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  • #100649
    Avatar photozn
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    I won’t be able to entirely shake that comment from my mind until I see Henderson do it.

    Fair enough.

    I can fully understand and appreciate how a diehard 49ers fan would be reluctant to admit the Rams picked a good offensive playmaker in this draft.

    I have no problem with that.

    #100650
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Another thing I’ve noticed about draft reports: They can be all over the map. I’ve forgotten their names, but I looked at some of the UDFAs online, and a few of them had comments ranging from “below average athleticism” to “freakishly athletic.”

    As in, the same guy was described in wildly different ways.

    I think that wide range is more frequent for the lesser known players. Another guess. The guys with the relatively consistent grades — Top 100, give or take — seem to provoke a more narrow subjective response.

    And complicating matters is the fact that there are a lot of people in the media who get their information the same way I do…from other people. From stuff they read, or think they remember reading, and sometimes that is blended in with their memory of part of a game they saw one Saturday, and so on. I mean…there is a LOT of amateur noise out there around the draft. On TV, on the radio, in print.

    So I look for institutions that I think are more reliable – like Ourlads and PFF – and look for the avid film watchers amongst us like Alyo.

    But I don’t really spend much effort on it because Fletcher and Littleton were UDFA, and Sean Gilbert was the 3rd overall pick. And so on. So I read some stuff, but I don’t roll up my sleeves and STUDY it because…fuck it.

    We are all watching and learning, and developing an early picture, but we don’t know what we really have until the regular season starts.

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    #100673
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    Well, I look forward to seeing Henderson. I think you can get a good feel for a RB pretty quickly. Its not like there’s a huge learning curve like with WR’s or DT’s etc.

    The thing that makes me smile is simply — McVay. After a decade of mediocre-to-average coaches, McVay is like…a Rainbow, with Unicorns sliding on it, with butterflies coming out their asses.

    I believe in McVay. I’m a true believer. So whether I’m skeptical about this or that draft pick or whether I think they are gonna have wildcard kinda year next year — I’m totally optimistic about McSnead over the long haul.

    I’m real curious about Clay Matthews and Weddle, btw. Picking up those two old-guys were inter esting personnel moves. George Allen moves. Will they be like Whitworth?

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    #100674
    Cal
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    Henderson is fast. He actually has a better 20 yard split than serious speed threats like Tavon, Philip Lindsay from last year’s draft, and, yes, Trung.

    He also is short so he’s not a sprinter, but that should help make him a better running back than Trung. Henderson is a good 20 pounds heavier than guys like Trung and Lindsay so Henderson does get yards after contact (at least in college) like Zn posted.

    NFL.com compares him to Tevin Coleman, but I wonder if a better comparison is Devonta Freeman. Freeman and Henderson are almost the same size: 5’8″ and 206-208 (Henderson is 2 pounds heavier). And Henderson is a little faster.

    Freeman put up back to back 1,000 yard seasons and almost averaged 5 ypc under Kyle Shanahan who runs a similar system to McVay I think.

    I say good job McSnead

    #100677
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    Henderson is fast. He actually has a better 20 yard split than serious speed threats like Tavon, Philip Lindsay from last year’s draft, and, yes, Trung.

    He also is short so he’s not a sprinter, but that should help make him a better running back than Trung. Henderson is a good 20 pounds heavier than guys like Trung and Lindsay so Henderson does get yards after contact (at least in college) like Zn posted.

    NFL.com compares him to Tevin Coleman, but I wonder if a better comparison is Devonta Freeman. Freeman and Henderson are almost the same size: 5’8″ and 206-208 (Henderson is 2 pounds heavier). And Henderson is a little faster.

    Freeman put up back to back 1,000 yard seasons and almost averaged 5 ypc under Kyle Shanahan who runs a similar system to McVay I think.

    I say good job McSnead

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    Faster at 20 yards than Tavon? Interesting. Course Tavon had ‘weird’ speed. He never seemed particularly fast going in a straight line. But he could zig-zag better than anyone on the field. He had those weird little bursts. I hope Henderson has better hands than Tavon and can learn some routes.

    I watched some of the vids on Henderson. He just didnt impress me. I didnt see ‘elusiveness’ or tackle-breaking talent. I just saw a shit-load of bad tackling. But I also know that I dont know how to evaluate players and McSnead know a lot more than me, etc.

    I’ll shut up now, and just watch him and root for him. I hope he turns out to be Joe Morris or somethin.

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    #100678
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I watched some of the vids on Henderson. He just didnt impress me. I didnt see ‘elusiveness’ or tackle-breaking talent. I just saw a shit-load of bad tackling. But I also know that I dont know how to evaluate players and McSnead know a lot more than me, etc.

    I’ll shut up now, and just watch him and root for him. I hope he turns out to be Joe Morris or somethin.

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    Yeah, me too. Bad tackling and good blocking. But I thought maybe the Good Stuff might have been 12-yarders that didn’t make the reel. Dunno.

    #100680
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    I didnt see ‘elusiveness’ or tackle-breaking talent. I just saw a shit-load of bad tackling.

    Well, no, he’s not quick-jittery elusive. And he doesn’t break tackles as much as set them up to be near misses and then run through them. It’s not just bad tackling. He sets up tacklers to NOT have direct hits, and has the strength (for his size) and balance and sheer competitive determination to play pinball off of them. That’s a real thing, meaning, that in itself is a skill that differs from both elusiveness and tackle breaking.

    That’s really who he is, and what he does. It happens over and over. It’s as regular as a clock. You don’t lead all of college football in yards after contact just because of bad tackling. All those presumably bad tacklers played other backs who did not do that to them…after all it was only DH who led the league in yards after contact. “Contact balance” is a real thing, it’s not just words. It names something, a real “have it or you don’t” skill that some backs have more than others. And btw this is a trait Gurley has too, though Gurley is built taller so the effect is different.

    #100682
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Those are a couple of fine looking runs.

    #100683
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i don’t know. he seems to be pretty quick. it’d be nice if there were some short shuttle and 3-cone times to go off.

    but my guess is they’d be pretty good numbers.

    #100684
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    i don’t know. he seems to be pretty quick. it’d be nice if there were some short shuttle and 3-cone times to go off.

    but my guess is they’d be pretty good numbers.

    Yeah. Short area quickness too.

    Combine numbers:

    #100687
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    well. those aren’t good numbers.

    sub 4.2 short shuttle and sub 6.9 3-cone would be ideal.

    hmmm… not a deal breaker. but it’s soured me a little on him.

    i still do like david long a lot. we’ll see.

    #100689
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    Agamemnon

    #100691
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    He is fast. But not as fast as Trung. The St. Louis Rams timed Canidate at 4.25 seconds in the 40-yard dash.

    Agamemnon

    #100694
    Avatar photozn
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    well. those aren’t good numbers.

    sub 4.2 short shuttle and sub 6.9 3-cone would be ideal.

    hmmm… not a deal breaker. but it’s soured me a little on him.

    i still do like david long a lot. we’ll see.

    You shouldn’t sour on him, you were right in the first place.

    I mean he’s not UNquick, right? He has enough quickness, and more than enough speed, and eerie contact balance, and just raw determination–all combined–to pinball off tackles and find space.

    I keep saying this, but a guy does not lead all of college football in yards after contact without having the raw basic skills you need to do that. You don’t luck into something like that.

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    #100704
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    You shouldn’t sour on him, you were right in the first place.

    just a little. there are running backs without the agility numbers who still succeed. kamara being a great example. kareem hunt is another.

    we’ll see. can’t wait to see him in preseason and then obviously the regular season.

    he’s got talent, and he’s in a system that’s supposed to fit his skill set. so i’m hopeful.

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    #100852
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    Any more ideas/thoughts/”informal votes”? etc?

    I think a lot is going on with this draft. I think it was a deep overall general draft and that means the Rams had a lot of things fall their way.

    #100864
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Any more ideas/thoughts/”informal votes”? etc?

    I think a lot is going on with this draft. I think it was a deep overall general draft and that means the Rams had a lot of things fall their way.

    “a lot of things fell their way.”

    I think in every draft, we see the Rams nab somebody who should have gone higher, but….

    Looks like – this time – 4 or 5 guys fall into that category. That’s a lot of bargains. Long term, that’s just good for team depth, and could turn out to be a lot more profitable than that.

    #100873
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    Any more ideas/thoughts/”informal votes”? etc?

    I think a lot is going on with this draft. I think it was a deep overall general draft and that means the Rams had a lot of things fall their way.

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    Well, if it was a deep draft that also means other teams got good players. So, I dont know why you want other teams to get good players. Sounds like you hate the rams, to me.

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    #100894
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    Well, if it was a deep draft that also means other teams got good players. So, I dont know why you want other teams to get good players. Sounds like you hate the rams, to me.

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    Well, I;m sure it’s certainly possible that some of those non-Rams teams, while stumbling around blindly in the draft, lucked into a player or 2. Happens.

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