our reactions to the Patz game

that int call on goff was most bogus.

akers was totally awesome.

the defense. well shoot. i want to see how much better they can get.

Well, they beat Brady,
and they beat Belichex.

Saw the highlights. McVay did the right thing. Pound the F’ing ball.

That had to be the OLine’s best and most satisfying game,
in a long long time.

Looked like Belichex took away Goff’s favorite little screens and short passes.
Dared em to run.

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Looked to me like Bellichek’s plan was to dare the Rams to run, and McVay did. And Akers did.

Meanwhile, the Pats got 3 points.

So THAT was fun. I didn’t love every play, and I know the Pats are down, but that was still hugely satisfying. Felt like a good game.

The Rams still need a deep ball. And some special teams.

But I feel like this team is improving as the season rolls on, and I am starting to believe they have a shot against the Jets.

Enjoyable game, though it never seemed like the offense was in a groove. Perhaps due to Akers running well, there was no reason to do their usual setting up the next play, and the next, and the next.

This defense is really good, and surprisingly so. Oddly enough, with future HOF Donald, and consistent pro-bowler Ramsey, it’s really a “no-name” group beyond that, meshing really well. Coached really well. I hope it doesn’t happen, but the Rams could lose Staley next season.

(The McVay tree and so on.)

I also like their move to tall, athletic linebackers. They swarm. They sack. They knock down passes. And SJ-D seems to be developing up front. This is a team on the rise.

IMO, they’re a Super Bowl team if Goff plays well, steady, error-free.

Aikman mentioned, in the 2nd quarter, after a Pat DLineman came close to snagging Goff — that Goff sometimes seems oblivious to oncoming rushers.

Thats how it seems to me, too. Maybe a lack of peripheral-vision or somethin. I dunno. I thought the same thing about Bradford.

Agree, disagree?

Just seems like Russell Wilson has a sixth sense about rushers. Yeah they can get him, but they dont ‘surprise’ him. Seems like Goff is ‘surprised’ more than the elite-QBs. But i dunno.

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Zooey wrote:

He is either oblivious to it, or has slow reactions. Seems to me.

Well, he’s not OBLIVIOUS. He sometimes sees it. Just not always.

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Just seems like he gets surprised a bit more than a guy like Wilson.
All it takes is a couple of surprises to lead to a loss.

Anyway, aint it nice to have a RUN defense? Remember how many years we complained about the Rams getting gashed in the rungame. Its just SO COOL to see a fundamentally sound defense.

What changed? New personnel? Staley?

Brockers is playing at a borderline allpro level imho. Sep.Joesph-Day is Stout.
The Linebackers fill the gaps. We know about the secondary.

Its so much fun watching the D.

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wv wrote:

Just seems like he gets surprised a bit more than a guy like Wilson.
All it takes is a couple of surprises to lead to a loss.

I come in peace to offer a different view. 😎

IMO the thing about JG being a sitting duck against the rush is being exaggerated. Example–even in just the highlights vid you can see him evade/escape the rush a few times during the game. Before the game, the Patz were 2nd in the league in pressure percentage, and sometimes the rush verged on getting there, but it didn’t because he sensed it and escaped or stepped up… ie. made a play. I even went through the vid and noted a few of those plays. They’re at 1:38, 2:29, & 4;12 in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRWqmdWindA&feature=emb_err_woyt

He’s not like Wilson when it comes to that but then Wilson is one of the absolute all time best at that. I think what happens with Goff, to be honest, is that some of his worst plays get remembered as this deep indication of who he is…when, no, he is in general better than those worst plays seem to indicate.

In fact here’s another example from the previous game. Arizona pressured him 16 times, according to PRF. That’s the most he has been pressured since early in 2019 against Tampa (when it was 20 times). But no one thinks of him as having endured heavy pressure in the Arizona game. That’s because he is better at reacting to it than a lot of people seem to be assuming.

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Well, we dont see it ‘that’ differently. A little different though.

I think Goff is good, and i think they can win a title with him, if he’s surrounded by a ring-quality-team. So, I’m not saying he’s got a huge flaw.

I am comparing him to ‘elite’ QBs in the ‘pocket awareness’ category. Just that category. And I’m saying he does not compare favorably to guys like Wilson.
Like you say, Wilson is a magician in the pocket. Goff is not.

Is Goff ‘below average’ in this thing I’ll just call ‘pocket awareness’? Is Goff average in P.A. ? Is he above-average-but-not-elite in PA ?

I’m not sure.

I’m just saying he’s nowhere near Wilson, or Fran or Marino. Marino had great PA, as you know. He’d slide twelve inches one way or the other and zing.

When i watched the college stuff back in the Wentz vs Goff threads, I thought Goff would be a magician in the pocket. Seemed like he was, in college. But i dont see it now.

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wv wrote:

I think Goff is good, and i think they can win a title with him, if he’s surrounded by a ring-quality-team. So, I’m not saying he’s got a huge flaw.

I am comparing him to ‘elite’ QBs in the ‘pocket awareness’ category. Just that category. And I’m saying he does not compare favorably to guys like Wilson.
Like you say, Wilson is a magician in the pocket. Goff is not.

Is Goff ‘below average’ in this thing I’ll just call ‘pocket awareness’? Is Goff average in P.A. ? Is he above-average-but-not-elite in PA ?

yeah.

i mean i can’t say for sure. i don’t watch too much of the other qbs. but to me he doesn’t stand out in that category. can he improve? possibly. but he’s getting to the point where i almost gotta say that what you see is what you get. he might be able to improve marginally, but i don’t think he’ll ever have the elite pocket awareness.

he’s really good in other areas. but mcvay will always have to manage goff to a certain extent. he’ll need a strong running game to keep a defense off balance.

but then. MOST qbs need this. elite qbs are elite for a reason. there are very few of them.

pocket presence or pocket awareness is one of those things that’s holding goff back. if he could improve in that area, then quite possibly he moves up another level.

Remember two weeks ago I was asking for 2 TE sets, and we were all like, Nah Mcvay won’t do that.

Well, he did it the majority of the time in that last game. I’m quite certain Mcvay must have read my post and changed his game plan accordingly.

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zn wrote:

How is Goff without the 3 bad games? (which I don’t put all on him.) By qb ranking, the other 10 games, he averages out to 10th in the league.

but you have to include the bad games.

is too much being made of his pocket awareness or lack of awareness? possibly.

for me it’s not enough to just point to plays where he does demonstrate pocket awareness. it has to be compared to his peers.

i don’t know how you comparatively measure pocket awareness though.

just taking passer rating though. ne allows an 87 passer rating. goff had a rating in the 70s… but i don’t put that int on him. i think he performed better than what his rating indicates.

and even if i were to agree to take his three bad games away (which i wouldn’t), he’s still ranked 10th which puts him at my 10-15 ranking as a qb.