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  • #146881
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    In a different thread, we were discussing Jackson and other Rams RBs, and BT wrote the following, which led to me thinking about ranking the top great backs in Rams history (since I began following them…I only ran the backs I have seen).

    Here’s BT’s post:

    Seems logical that taller backs are especially prone to contact balance issues, especially if they don’t run lower, lean in, etc. Physics would seem to favor shorter backs when it comes to that . . . Rams generally show a preference for shorter backs, in the 5’8″ range. But Gurley was kind of in the “sweet spot” for them. A tad over 6′, 220, with legit track-speed. Until he got all banged up, I remember his “contact balance” being pretty damn good. He wasn’t as powerful as Jackson, but he was faster, and less likely to be tripped up.

    Here’s what it led me to think about:

    Here’s how I rank the Rams great all-time backs, counting only the ones I really saw.

    Faulk. Not just astonishing elusiveness, but great football intelligence. He not only had talent, he made himself into an every down back. He’s well known as a receiving back but it’s more than that. For example, after Green got hurt by a defender who beat a pass block by Faulk, Marshall took it to heart, woke up and dedicated himself to pass blocking, which above all included studying film to the point where he could read defenses before and after the snap and react as an effective pass blocker to what they were doing.  Became pretty much a coach on the field in terms of his understanding of what defenses were showing pre- and post-snap. He reached the point where he would come off the field and go straight to Martz to tell him about the things defenses were doing–which means he’s the one back on this list whose verbal input had a direct influence on the play calling strategies during games.

    Dickerson. Don’t have to describe him, we know what he looked like on the field. Just a magnificent stallion at RB. And when he wanted to he could lower his shoulder and bang defenders out of the way. He did it in one key game against SF where the Rams needed the 1st down to seal a win–Ronnie Lott was hunkered down waiting for him, and ED just lowered his shoulders and plowed right over him.

    Jackson. We know he was a great back physically but he was also a warrior who proudly fought for every yard on very bad teams. He developed a recuperation technique for himself involving ice water baths during the week so that he was ready to bang away for yards every single game (when he wasn’t injured). He played hurt, and never wavered. Rams would talk about how defenders would try to go after and exacerbate his injuries when he was on the ground, and he would say nothing and get back up and go after it again. Often when they won in the lean years it was solely and simply cause of him. One great sight every longterm Rams fan knows is the look of him breaking for longer yards and looking like an unstoppable freight train. Many a defender in the secondary made business decisions when they saw that coming. All this with OLs than were often completely broken, and so nothing like the great lines Dickerson had and the good lines Faulk had.

    Gurley. Supreme combination of speed and just enough size, and not Faulk level elusiveness but a surprising degree of it for a guy his size. I don’t rate him higher because he just didn’t have the kind of will and smarts and “want it bad” qualities we saw in Faulk and Jackson. Those 2 had talent and then willed themselves to be more. Gurley never quite had that instinct. Plus of course when his arthritic knee started to go south on him, he ended up being a diminished version of himself.

    McCutcheon. Tough, smart, good vision, a competitor, proud, reliable as hell. Saw lanes and made brilliant moves in traffic–not Faulk when it comes to that, but in spite of being slower than Faulk he’s the next best Rams RB behind Marshall when it came to shifting through traffic. Great contact balance. Not a power back but had the art of bouncing off of tackles and the ability to slide off of hits so the defender was never quite “on target.” His knee injury was a sad thing.

    Tyler. Shifty, also tough, good vision. Unique style–kind of a wobbly rag doll whose center of balance wasn’t always clear to the onlooker’s eye. He wasn’t a very big back but tended to run under his pads, shoulders dipping all over the place, and rarely ran upright. Good initial burst. Excellent receiver. Both McCutcheon and Tyler took great advantage of the all-star OLs that used to be the Rams absolute trademark.

    Bettis. We all know that Bettis was one of the league’s great power backs of all time. He just didn’t get as much time with the Rams as we fans deserved.

     

    #146886
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    Cant quibble with any of that.   Though If i were to quibble, I’m not sure I’d have W.Tyler that high on the list.    But I’m older than BT, and i saw John Cappelletti, and he brought great blocking and instincts and leadership.

    Plus, I saw the indomitable Les Josephson.

     

    https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/los-angeles-rams/leaders/career-rushing-yards

     

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    #146889
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    Cant quibble with any of that. Though If i were to quibble, I’m not sure I’d have W.Tyler that high on the list.

    You’re only lukewarm about Tyler because of your inexplicably irrational prejudice about fumbles.

    “All great backs fumble.” Wendell Tyler, sometime in the late 7os.

    Cappelletti was indeed everything you say he was.

    #146912
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    Cant quibble with any of that. Though If i were to quibble, I’m not sure I’d have W.Tyler that high on the list. But I’m older than BT, and i saw John Cappelletti, and he brought great blocking and instincts and leadership. Plus, I saw the indomitable Les Josephson.

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    WV, I might be wrong, but I think you may be mixing my comment in with ZN’s list, which is a good one. That quote from moi ended with “He wasn’t as powerful as Jackson, but he was faster, and less likely to be tripped up.” That was about Gurley. ZN takes it from there . . .

    Anyway . . .

    I became a Rams’ fan, starting with the 1966/67 season. Went full diehard that next year, 1967/68. My earliest memories of Ram backs include Dick Bass, Josephson, Willie Ellison, Larry Smith, and Cappelletti too. Bass was a bit past his prime by then, but he was still good. Josephson was a favorite of mine as well, but he got banged up too soon to make his mark long-term. Same thing happened to Ellison and Smith. Ellison had rare speed for a back in those days, decent size, and I remember choosing him for Stratomatic Football. He helped me win more than a few games against family.

    :>)

    Also, if memory serves, we’re about the same age, but not sure about that, either.

    #146913
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    Also, if we can go beyond the Rams for the best running backs we’ve ever seen . . .  Gale Sayers was the first back that just stunned me as a fan of the game, and made me want to be a running back “when I grow up.” Good size for his day, legit track speed, and impossible zig-zag moves that just defied the laws of physics. He didn’t just break ankles. He broke team spirits. I liked Leroy Kelly, too, though I wish I could have seen his predecessor with the Browns, Jim Brown. Missed him by a year or so. A bit later, there was John Riggins. Grew up in the DC area and he was a lot of fun to watch on and off the field. Quite the character in those days.

    Anyway, back to the Rams: I think I have to put Dickerson at the top of the heap. Faulk next. Then Bettis, Jackson, Gurley, and McCutcheon. A healthy Gurley, however, rises to #2 for me. But he wasn’t healthy long enough. Honorable mention goes to Elvis Peacock, Cullen Bryant, and Madison Hedgehog. Cuz, well, names matter.

    #146915
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    of the ones you listed i only saw faulk, jackson, gurley, and bettis.

     

    i think gurley had the intangibles that you say he lacked. i really just think it comes down to longevity for him. that knee just wouldn’t hold up. if it did hold up, i think he had a slight chance to challenge faulk for number one – although admittedly an extremely long shot. for one reason. he would most likely have played all his core years with the rams. i downgrade faulk slightly only because he started his career with the colts. even with that slight downgrade it would have taken a herculean effort from gurley to catch him. he would have had to have at least three more hof worthy seasons. meaning 1800+ yards from scrimmage, 15+ tds and two more offensive player of the year awards or an mvp. and also a superbowl.

     

    of course i didn’t see dickerson play so i don’t include him on my list.

    #146916
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Also, if we can go beyond the Rams for the best running backs we’ve ever seen

     

    barry sanders was the guy i grew up watching thinking he was the best i had ever seen.

    #146917
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    #146920
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    1a Dickerson

    1b Faulk

    3 Jackson

    4 Gurley

    5 McCutcheon

    6 Bettis

    7 Tyler

    8 Bryant

    9 Gary

    10 Cappelletti

    Best non-Rams

    Sanders

    Peterson

    #146922
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    Also, if we can go beyond the Rams for the best running backs we’ve ever seen . . . Gale Sayers was the first back that just stunned me as a fan of the game, and made me want to be a running back “when I grow up.”.

     

    Well…..I loved Brian Piccolo.   And i wish you would love him too.

     

    #146923
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    1a Dickerson 1b Faulk 3 Jackson

     

    Faulk was OBVIOUSLY 1A and Dickerson was OBVIOUSLY 1B.

    You are obviously a Heretic.

     

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    #146928
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    , I’m not sure I’d have W.Tyler that high on the list.

    Sry, of necessity this includes some plays as a 9er.

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    #146925
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    Also, if we can go beyond the Rams for the best running backs we’ve ever seen . . . Gale Sayers was the first back that just stunned me as a fan of the game, and made me want to be a running back “when I grow up.”.

    Well…..I loved Brian Piccolo. And i wish you would love him too.

    ____

    Good pic of Pardee and Piccolo. But I don’t like the title. I don’t think “Watermark” captures the essence of the struggle for dominance . . . .

    ;>)

    Off the top of my head, without checking online, the first trio of Rams linebackers I remember seeing: Maxie Baughan, Jack Pardee, and Myron Pottios (no spellcheck yet, either). That was a strong group, but it was the Fearsome Foursome that drew me to the Rams.

    Much later in life, I got a call for tech support from Eddie Meador, one of the originals for me at DB. Also spoke with the inspiration for Good Morning, Vietnam! Adrian Cronauer. He was pretty cool. Very self-deprecating. As far as I know, he never played for the Rams.

     

     

    #146935
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    Also, if we can go beyond the Rams for the best running backs we’ve ever seen . . .

    I tend not to watch other backs. I don’t know what it is, but, if a great back is a Ram I pay attention, but if there’s other great backs in the league I don’t go out of my way to watch them. I mostly see them if they play the Rams. Like Marshawn Lynch, that’s how I would see guys like him. I mostly got to know other great backs by watching NFL.com’s “A Football Life.” So that’s Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, James Brown, Terrell Davis, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell, Gale Sayers. There’s some guys I won’t watch on “A Football Life” either and only ever saw at all if they played the Rams, guys like LaDainian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson. I never really saw Czonka or Jim Taylor etc. NFL backs kind of bore me, Rams backs interest me.

    The occassional back that wasn’t on anyone’s “all time great” list would catch my eye sometimes. For example, when Michael Turner was with the Falcons, I really liked his style. And Fred Taylor is another one that comes to mind. Mostly though–and this is very sacrilegious I know–great backs bore me. It’s mostly as I said just Rams backs that always interested me. That’s part of the “Wendell Tyler” controversy. Tyler was a very dynamic back with the Rams. But he’s not a league-wide caliber “great back of all time.” So I actually saw much more of Tyler than I ever did Walter Payton or Barry Sanders, though I obviously recognie the brilliance of guys like Sanders…but that’s mostly seen through “A Football Life,” as I said.

    Part of that is because basically, I never really watched “the NFL” on home tv. For years I would rely on sports bars and would just go position myself to see the Rams games. Rarely would I have a game on that wasn’t the Rams if it were my own tv…it’s like, no the NFL is for sports bars, tv is for watching “Cheers” or “Absolutely Fabulous” or for watching old movies a thousand times over the years. (I never watch tv news, ever, local or cable–nothin.) It’s funny, to some people Sunday Ticket seems expensive, but years of going to sports bars probably cost more per season than Sunday Ticket does (oh and I don’t drink alcohol, so that wasn’t the expense, it was ordering appetizers and meals that cost. To occupy a table in a sports bar you have to think about the wait staff and can’t just take up space, you have to order things for 3 hours and tip well. Tip well to the point where you’re known as a great tipper the minute you walk in the door, and they know you’re not just this cheap loud rude beer guzzling a-hole Patz fan or something).

    #146937
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    Interesting take, ZN. And thanks for rescuing my post from purgatory. The software doesn’t seem to like replies using the quote button, if the original includes pics or links.

    Anyway, you’re right about costs of seeing games at Sports Bars. I tip well too, having worked too many years as bartender and waiter back in the day, plus a stint as a bouncer in my youth centuries ago. I can’t help myself. I likely over-tip. So, yeah, it’s gonna cost 20-30 bucks or more, even going for “cheap eats.” But I almost always got Sunday Ticket for free, so that trade off didn’t really apply. I may return to it next year. We’ll see.

    As far as paying attention to running backs on other teams: That habit started early for me. I don’t know why it all came together in 4th grade, but I chose my favorite sports teams that year: Rams, Lakers, SF Giants, and stuck with them. For colleges, I initially rooted for Notre Dame, but switched to my first Alma Mater, Maryland, when college loomed larger for me. But early on, I wanted to be a running back, so I watched all the best, focusing especially on their ability to juke and outrun the opposition. As a kid, I never saw myself as one day being big enough to run through them, so speed and agility and following blockers were focal points.

    When it comes to following blockers, I think Edgerrin James tops the list. Though greats like Faulk and Sanders were excellent at that, too. But I think their main talents extended beyond their blockers, as maestros of the open field. James wasn’t as good there, but he did have speed to go the distance once he found that crease.

    I would love to see the Rams find another great back or two. In my old age, my preference is for a Mr. Inside/Outside combo. A Bettis/Czonka/Riggins/Okoye paired with a Sanders/Faulk/Sayers/X scatback, etc.

    As already discussed, sometimes you get both in the same guy. Jim Brown, Dickerson, Gurley, Bo and Steven Jackson (sans those ankle tackles). But that’s exceedingly rare. So I’m kewl with two.

    #146939
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    Well…..I loved Brian Piccolo. And i wish you would love him too.

     

    I love Piccolo too.

     

    It was horrible watching him get gunned down in his car by a competing Mafia family…

    #146941
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    I love Piccolo too.   It was horrible watching him get gunned down in his car by a competing Mafia family

    But in the end he took the ring to the volcano, where it was destroyed.

    #146940
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    Well…..I loved Brian Piccolo. And i wish you would love him too.

    I love Piccolo too. It was horrible watching him get gunned down in his car by a competing Mafia family…

    That was almost as tough as watching him recite Poe(try).

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