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  • #113485
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    #113488
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/texans-brandin-cooks-moving-on-to-houston/
    The Rams traded Cooks to the Texans on Thursday, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

    In exchange for their 2020 second-round pick (57th overall), Houston will get a 2022 fourth-rounder in addition to Cooks, who has been dealt by each of the previous three employers in his career. In two seasons with the Rams, he totaled 122 catches (on 189 targets) for 1,787 yards and seven touchdowns, including a fourth consecutive 1,000-yard campaign in 2018. He didn’t reach that threshold last year, though, due to suffering the fifth known concussion as a pro. Cooks will look to bounce back working with Deshaun Watson and in a receiving corps with question marks after Will Fuller (sports hernia) and Randall Cobb.

    C’mon down Josh Reynolds.

    Agamemnon

    #113489
    JackPMiller
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    I hate to see our salary cap. Probably not real good right now.

    #113490
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i’m actually ok with this. rams need linebackers and olinemen. even an rb.

    i’m not so comfortable with allen at center. i’d like them to draft one this year. i’d like them to draft a left tackle for the future as well. and some linebackers.

    i think with higbee emerging cooks was a luxury. hopefully, reynolds can be the deep threat. kupp, woods, and higbee should be enough with the other receivers complementing them. i think even a guy like edwards-helaire in the second round could add another receiving threat.

    i’m excited.

    #113492
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    i’m actually ok with this. rams need linebackers and olinemen. even an rb.

    i’m not so comfortable with allen at center. i’d like them to draft one this year. i’d like them to draft a left tackle for the future as well. and some linebackers.

    i think with higbee emerging cooks was a luxury. hopefully, reynolds can be the deep threat. kupp, woods, and higbee should be enough with the other receivers complementing them. i think even a guy like edwards-helaire in the second round could add another receiving threat.

    i’m excited.

    Yeah, supposedly the first three rounds of this draft are polluted with WR talent.

    #113494
    JackPMiller
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    I hate to see our salary cap. Probably not real good right now.

    Just saw we are $5.4M over the cap.

    Also, do not draft any skill positions. I’m OK with getting them as UDFA’s.

    #113495
    JackPMiller
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    I meant I don’t want us to draft any offensive skill positions like WR, RB, TE, or QB. Unless we sign those positions as UDFAs. Sorry for the confusion.

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    #113498
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    #113499
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    #113500
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    Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
    The incoming class of WRs is historically deep – and so trading Cooks makes some sense.

    Now, the Rams can (and should) capitalize on it in Round 2

    #113502
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    LindseyThiry@LindseyThiry
    Dead money charge is $21.8 million because of a $4 million roster bonus that became due on third day of league year.

    ==

    Rams updated draft picks

    Round 2, No. 52
    Round 2, No. 57
    Round 3, No. 84
    Round 3, No. 104 (compensatory)
    Round 4, No. 126
    Round 6, No. 199
    Round 7, No. 234

    #113503
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Yeah, supposedly the first three rounds of this draft are polluted with WR talent.

    Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
    The incoming class of WRs is historically deep – and so trading Cooks makes some sense.

    Now, the Rams can (and should) capitalize on it in Round 2

    well, i had no idea.

    #113505
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    Brandin Cooks trade grades: Another disaster for the Texans, and an admission of failure for the Rams

    Bill Barnwell

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29018504/brandin-cooks-trade-grades-another-disaster-texans-admission-failure-rams

    In the latest battle of Bill O’Brien versus any conceivable or feasible notion of draft pick value, the Texans fired off one of their last remaining selections to not solve their self-created problem, trading for wide receiver Brandin Cooks. Even if Cooks returns to his prior form, the Texans seem to operate in a vacuum in which there is no concept of what the other 31 teams are doing or thinking. This trade is an admission of failure from the Rams. It’s a flailing response to failure for the Texans.

    It’s easy to understand why the Rams made this move, although it’s the end to yet another disastrous contract extension for general manager Les Snead. In the summer of 2018, I cautioned that the contract extensions handed to Cooks and Todd Gurley were poorly-structured. Less than two years later, neither player is on the roster.

    Rams trade Brandin Cooks to Texans for second-round pick
    Los Angeles Rams get: 2020 second-round pick (No. 57)
    Houston Texans get: WR Brandin Cooks, 2022 fourth-round pick

    Rams grade: B
    Texans grade: D+

    Cooks was under contract in 2018 for $8.5 million and could have been franchised in 2019 for $16.8 million, meaning the Rams could have theoretically gone year-to-year and paid him $25.3 million for his first two seasons in Los Angeles. Instead, his new contract paid him $42 million over its first two years. By waiting until after March 15 to trade Cooks, the Rams also triggered a $4 million roster bonus for him, which they’ll owe him on the way out. Los Angeles will have $21.8 million in dead money on their cap for Cooks in 2020 and more than $33 million in dead money between the failed deals for Cooks and Gurley.

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    #113508
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    #113510
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    TEXANS PERSPECTIVE

    Sheil Kapadia@SheilKapadia
    Texans trade 2nd-round pick for WR who totaled 583 receiving yards last year, is due $8M in 2019 and has a frightening concussion history.

    Aaron Wilson@AaronWilson_NFL
    Texans executive vice president of football operations Jack Easterby has an extremely close relationship with Brandin Cooks and that was a major intangible factor in the trade with Easterby vouching for him, according to league sources.

    Texans wanted a speedy wide receiver corps. Now, they have Brandin Cooks (4.33), Will Fuller (4.28) and Kenny Stills (4.38). Whether that will add up to equivalent production of DeAndre Hopkins is debatable, though

    NEUTRAL PERSPECTIVE

    Spotrac@spotrac
    Top Single Season Dead Cap Hits (all-time)

    1. Brandin Cooks, LAR, $21.8M
    2. Antonio Brown, PIT, $21.2M
    3. JaMarcus Russell, OAK, $18.9M
    4. Nick Foles, JAC, $18.75M
    5. Ryan Tannehill, MIA, $18.4M
    Andrew Luck, IND, $18.4M

    Peter King@peter_king
    Assuming the NFL plays in September, Cooks will have caught passes before turning 27 from:
    Brees
    Brady
    Goff
    Watson

    3 QBs who have played in Super Bowls and a fourth who has a good chance to one day.

    @brandincooks is 26 years old. NFL teams have used the 20th, 32nd, 23rd and 57th picks in the draft to acquire him. First-, first-, first- and second-round picks spent to acquire one player in four distinct transactions. Cooks’ is one of the strangest careers in recent history.

    Albert Breer@AlbertBreer
    Retooled skill position group around Rams QB Jared Goff: Cooper Kupp, Robert Woods, Josh Reynolds, Tyler Higbee, Gerald Everett, Malcolm Brown, Darrell Henderson.

    Pretty different than it has been.

    RAMS PERSPECTIVE

    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    The Rams will have to retain a $21.8 million cap hit in 2020 for Brandin Cooks, per a source.

    the goal is to mitigate the number of those “something isn’t working” situations to begin with. That’s never going to be totally possible, but limiting them is the goal.

    In cutting Gurley and Cooks, the Rams absorb a massive combined salary-cap hit in 2020 (it could be as much as $33.5 million) but free up space in 2021 (approximately $20 million) for an offseason in which they will need to re-sign or replace players such as Kupp, Jalen Ramsey and John Johnson.

    The Rams’ trade of Brandin Cooks makes sense in the micro. They’re changing their offense and need long-term cap flexibility.

    In the macro, though, it raises serious questions about what has been going on in the front office.

    Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
    According to Over The Cap, the Rams have $58.4M in cap space next year – depending on what the salary cap is set at

    #113513
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    What Brandin Cooks brings to the Houston Texans

    #113514
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    Texans acquire WR Brandin Cooks and 2022 4th-round pick from Rams for 2nd-round pick

    https://walterfootball.com/nfltrades.php

    The pick the Texans dealt for Brandin Cooks is not the one they acquired for DeAndre Hopkins; it’s the 57th-overall choice; not the 40th, which means it’s theirs. This means that the Texans ended up trading Hopkins and 17 spots in the second round for Brandin Cooks and David Johnson.

    This trade would’ve made sense a couple of years ago when Cooks was seen as a very promising, young receiver, and Johnson didn’t need a walker. However, Johnson is an injury waiting to happen, while Cooks has been a huge disappointment for his recent teams. He’s been a problem in the locker room, and he has also greatly underperformed lately. He caught just 42 passes for 583 yards and two touchdowns in 14 games last year, as he was phased out of the offense late in the season. Even worse, Cooks has a dubious history of concussions, so one or two more could cause him to miss an extensive period of time.

    Bill O’Brien is the dumbest man in the NFL, so it’s only natural that he’d squeeze out one more bad trade prior to the draft. This isn’t as bad as the Hopkins deal, but it’s still terrible. If anyone in Houston is listening, please contact owner Cal McNair and send him this link so he can learn the harm O’Brien is causing to his franchise. I think McNair is spending too much time combing his mustache to pay attention to what’s happening with his franchise, so he needs to be made aware of how awful O’Brien is.

    Meanwhile, the Rams obviously won this trade. Cooks no longer had much of a role on offense, so getting a second-round choice for him is a steal, especially when considering how bad his contract is.

    Grade for Texans – D-
    Grade for Rams – A+

    #113520
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Just like Gurley, they both seemed like they had stuff that hurt their performance, knee, concussion. Cooks and Gurley did not seem like the top notch players they had been.

    Agamemnon

    #113528
    Hram
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    Freeing up cap space for 2021 by moving players that right now they believe they don’t want long term. Makes sense to me.

    Surprised the got a 2nd for Cooks even with giving the 4th back next year.

    #113530
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    Sporting News’ Austin Anderson: B-
    The Rams do benefit by now having four picks in the first three rounds of the 2020 draft; there, they can add young players on affordable four-year contracts. In addition, the team still has two good receivers in Robert Woods and Cooper Kupp, who is going into the last year of his rookie deal. Josh Reynolds stepped in well when Cooks and others went down with injuries last year; he’ll be a solid replacement as the third receiver.

    #113540
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    Well, they built a team that went to the Super Bowl. It kinda seemed like they were throwing everything they had at that little window.

    I really have no problem with the decisions they made, then or now.

    But I’d say the reality is they are no longer a championship-level team.
    They seem like a middle-of-the-pack Wildcard level team to me.

    I can live with that for another year.

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    #113544
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    #113545
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ross-tucker-football-podcast/id638447093?mt=2

    this is a list of a whole bunch of Tucker and/or Cosell Podcasts.

    Agamemnon

    #113555
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    my question is does mcvay want to continue with the 3 wr sets he had been using. or does he want to go to more 2 tight end sets like he had done with washington? reynolds i think could step up and at least partially fill the cooks role.

    or with this being a strong wr class, maybe he figures get a top wr if he’s available and build the offense around the talent you have?

    #113569
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    Well, they built a team that went to the Super Bowl. It kinda seemed like they were throwing everything they had at that little window.

    I really have no problem with the decisions they made, then or now.

    But I’d say the reality is they are no longer a championship-level team.
    They seem like a middle-of-the-pack Wildcard level team to me.

    I can live with that for another year.

    w
    v

    My thoughts exactly.

    #113572
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I am not sure the big contracts did in Cooks and Gurley. I am sure the concussions and bad knee did. You just can’t make mistakes on big contracts. I would say keep them short.

    Agamemnon

    #113573
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Amateur GM time:

    It’s a given they know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than I do. But from the outside looking in? It looks like the Rams FO made numerous mistakes, and they’re paying for them right now. They’ve snowballed, etc. and the team has been radically degraded. They’re in Cap Hell and lack draft pick capital as well. Five years with no #1?

    Outside looking in, one would think that in the era of the Cap, you’d take advantage of one of the best management tools available, and milk that for all it’s worth: the rookie contract, especially Round One. Go with it as long as possible. If it aint broke, etc. As in, I wouldn’t have extended Gurley two years early, or Goff. And I’d be a bit more careful with trades. Not kewl with the rent-a-player route they took with Fowler and Watkins, for instance.

    I think the FO must think that draft picks grow on trees, and they’ll just recoup them via FA losses. But we’ve learned that doesn’t necessarily happen according to plan, and it also seems to force the loss of key players like Littleton in the process. Plus, a third round comp is basically a fourth rounder, and so on and so on.

    In short, I think a series of bad decisions led to this place, and it didn’t have to happen this way. As a fan, of course, I’ll keep hoping for the best. Been that way since 1966/67.

    #113578
    Cal
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    my question is does mcvay want to continue with the 3 wr sets he had been using. or does he want to go to more 2 tight end sets like he had done with washington? reynolds i think could step up and at least partially fill the cooks role.

    or with this being a strong wr class, maybe he figures get a top wr if he’s available and build the offense around the talent you have?

    I predict plenty of 3 wide sets. Probably less than last year, but still a lot because Kupp is a good player and good things happen if a defense doesn’t focus on him.

    In the 2 games Cooks missed–@ Pitt & home vs the Bears–Reynolds had 6 catches for 104 yards. And he also had a 51 yard td catch called back against the Bears (if my memory is right) because Whit was a few inches from lining up correctly.

    Even without the big play, Reynolds was averaging a gaudy 17 ypc or so in Cooks’ role.

    Reynolds is still young–he’ll be 25 all year long. McVay might have a lot more confidence in Reynolds than most Rams fans.

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