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January 23, 2025 at 2:14 pm #154921
znModerator@speed_kills@speedk1lls
When is the last time the Rams had a RB rush for 1000 two seasons in a row? And score over 30 tds in the process. Again why are some just focusing on his lack of breakaway speed when it’s clear he brings a lot super positives to the tableHe has good vision and feet. Listen to the announcers when they talk about him. We haven’t had a back as productive since Gurley 2018. He doesn’t have great speed. Ok, but he does all the other stuff really well
January 25, 2025 at 12:28 am #154936
ZooeyModeratorHe has good vision and feet. Listen to the announcers when they talk about him. We haven’t had a back as productive since Gurley 2018. He doesn’t have great speed. Ok, but he does all the other stuff really well
This is right. I was only a kid when I watched McCutcheon, but that would be my comp for Williams. He is not as good as Dickerson, Bettis, Faulk, Jackson, or Gurley. The first 3 are in the HOF, Jackson probably ought to be, and Gurley would have been there, too, if not for the brevity of his career. Those guys were tier one guys. Williams is Tier II. That’s pretty good, and I’m not going to complain until he drops a tier.
They’re talking extension. I wouldn’t give him more than 3 meaningful years, but he’s worth that, I think.
January 25, 2025 at 9:14 am #154938
wvParticipantHe fumbles.
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vJanuary 25, 2025 at 9:54 am #154939
canadaramParticipantI love Williams in the redzone. I would love if the Rams found another RB who they could rely on between the 20’s to shoulder more of the running game and then let Kyren find the endzone inside the 20. I guess it wouldn’t be fun to be that RB who does the work getting the team into scoring position and then never seeing the endzone though. I also know being a successful RB often involves being involved in a game and finding a rhythm within a balanced game, so I have no illusions about that happening though. Kyren’s fumbling really bothers me though. I was pretty young when Wendell Tyler played, but sometimes I have Wendell Tyler flashbacks with Kyren. Probably not fair because I’m pretty sure that Wendell fumbled at a much higher rate than Kyren.
January 25, 2025 at 12:20 pm #154940
nittany ramModerator@speed_kills@speedk1lls
When is the last time the Rams had a RB rush for 1000 two seasons in a row? And score over 30 tds in the process. Again why are some just focusing on his lack of breakaway speed when it’s clear he brings a lot super positives to the tableHe has good vision and feet. Listen to the announcers when they talk about him. We haven’t had a back as productive since Gurley 2018. He doesn’t have great speed. Ok, but he does all the other stuff really well
If KW had another gear he’d be Gurley-level elite. As it is, he’s just a really good RB. I can live with that.
January 25, 2025 at 1:16 pm #154952znModerator@speed_kills@speedk1lls
When is the last time the Rams had a RB rush for 1000 two seasons in a row? And score over 30 tds in the process. Again why are some just focusing on his lack of breakaway speed when it’s clear he brings a lot super positives to the tableHe has good vision and feet. Listen to the announcers when they talk about him. We haven’t had a back as productive since Gurley 2018. He doesn’t have great speed. Ok, but he does all the other stuff really well
If KW had another gear he’d be Gurley-level elite. As it is, he’s just a really good RB. I can live with that.
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just trying to point out is that while Kyren is not Gibbs or Barkley. He’s more of a chain mover and one of the best of them. The Rams need more explosive players yes. At RB and WR. To help this offense create and not be ball control. All of that is true.January 25, 2025 at 1:42 pm #154954znModeratorKyren Williams Draft and Combine Prospect Profile
from https://www.nfl.com/prospects/kyren-williams/32005749-4c41-5359-809b-caeaa1db84d0
Overview
Fiery team leader and combative runner who leaves it all out on the field. Williams has been a worker bee with a willingness to do the heavy lifting on all three downs and has premium third-down talent both in blitz pickup and as a route-runner out of the backfield. The Patriots’ usage of James White, Dion Lewis and Brandon Bolden might be the blueprint for how to utilize Williams in the NFL.
Strengths
Team captain.
Ready and willing to carry any workload asked.
Loose with wide, lateral slides to elude penetration.
Finds ways to wiggle out of trouble in tight quarters.
Runs with consistent pace.
Talented, well-rounded third-down option.
Experienced lining up and running routes from the slot.
Shifty to separate on option routes.
Rare understanding of protection schemes.
Scans for trouble and steps into the ring with grit and technique.Weaknesses
More quick than explosive.
Below-average burst as an outside runner.
More active than creative up to second level.
Unable to find sudden acceleration from his cuts.
Plenty tough but bounced around like a smaller back.
Lacks power to break tackles and move chains consistently.
Too many fumbles.
Average elusiveness in space after the catch.January 25, 2025 at 6:09 pm #154959wvParticipantI dunno. You start playing those good defenses during a playoff run, and you simply cannot fumble the ball. I dont trust KW. I think over a long season he can help you get to the playoffs, but once yer there, I think he can help you lose in the playoffs.
I mean, its not black and white, but fumbling, to me, is a HUGE problem. That fumble in the Eagle game should not have happened.
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vJanuary 26, 2025 at 10:50 pm #154968znModeratorfumbling, to me, is a HUGE problem. That fumble in the Eagle game should not have happened.
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July 10, 2025 at 2:30 am #157016znModeratorfrom Which backs are the most reliable TD scorers? — https://www.espn.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/45648073/2025-fantasy-football-rb-rankings-nfl-touchdowns-reliable-scorers
2. Kyren Williams, Los Angeles Rams: Williams lacks the sudden movement traits of an elite zone scheme runner, but with his vision and contact balance, he can find the end zone at a high rate. Williams has enough lower body wiggle to sift through traffic, and his ability to bounce off defenders leads to touchdown production. Williams is a consistent and reliable fantasy starter. — Bowen
Only three running backs had more than Williams’ 21 touchdowns in goal-to-go situations the past three seasons, and he converted 40% of those tries into scores, a testament to his dominant nature when in scoring position. — Cockcroft
July 10, 2025 at 2:31 am #157017znModeratorfrom PFF, 2025 fantasy football running back rankings: https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-football-running-back-rankings-2025?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhtwitter&utm_content=null
11. Kyren Williams, Los Angeles Rams
Williams was among the league leaders in carries each of the last two seasons, finishing with 19-20 carries per game that made him one of the most dependable fantasy running backs. His efficiency declined in 2024, producing 4.3 fewer fantasy points per game. Sean McVay has a unique history of sticking with a clear lead runner, regardless of who that lead runner is. That worked to William’s advantage last season because it meant Blake Corum barely played on offense. However, there is no guarantee Williams remains the starter for all of 2025, with both Corum and Jarquez Hunter waiting in the wings.
July 10, 2025 at 2:32 am #157021znModeratorfrom Maurice Jones-Drew, Ranking all 32 RB1s heading into 2025 NFL season: https://www.nfl.com/news/ranking-all-32-rb1s-heading-into-2025-nfl-season-omarion-hampton-above-fellow-rookie-ashton-jeanty
Rank 6
Kyren Williams“With Matthew Stafford headlining Sean McVay’s offensive attack, Williams often flies under the radar despite putting up back-to-back seasons with more than 1,100 rushing yards and at least a dozen rushing TDs,” Jones-Drew wrote. “He’s heading into a contract season, which should motivate him to be as good — if not better — in 2025 than he was in 2024. The Rams’ continued investment in their offensive line helps his cause.”
July 10, 2025 at 2:33 am #157023znModeratorWhile the #Rams are interested in keeping RB Kyren Williams around, the team is balking at giving him a top-of-market deal:https://t.co/3G5BdDs7h7
— Pro Football Rumors (@pfrumors) July 10, 2025
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from link above
As Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic writes (subscription required), the Rams will not reset the market on a running back contract. Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey and Derrick Henry are attached to deals averaging $15MM or more entering 2025. Reaching that price point should not be necessary to keep Williams in place beyond the coming season – something the 24-year-old anticipates – but a notable raise will nevertheless be in store.
Both sides have expressed optimism that an agreement will be reached at some point this offseason. McVay said in May that progress had been made since extension talks began, and Wyatt Miller of the team’s website notes Williams was a full participant during spring practices. That is an encouraging sign team and player will manage to avoid a 2026 free agent departure. It would come as little surprise if a deal were to be struck during or just before training camp, which begins later this month.
July 10, 2025 at 2:38 am #157024znModeratorJuly 10, 2025 at 2:40 am #157025znModeratorTop 20 NFL Running Backs: NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
They do Wms at about 15:47 in.
July 10, 2025 at 3:25 am #157026znModeratorI’ve said this before plenty of times, but I like repeating it. 😎 Kyren’s superpowers are all evident in the backfield before he hits the LOS. Past the LOS he has great contact balance, is a fierce and determined runner, but is not particularly quick or fast or powerful or elusive. He’s not bad past the LOS, just a bit above average. On the other hand, behind the LOS he is a great RB–he knows how to set up LBs, has a nice quick initial burst, has great vision, reads his blocks and is very good at using his blockers, has great anticipation, and is pretty much always hitting the exact right spot at exactly the right millisecond.
He keeps you in play. He moves the chains. It’s not just that he does that, he’s superior at it.
To drive this point home. He may just be above average past the LOS, but he is superior behind the LOS ie. running toward the LOS. Just find any series where they run him a lot, watch him, and this becomes very visible. Beyond the LOS he’s good, but while he is obviously not Faulk, or Gurley, or Dickerson, or Bettis past the LOS, behind the LOS, from the point of the hand off to hitting his lane at the LOS, he is their equal if not in some subtle ways even better.
Which is why he was 3rd in the league in 2024 in rushing yards before contact.
Also, in 2024 he was 7th in the league in yards after contact per attempt. 3rd in broken tackles. 2nd in 10+ yard runs.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-rb.phpTo quote PFF (which repeats 1 stat I just gave), KW ranks
in the top five on a per-game basis in rushing yards (87.3), yards after contact (57.9), rushing touchdowns (0.93), rushing avoided tackles (3.8) and PPR fantasy points (18.8).
The issue with KW is fumbles. If he can fix that (and he indicated he’s working on it) then he is a very valuable back.
July 10, 2025 at 8:58 am #157027znModeratorRunning back Kyren Williams is the first Los Angeles Rams player to crack NFL.com’s top-100 players list ahead of the 2025 season.
A year after he capitulated from outside the list to No. 77, Williams dropped to No. 85 in this year’s rankings despite putting together a better overall season. Williams finished the 2024 season with 1,299 rushing yards and 14 touchdowns.
People keep on doubting Williams, and he just keeps on chugging. Thought to be headed toward a possible committee role after Los Angeles spent a third-round pick on Blake Corum, Williams promptly logged 88 more carries than he did the season prior, accounting for 70.2% of the Rams’ rushing attempts. A hard-nosed runner who plays bigger than his size and possesses the shiftiness to leave defenders empty-handed, Williams is already “Old Reliable” for Sean McVay heading into Year 4.
Williams played 843 offensive snaps in 2024, the most by any running back in the NFL. Since 2023, Williams has played on more than 80% of offensive snaps in 20 games, five more than the next closest RB (Saquon Barkley, 15).
July 22, 2025 at 2:10 pm #157145znModeratorSean McVay says team will meet with agent Drew Rosenhaus tomorrow, FWIW. Praises how Williams has handled this process. https://t.co/CCbWiXhO3H
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) July 22, 2025
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Sarah Barshop@sarahbarshop
I asked Kyren Williams if he anticipates getting a deal done with the Rams. Williams is entering the final season of his rookie contract.“Yeah,” Williams said. “I want to play for the Rams. That’s who I want to be with. That’s who I want to stay with. I know it will work out.”
Williams said he doesn’t have a timeline for getting it done. Williams said he will practice during training camp and will be ready for Week 1, even if he has not signed that extension.
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