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March 15, 2024 at 1:51 am #149882InvaderRamModerator
awesome. been reading good things about him.
second highest graded safety by pff in 2022. may have had a down year in 2023?
that’s two defensive backs signed. who’s the second safety? yeast or lake? need another corner. edge defender. one more dlineman. a linebacker. running back possibly. wr possibly?
March 15, 2024 at 2:18 am #149884InvaderRamModeratorcurl was valued by pff at 14.4 million per. rams signed him for 13 for two years???
he’s from san diego. wants to win – posted about how he was sick of watching the playoffs from the sideline. looks intense on the few tweets i’ve seen. very physical.
March 15, 2024 at 3:06 am #149885InvaderRamModeratorTired of being a spectator
— Kam Curl (@KCurl_2) January 13, 2024
March 15, 2024 at 8:58 am #149887canadaramParticipantJason_OTC@Jason_OTChttps://x.com/Jason_OTC/status/1768616958700753326?s=20
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March 15, 2024 at 9:50 am #149895znModeratorFormer #Commanders safety Kamren Curl is signing with the #Rams on a two-year deal worth up to $13 million, sources tell me, @MikeGarafolo and @RapSheet. A rising star headed to L.A. and he’s still only 24. pic.twitter.com/mUf6ImkjEZ
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 15, 2024
March 15, 2024 at 10:24 am #149905ZooeyModeratorI don’t get it. What’s the catch?
Here’s a list of all the Safeties on the Top 100 FA Tracker at CBS, their ranking in the 100, and what they signed for:
9. Antoine Winfield (TB) – Franchise tagged (1 year, $17.1 million)
23. Kamren Curl (LA) – 2 years, worth up to $13 million
29. Xavier McKinney (GB) – 4 years, $68 million
36. Kyle Dugger (NE) – Transition tagged (1 year, $13.8 million)
47. Julian Blackmon (IND) – TBD
48. Geno Stone (CIN) – 2 years, $15 million
71. Jordan Fuller (LA) – TBD
86. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson (yes, that’s his real name) (PHI) – 3 years, worth up to $33 million
97. Jordan Whitehead (TB) – 2 years, $9 millionIf you take those rankings seriously, by far the best value on that list is Kam Curl. It’s eye-popping value.
Maybe it’s timing. Maybe all the teams that were Serious about signing a Safety had already done so, and the remaining teams were looking at their cap space, and calculating the draft, and just figured, “Nah.” And maybe that left Curl hanging in a bad year to be a FA for safeties. I dunno. But the first 12 hours of information suggest that Lester Snead has done it again.
March 15, 2024 at 11:26 am #149908znModeratorMaybe it’s timing. Maybe all the teams that were Serious about signing a Safety had already done so,
This is a weird year in FA for safeties. There’s a whole article about it: why so many veteran safeties being cut this year?
More on Curl:
Kam Curl COMPLETE 2022-23 Season Highlights | TOP 5 SS ⭐️💰 | Washington Commanders
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March 15, 2024 at 11:30 am #149909znModeratorDare
This is another really good signing of a young player on the rise. He can cover and most of all tackle which was a huge problem in the secondary. He’s a stud v. the run. He’s got excellent length and decent speed for his length.
Lake and Curl should make a very good starting safety duo and paired with Durant and Williams that is a good starting base secondary. Shelley has played well on other teams as a good SCB so that gives them a very good nickel secondary.
March 15, 2024 at 11:39 am #149912znModeratorWhy Kamren Curl is the Washington Commanders’ most important defensive player
The NFL draft is largely unpredictable in most aspects, and that applies to every round. Teams never really know how good — or bad — a player will be at the next level.
But while success in the league typically gets harder to achieve the later a player is picked, there are still plenty of examples of draftees severely outperforming their draft slots. Washington Commanders’ safety Kamren Curl is near the top of that list.
The then-Washington Football Team selected Curl in the seventh round of the 2020 NFL Draft. Since then, he has done nothing but prove everyone wrong. He’s played at least 700 snaps in each of his first three years, all while finishing as a top-30 safety by PFF grade each year. In 2022, he earned the second-highest grade at the position in the NFL and was the only safety to earn at least an 80.0 PFF grade in run defense, tackling and coverage.
It turned out to be harder to find an advanced statistic that Curl didn’t place in the top 10 in.
Advanced Statistic Stat (rank/eligible players) Missed Tackle Rate 4.7% (T-6th/69) Average Depth of Tackle 3.9 (2nd/64) Run-Stop Rate 5.7% (4th/64) Man Coverage Grade 75.7 (2nd/65) Zone Coverage Grade 74.5 (9th/65) Curl is now not only one of the best all-around safeties in the NFL but also one of Washington’s most important players. When he’s not on the field, the defense isn’t nearly the same. He was forced to miss the first two weeks and the last four weeks of the 2022 season with injuries, and Washington’s defense struggled mightily.
With Curl (W3-15) Without Curl (W1,2,16,17) EPA per play (rank) -0.061 (7th) 0.058 (29th) Scoring Drive Allowed % (rank) 28.9% (3rd) 46.8% (30th) Successful Play Allowed % (rank) 31.8% (5th) 34.3% (17th) *Note: Week 18 was omitted due to it being a backup-heavy, meaningless game between Washington and Dallas.
Curl showed in his first regular-season action as a rookie that he was going to be at and around the line of scrimmage making plays.
This is such a good play by Kam Curl. Recognizes the screen, works around the guard and makes a beautiful tackle.
Curl finished the game with a 74.4 coverage grade which was the 2nd highest on the team, #WashingtonFootball pic.twitter.com/1KDybrfud4
— Nick Akridge (@PFF_NickAkridge) September 15, 2020
Tackling, in particular, was a significant area of improvement for Curl in 2022. He made a massive jump from his rookie season to his third year in limiting his missed tackles and went from ranking in the top 10 in most missed tackles as a rookie to the top 10 in fewest missed tackles this past season.
As a rookie, Curl displayed veteran-like tendencies in terms of always knowing where to be. He just needed to focus on finishing the plays. And last year, he did.
His continued improvement in man coverage also stands out. Much like Curl’s missed tackle rate, his man coverage grade was a different beast in his rookie season compared to this past season. He went from being a middle-of-the-pack man coverage defender to one of the NFL’s best.
Curl had shown some flashes but lacked the consistency needed to play in the slot as much as he did.
Kam Curl has been fantastic for Washington this year, but if he can develop to the point where he can do this consistently, then Washington has a real player in him. Works over Aiyuk in the slot, who runs an out. Matches the route perfectly while reading QB, gets the PBU pic.twitter.com/fK2fPvA5gu
— Mark Bullock (@MarkBullockNFL) December 15, 2020
That changed this past year when he finished with the second-highest man coverage grade among safeties. He’s taken two weaknesses in his game and turned them into strengths, all of a sudden spearheading a Washington defense that has been one of the NFL’s best over the past couple of seasons.
Curl’s biggest strength has always been his ability to not only play multiple positions but excel in those positions.
A big positive for Washington on Sunday was Kam Curl. Played a variety of roles and did well. 1st play of this clip, covers TE on over route, undercuts it to break it up. 2nd play, works from deep to cut a crosser and break that up too pic.twitter.com/Tv2qVQieVd
— Mark Bullock (@MarkBullockNFL) September 15, 2021
He plays everywhere for Washington, which allows the defense to give offenses multiple looks without a drop-off in the quality of play. The coaching staff knows he can excel in every coverage role they ask of him while also not losing any strength in the run game. Despite his frame, he’s never been afraid to throw his body around at the line of scrimmage.
Take a look at this play from Curl’s rookie season. The angle doesn’t do it justice, but he tracks the running back through three separate gaps to eventually make the tackle. It’s an incredible display of patience to not shoot the gap too early. He starts by covering the strongside A-gap, then moves to the weakside A-gap and finally makes the play in the weakside B-gap.
Washington’s strength has always been its defensive line. Jonathan Allen has been one of the most dominant defensive tackles in the NFL for multiple seasons now. Daron Payne and Montez Sweat are both coming off their most productive seasons, and a healthy Chase Young, who won Defensive Rookie of the Year in his last full season, is back in the fold. That’s four first-round picks starting on one position unit. But despite all of that firepower up front, the most important member of that defense is arguably the former seventh-round draft pick Curl.
He’s up for a contract extension after this season, and while Washington has shown it isn’t afraid to pay its homegrown defensive talent, it’s time to retain Curl for the long haul.
March 15, 2024 at 5:53 pm #149944znModeratorPFF LA Rams@PFF_RamsKamren Curl:3 TDs allowed on 603 coverage snaps in 2023March 15, 2024 at 6:48 pm #149948InvaderRamModeratorChristian Rozeboom will return to the Rams on a one year deal, according to a source. The Rams didn't want to put the $3M tender on him bc of amount, but incoming deal will include fully guaranteed money. Rozeboom had a choice to make between a couple teams but preferred to stay.
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) March 15, 2024
March 16, 2024 at 12:07 pm #149902canadaramParticipantAn article from last year
Kamren Curl’s father makes thoughts clear about Commanders safety playing without new deal
Washington Commanders safety Kamren Curl has played exceptionally well through his first three seasons. He’s become a leader of Washington’s defense. He also is arguably the team’s most versatile defender with his ability to line up as a safety, slot corner, and linebacker as a buffalo nickel.
Curl’s performance on the field has exceeded his draft value as a seventh-round pick. Which brings up his contract situation. The 23-year-old former Arkansas Razorback will enter the final year of his rookie deal in 2023. He’ll make just under $3 million next season thanks to the NFL’s proven performance escalator.
A long-term deal is expected for Curl. The Commanders have garnered a reputation for forcing their players to earn their payday through their final year under contract. However, Curl’s father doesn’t appear fond of his son following the same path as others.
“My opinion and my opinion only, but I will find it extremely disappointing and disrespectful if Washington asks #31 to play at the level he plays under a 7th-round rookie contract this year!!!,” Greg Curl tweeted.
As a rookie in 2020, Kamren Curl played in all 16 games, starting 11, and recorded 88 tackles and three interceptions. In 2021, Curl appeared in 16 games with 14 starts. He showcased his versatility at Buffalo Nickel while accumulating 99 tackles. Last season, he had 83 tackles, and one sack in 12 games before an ankle injury ended his season.
Curl expects to play primarily at safety alongside another emerging late-round draft pick Darrick Forrest. The pair is one of the more underrated young safety duos in the NFL. Curl should be a fixture on Washington’s defense for the foreseeable future. However, the team prefers to cook slowly with contract extensions.
Curl needs to be a priority. Yet, the team also has to address others’ contracts. Washington’s talented defensive end Montez Sweat will enter next season on an $11.5 million fifth-year option to his rookie deal. Sweat is not expected to get an extension through the season.
That’s the same path as defensive tackle Daron Payne had to follow before becoming the second-highest-paid defensive tackle in NFL history with a four-year, $90 million extension.
The Commanders must also decide on fellow defensive end Chase Young’s fifth-year option for 2024. If Washington chose to decline his fifth-year option, Young could join Curl and Sweat as unrestricted free agents next year.
The Commanders’ ownership situation could also hamper Curl from getting an extension before the start of next season. The team expects to be sold soon, May at the earliest.
While Payne got a new deal, he faced being a free agent. Curl is under contract for another year. Having Curl play out the year before trying to reach an extension may be best for the Commanders strategically. There’s always the franchise tag. Keep in mind, the franchise tag value for safety is currently the least among all defensive positions.
Certainly, that’s not what Curl’s father wants. Washington does have a habit of giving extensions in the summer ahead of training camp. They did so with defensive tackle Jonathan Allen in 2021, and wide receiver Terry McLaurin in 2022. Aside from ownership, Curl’s extension could be the most intriguing Commanders’ storyline heading into the 2023 off-season activities.
March 16, 2024 at 12:12 pm #149965znModeratorWashington Commanders safety Kamren Curl has played exceptionally well through his first three seasons. He’s become a leader of Washington’s defense. He also is arguably the team’s most versatile defender with his ability to line up as a safety, slot corner, and linebacker as a buffalo nickel. Curl’s performance on the field has exceeded his draft value as a seventh-round pick.
Amazing that this signing is so under the radar.
Also lucky for the Rams that the 2024 safety market is so depressed.
March 17, 2024 at 4:09 pm #149995wvParticipantMina gets to J.Jackson at about the 3:30 mark or so.
March 17, 2024 at 5:21 pm #149996wvParticipantJimmy Garoppolo a ram ?
March 18, 2024 at 8:44 pm #150016znModeratorfrom 2024 NFL Free Agency: This Year’s Most Underrated Signings: https://www.the33rdteam.com/2024-nfl-free-agency-this-years-most-underrated-signings/
KAM CURL, SAF, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Kam Curl remains one of the league’s most underrated players and a two-year deal of $9 million, worth up to $13 million, is proof. Not only is that contract well below what Curl should be worth — at max value, the $6.5 million average is just 21st among safeties — but he landed in a perfect spot for his skill set.
During his tenure in Washington, the former seventh-round pick spent 44 percent of his snaps deep, 27 percent in the box, 21 percent in the slot and six percent at the line of scrimmage. He can be used just about anywhere that is needed.
The Los Angeles Rams have been a defense built around disguise throughout the different defensive coordinators during the Sean McVay era. Last season, they had the third-lowest rate of static looks in the league.
A player such as Curl will only help that given how many spots he can play at before and after the snap. He’s an effective blitzer, a strong run defender and can hold up in coverage. In Washington, especially in 2023, he was responsible for cleaning up some messes in front of him, which took away some of his overall impact.
Giving Curl the ability to move around more freely in a better-coordinated defense and a better secondary could unlock another level of a player who has been one of the league’s best at his position while not many noticed.
March 19, 2024 at 12:18 am #150019InvaderRamModeratori don’t know if this has been posted but tre’davious white is visiting with the rams. when healthy he’s supposed to be a lockdown corner but the key word is healthy. he had a torn acl in 2021 and tore his achilles in 2023.
March 23, 2024 at 10:52 am #150078znModeratorfrom Most player-friendly, team-friendly contracts of 2024 NFL free agency: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-most-player-friendly-team-friendly-contracts-2024-nfl-free-agency
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Player-Friendly
G JONAH JACKSON, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Contract: Three years, $51 million ($17 million per year), $25.5 million fully guaranteed, $34 million total guaranteed
Jackson is the example we alluded to at the top where we talked about our failure to adequately account for position market growth. What an offseason it’s been for guards. We still think this deal is very friendly for the player. With the rise of the interior defender market, both last offseason and with Chris Jones and Christian Wilkins pushing it even higher, it was only natural for the guys who are charged with blocking them to see their contracts rise commensurate with the interior defender market. Nonetheless, Jackson, who is a beast of a run blocker and a gifted young athlete with upside potential, has not been the greatest pass protector through his first four seasons, which is what gets a player paid at the highest level.
From a contractual standpoint, Jackson was able to leverage Los Angeles Rams right guard Kevin Dotson’s three-year extension into a three-year extension of his own. We’ve seen in recent years that players and their agents have pushed for shorter and shorter deals, with the wide receiver market last offseason being the best example, but this trend occurs on different timelines across different positions.
The guard market had remained one of the stickier ones with respect to shortening the contract term below four or even five years, so the guards who were able to maintain strong average annual values and also a faster path back to a rapidly growing market did really well for themselves.
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S KAMREN CURL, LOS ANGELES RAMS
*Contract: Two years, up to $13 million*
*We have not seen the actual contract details here, but we’re more than comfortable saying this is a phenomenal value for the Los Angeles Rams.
Curl probably got dinged in the market not only because the safety market is always a gauntlet unless you’re a clear top player at the position but also because of a lack of ball production over the past three seasons, with zero interceptions since his rookie campaign. That said, Curl is extremely reliable at all three levels of the defense and is good at everything, even if he’s arguably not stellar at anything particular.
Over the past four seasons, Curl’s 85 defensive stops are the third most among all safeties. He is willing to get downhill and make plays at or near the line of scrimmage in addition to his coverage responsibilities, and the Los Angeles Rams got a very well-rounded young player on a great value deal.
March 23, 2024 at 4:24 pm #150080InvaderRamModeratori’m still in disbelief that the rams were able to sign a player the caliber of curl at the price they were able to sign him. i really haven’t ever seen him play but what i read sounds incredible. sounds like another under the radar signing the rams seem to be known for lately.
March 23, 2024 at 6:19 pm #150083InvaderRamModeratorrandom thought. wonder if the rams have any interest in bringing calais campbell or if he’d even be interested in playing for the rams. he played at high level last year. and played all 17 games.
March 26, 2024 at 7:55 pm #150113InvaderRamModeratorjust saw the rams signed tre’davious white? boom or bust signing.
NFL Rumors: Tre'Davious White, Rams Agree to 1-Year, $8.5M Contract After Bills Exit
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March 26, 2024 at 8:29 pm #150115InvaderRamModeratorapparently the rams’ team doctor is the one who did the achilles surgery on white. so the rams may have had some insight other teams did not.
March 26, 2024 at 8:45 pm #150121canadaramParticipantI wonder if he’s ready to go from day one? Will he be on a pitch count?
March 26, 2024 at 8:54 pm #150122InvaderRamModeratorI wonder if he’s ready to go from day one? Will he be on a pitch count?
well that’s something that they must have discussed. cam akers had a new surgery – called the speedbridge surgery – which shortened the recovery time from 12 months to 5 months. i don’t know if white was a candidate for that type of surgery??? if that was the case, then i gotta think he’s had more than enough time.
but how good will be post surgery? who knows?
March 27, 2024 at 1:33 pm #150123znModeratorjust saw the rams signed tre’davious white? boom or bust signing.
from https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2024/3/26/24113151/rams-tredavious-white-a-risk
The Rams signed former All-Pro cornerback Tre’Davious White for $8.5 million. Was this a good move? We will find out in time but here’s what we know. White has been an elite corner in his past, isn’t 30 years old yet but has suffered two of the most catastrophic injuries you can have as an athlete. White tore his ACL in 2021 and last year tore his achilles tendon. It’s safe to say that the risk is fairly evident in this signing.
March 27, 2024 at 2:01 pm #150124znModeratorThis was the game I rewatched last night on all 22 and thought to myself if the #Rams get this Tre White they are golden. pic.twitter.com/ZKh6CDS9kF
— JAKE ELLENBOGEN (@JKBOGEN) March 27, 2024
March 27, 2024 at 2:09 pm #150125nittany ramModeratorIf Tre White can stay healthy, they will have turned a team weakness into a strength (the secondary).
And that’s good, because they will need guys that can cover a LONG time.
March 27, 2024 at 2:40 pm #150126znModeratorBlaine Grisak @bgrisakTSTI’m not necessarily concerned about White having another injury after signing with the Rams. More concerned about what his ceiling is. Likely not a top-5 CB like he was. After ACL and Achilles, two very significant injuries, what does that look like?March 27, 2024 at 6:01 pm #150127wvParticipantMarch 28, 2024 at 6:59 pm #150138znModeratorWhy Rams invested heavily at guard position in free agency, and what’s next as the 2024 NFL Draft approaches
Stu Jackson
https://www.therams.com/news/rams-approach-initial-wave-2024-free-agency-what-s-next-draft
ORLANDO, Fla. – Externally, there may have been some ideas of the Rams’ biggest roster needs – namely on defense – and those positions subsequently being addressed as the new league year began.
But as free agency unfolded, the signings leaned toward the offense with the return of Kevin Dotson and the signings of Jonah Jackson, Colby Parkinson and Jimmy Garoppolo.
Of course, defense was addressed with the signings of defensive backs Kamren Curl and Darious Williams. Overall, though, each move was part of a strategic pivot and investment to best position the Rams in 2024.
“I think to (head coach) Sean (McVay) and (general manager) Les (Snead)’s credit, (as well as Vice President, Football & Business Administration) Tony (Pastoors) and the scouting staff, when you enter free agency with a lot of money for the first time, a lot of salary cap space, I think they looked at it as, ‘how do we build the best team?'” Rams President Kevin Demoff told theRams.com at the NFL Annual Meeting earlier this week. “Maybe not what the holes at the time were, (but) it’s always a long offseason. Last year proved you can fill holes all the way up through the season. I mean, I even think Carson Wentz right at the end. And the really good teams go out to the best players and (are) not just filling holes that stage. So I think, Sean, Les, the offensive staff, Tony, Matt Shearin, John McKay, Matt Waugh, had a vision that the best value in this year’s free agency is going to be at the guards, it’s where they thought the best player value alignment (was).”
Asked about their evaluation of the guard market, Pastoors said the entire offensive line as a market “has grown by leaps and bounds.” He pointed to what tackles on both sides are getting paid now, and how they’ve been fortunate with former left tackle Andrew Whitworth being on a team-friendly deal, as well as current starting right tackle Rob Havenstein and his agent Joe Panos always being great to work with.
“So we kind of had been fortunate to stay out of that, to some extent, out of the new heights of those markets,” Pastoors said. “From an interior, we’ve been kind of the same. We knew that growth was coming. We try to keep a pulse of what’s going on across the league, and you hear from other agents and what they thought it could be. And so when we were able to get the Kevin deal done prior to the start of free agency, I think that was really helpful because (it’s), ‘okay, we’re settled now.'”
According to Snead, Jackson got on their radar when he successfully made the jump from Rutgers to Ohio State as a grad transfer. They continued to follow his career after he got drafted by the Lions, and were monitoring him as a potential replacement for Dotson if they were unable to re-sign Dotson.
Pastoors said they were surprised that Jackson got to the negotiating period prior to the official start of free agency. They thought the Lions would try to bring Jackson back and do what the Rams had done with Dotson.
“When they didn’t, I think Sean and Les and the staff felt there was an opportunity to get bigger and stronger,” Pastoors said, adding that having two young, premier guards on deals that made sense was something they weren’t necessarily expecting, “but certainly excited to have.”
With Parkinson, it reminded Demoff of when the team signed Robert Woods as a free agent. Demoff emphasized he wasn’t saying Parkinson is going to be Woods, just that Parkinson is another really young player who they liked coming out of college and maybe didn’t have the role at his previous team where you see it a little bit differently for him.
“The size and fit for a Sean offense are really strong,” Demoff said. “And obviously Tyler (Higbee) has been such a workhorse for us, we’ve known we’ve needed to change that anyways, but where can you find a complement to a Davis Allen? And obviously coming off an injury, too.”
Demoff also said the Rams had been tracking Williams as a player who might potentially get cut. Meanwhile, Curl “was a player we really liked in the process,” but they thought he would be signed by another team right away. So when that didn’t materialize, they pivoted and worked to get him signed.
Curl’s situation is a little bit similar to Jackson’s, according to Demoff, in that you’re evaluating the entire market because you might lose a player – referring to Jordan Fuller’s market – but at the same time finding “a really valuable piece you might like.”
As for Garoppolo, Snead said they felt like his familiarity with their offensive system and playing style made him a better fit for the backup quarterback role, as much as they were “fans of” Carson Wentz.
So, what’s next?
Demoff points to last offseason serving as a lesson that some of the Rams’ best signings in free agency have come later in free agency, or after the draft, bringing up names like John Sullivan, Nickell Robey-Coleman, and more recently, Demarcus Robinson, Ahkello Witherspoon and Dotson.
“That’s where John McKay, Matt Waugh, our personnel department do some of their best work,” Demoff said. “I think you’ll see, we should never shut down that process.”
Along those lines, Demoff said you have to keep your finger on the pulse of the league. He recalled when the Rams were at the NFL Annual Meeting back in 2018 when Ndamukong Suh “kind of popped up out of nowhere, (and) we got the deal done.” They also left that year’s meeting with the chance that they might be able to trade for Brandin Cooks, and did so one week later.
“I think this is when you start to see some of the guys who may not get deals, or teams think they might better the price range, this is, as you get in and around the draft, when you can make those trades,” Demoff said. “Hey, a guy’s not there on draft day that you expected, there’s a vet you like, I think this is when we do our best work as a franchise. I’m excited to see what we do between now and that first Sunday in September, but then even from there until really through the trade deadline and the rest of the year. What you’re trying to do now is to set yourself up for success the rest of the time, and hopefully we will do that.”
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