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  • #5796
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    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1 42s
    Rams have been awarded former Texans QB Case Keenum on waivers.

    Pro Football Focus‏@PFF
    New #Rams QB Case Keenum lead all QBs with an Accuracy % of 53.1% on throws 20+ yards downfield in 2013

    PaulButcher59

    What I like most about him is that he is really gutsy and can extend plays well.

    Average arm strength, but throws the ball with a nice touch with good accuracy.

    If the Rams were dead set on not trading for any QB`s, and ONLY going to through the waiver wire, Keenum was their best option.

    Keenum has a little bit of that, “it factor” to him. Needs work, but is young and still learning. It wouldn’t surprise me if he has a future with the Rams, even if its just in a backup role in the future. Who knows, maybe he could be more. I’m not looking for him to set the world on fire, but I really look forward to seeing what he can do with the Rams.

    His teammates in Houston really liked him and some say O`Brien never really gave him a fair opportunity this camp/preseason.


    ME: Bet around Rams Park, he avoids Ogletree.

    #5797
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    http://www.rotoworld.com

    Rams claimed QB Case Keenum off waivers from the Texans.
    Waived by Houston, which decided to go with Ryan Mallett and rookie Tom Savage behind Ryan Fitzpatrick, 26-year-old Keenum is a natural fit behind Shaun Hill in St. Louis with a similar skill set. Keenum is sneaky athletic and willing to throw into tight windows, though he was slow to learn the Texans’ offense last year. If 34-year-old Hill’s performance goes south, we wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Keenum make starts in the Gateway City. Keenum finished 2013 with a 9:6 TD-to-INT ratio across eight starts, though he completed only 54.2 percent of his throws and fumbled six times, losing two. We’d still expect Keenum to pass Austin Davis on the depth chart within a month or so.

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    From QBs in Focus: Schaub & Keenum

    Steve Palazzolo | Pro Football Focus, July 31, 2014

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/07/31/qbs-in-focus-schaub-keenum/

    Positives

    • Graded at +3.1 when lined up under center.
    • Eighth-highest grade on passes thrown at least 20 yards in the air (+6.3).
    • Ranked fourth with a +4.8 grade on passes thrown at least 30 yards in the air.
    • Showed well on drop-backs in the 4-to-6-yard range (+2.0).
    • Graded at +5.7 when throwing to slot wide receivers.
    • Sixth-highest grade on go routes (+8.2).

    Negatives

    • Struggled on second down (-4.8).
    • Graded at -7.7 on drop-backs from the shotgun or pistol.
    • Third-lowest grade on passes thrown in the 1-10-yard range (-7.8).
    • Graded at -7.2 when pressured.
    • Graded at -5.8 on drop-backs of nine yards or more.
    • Struggled on passes lasting 3.1 to 3.5 seconds (-4.0).
    • Fourth-lowest grade on out routes (-4.4).

    Tendencies

    • Threw 32.0% of passes in the 5-10-yard range; fourth-highest in the league.
    • Faced pressure on 45.5% of drop-backs; second-highest in the league.
    • Threw 50.9% of passes outside the numbers; above the league average of 46.7%.
    • 68.8% of drop-backs lasted at least 2.5 seconds; well above the league average of 49.0%.
    • Threw 24.6% of passes to tight ends, including a league-high 20.2% of attempts to inline tight ends.
    • 15.8% of attempts were crossing routes; second-highest in the league.

    #5798
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    #5799
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    OK, who did they let go to get him?

    #5800
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    OK, who did they let go to get him?

    No word yet.

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    #5801
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    So Mallet is worse than Fitzpatrick and better than Keenum…. talk about a tight window!

    #5803
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    I would not write off Austin Davis.

    Grits

    #5804
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    Wow, Keenum looked really good in that video. Only 26 too. He and Bradford are about the same age. So there is your competition in training camp next Summer. But Garret Gilbert is on the Practice Squad. Looks to me like the Rams have some good depth now at QB with Keenum, Davis and Gilbert. I think it is better to have Hill as the back up who can come in and play in a pinch if the starter gets hurt.

    I think Bradford has to renegotiate and sign maybe a one year or two year deal. He has to prove he can stay on the field and play. Then he can go for the big bucks again. I think next season it will be Bradford and Keenum as the one and the two.

    Grits

    #5806
    RamBill
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    Keenum a solid choice for patient Rams
    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/11190/keenum-a-solid-choice-for-patient-rams

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — It took all of about an hour for the rumors and speculation to run rampant after St. Louis Rams quarterback Sam Bradford’s season-ending knee injury became official on Aug. 24.

    Outside of Rams Park, names like Mark Sanchez, Kirk Cousins, Ryan Mallett, even Tim Tebow were tossed around as possible quarterback additions for the Rams. But coach Jeff Fisher was adamant from the beginning that his team wouldn’t jump into some short-sighted solution. He backed veteran Shaun Hill as the starter and preached patience in the search for more depth.

    “It makes no sense to jump and react right now and try to fill the hole, whatever it costs,” Fisher said then. “We’re going to take our time and evaluate this. There’s going to be some quarterbacks that are getting released and there may or may not be some quarterbacks that have trade value. We just don’t know. It’s way too soon.”

    Fisher made those comments a little more than a week ago but proved true to his word Monday afternoon when the Rams claimed quarterback Case Keenum off waivers from the Houston Texans.

    In Keenum, the Rams are getting a third-year player with some actual game experience, something current backup Austin Davis lacks. The Rams placed tight end Justice Cunningham on injured reserve with an ankle injury to make room for Keenum. Having Davis allows the Rams to have a backup who knows coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s offense and should also allow Keenum to take his time getting acclimated in St. Louis.

    Keenum started eight games for the Texans in 2013, posting 1,760 yards, nine touchdowns and six interceptions while completing 54.2 percent of his passes. He actually ascended to the starting spot after the Rams soundly beat Houston 38-13 in week 6.

    Keenum shouldn’t be viewed as any sort of long-term answer for the Rams in Bradford’s absence. That will have to be addressed in the offseason but picking him up looks to be a solid if unspectacular move in the interim.

    If nothing else, the Rams did well to find a quarterback who has some game experience without having to give up anything in return. Amongst the many ideas for quarterbacks that some clamored for were fantasy football offers of draft picks up to and including a second round choice. But none of the players being discussed offered any sort of proven upgrade to Hill and would have cost the Rams valuable draft picks.

    Those are the same draft picks the Rams will eventually need to select their quarterback of the future and, if they aren’t positioned to get such a player, need to put in a package to move up to get said quarterback in the next NFL draft.

    With Keenum, the Rams did the prudent thing by finding a signal caller who has started a half season’s worth of NFL games but costs them nothing more than a simple roster move.

    #5808
    RamBill
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    Updated: Rams claim QB Keenum off waivers from Houston
    • By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/rams-report/updated-rams-claim-qb-keenum-off-waivers-from-houston/article_28e56a10-82df-5a9b-bf64-6b27cda23606.html

    The Rams have claimed quarterback Case Keenum off waivers from the Houston Texans.

    Keenum, a second-year player from the University of Houston, become odd man out after the Texans traded with New England for Ryan Mallett.

    Keenum, 26, started eight games last season for the Texans, completing 137 of 253 passes (54.2 percent) for 1,760 yards with nine touchdowns and six interceptions. His passer rating was 78.2.

    At the University of Houston, Keenum set NCAA career records for passing yards, touchdowns, and completions.

    But undersized at 6-1, 205, he went undrafted, signing with the Texans in 2012 and spending the year on the practice squad.

    About an hour after learning they had been awarded Keenum, the Rams placed tight end Justice Cunningham on the injured reserve list. Cunningham suffered a high ankle sprain in the preseason finale against Miami, and was expected to miss at least a month.

    The Rams were heavy at tight ends with five on the initial cut to 53 Saturday.

    #5812
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    Case Keenum quickly snatched up by new team, proving his doubters wrong again — and leaving Texans questions

    By Chris Baldwin

    http://houston.culturemap.com/news/sports/09-01-14-case-keenum-quickly-snatched-up-by-a-new-team-proving-his-doubters-wrong-again-and-leaving-texans-questions/

    That didn’t take long.

    One day after getting released by the Houston Texans in favor of Bill Belichick reject Ryan Mallett, Case Keenum’s found a new NFL team. The quarterback-needy St. Louis Rams picked up the former University of Houston record breaker off waivers on Monday.

    And just like that, the Keenum doubters have been proven wrong again.

    In reality, there was little question that a passer who showed plenty of potential in his first half season of starting would be snatched up in a league so desperate for quality quarterbacks. Still, many of the Houston media outlets that inexplicably hated on Keenum during his run with the Texans predicted he’d struggle to find a new NFL home. The Houston Chronicle went as far as suggesting his NFL career could be over, parroting the kind of nonsense 610 AM radio host Nick Wright regularly spewed.

    With a fierce defensive front and explosive playmakers, St. Louis is a real opportunity for the right QB.

    But it’s not even close to the end for Keenum.

    Instead Keenum is joining a Rams team that could give him a chance to start for a real contender at some point this season. With St. Louis’ franchise quarterback hope Sam Bradford injured again — and lost for the season — Rams coach Jeff Fisher is looking for possible quarterback solutions.

    The Rams will open the season with unremarkable veteran Shaun Hill as their starter, but Hill is hardly locked in.

    With a fearsome defensive front seven and some explosive offensive playmakers like Tavon Austin, St. Louis presents a real opportunity for the right quarterback. Getting to play for Jeff Fisher — one of the most respected and open-minded coaches in the NFL — could be another boon for Keenum.

    Fisher is unlikely to fixate on Keenum’s lack of traditional quarterback height the way new Texans coach Bill O’Brien seemingly did. O’Brien never gave Keenum a chance to compete for the starting quarterback job —or even a single opportunity to play with the first team during the preseason.

    Now Keenum gets a fresh start. As new beginnings go, it sure looks like a touchdown.

    #5820
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    OK, who did they let go to get him?

    Jim Thomas @jthom1
    Rams place Justice Cunningham (ankle) on IR; that frees up spot for Keenum.

    #5821
    TSRF
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    Thanks. Makes sense.

    Is it the “IR done for the year” or the “IR may come back soon”?

    #5822
    TackleDummy
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    Thanks. Makes sense.

    Is it the “IR done for the year” or the “IR may come back soon”?

    It is unlikely the come back soon IR since a team can use that only once. Best held for a starter.

    #5823
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    another view from around the net

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    westCoastRam

    Keenum is what he is. I think we saw his ceiling last year, a spot starter that might be able to steal you a game or two. Possibly a bridge quarterback. I think anything else is a pipe-dream.

    I do think it was a great move to give us a shot to not just bomb games if Hill gets hurt. But that’s all his is, a chance at competitiveness.

    Hill’s a workable starter.

    Keenum is behind him.

    #5824
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    I liked what I saw from Keenum in that video but Andre Johnson is simply unreal.

    #5825
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    “…In Keenum, the Rams are getting a third-year player with some actual game experience, something current backup Austin Davis lacks. The Rams placed tight end Justice Cunningham on injured reserve with an ankle injury to make room for Keenum. Having Davis allows the Rams to have a backup who knows coordinator Brian Schottenheimer’s offense and should also allow Keenum to take his time getting acclimated in St. Louis…”

    Well, i think all the regulars Know,
    i like mobile-QBs — so….YaY!

    Let the quarterback controversy
    Begin.

    Btw, how does Keenum know Brian Shottenheimer’s system?
    Goes without saying that is a BIG deal. Very important
    attribute.

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    #5827
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    Btw, how does Keenum know Brian Shottenheimer’s system?

    He doesn’t. You misread. Probably deliberately. Just to cause trouble.

    #5828
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    Btw, how does Keenum know Brian Shottenheimer’s system?

    He doesn’t. You misread. Probably deliberately. Just to cause trouble.

    Ok, well then, How come he DOESNT
    know Brian S’s system? Answer me that.

    Not everyone likes him, i see, btw:
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    Laram

    So sad that it has come to this for this once proud franchise.

    Everybody all excited about an UDFA from that prodigious U of H quarterback factory, that has produced the likes of Kevin Kolb, David Klingler and Andre Ware.

    Ugh
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    #5829
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    Ok, well then, How come he DOESNT
    know Brian S’s system? Answer me that.

    Now Schott’s system is the 3rd is he going to learn. First WCO, like Shurmur. Then…O’Brien, who has the same system McD does. Schott makes 3.

    Kind of spooky, hunh, if you think about it….

    #5830
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    I could be wrong, but Keenum
    dont seem like a safe ‘game manager’ type.
    Seems like a bit of a gunslinger.

    Is that a good match for this team?

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    #5831
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    I could be wrong, but Keenum
    dont seem like a safe ‘game manager’ type.
    Seems like a bit of a gunslinger.

    Is that a good match for this team?

    w
    v

    He has very good downfield accuracy…54% on passes of 31 yards or over. That’s better than everyone else, I think. But he makes up for it by having below average accuracy in the 1-10 yard range.

    BTW I can’t believe no one remembers this.

    YOu know who he had his first career game against, right? He replaced Schaub during a game…and then was the starter.

    Who was that against.

    Hint: their team name is “the Rams.”

    #5833
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    http://baltimoresportsandlife.com/baltimore-ravens/introduction-gary-kubiak-offense/

    An introduction to the Gary Kubiak offense
    Posted on August 13, 2014 by Mark Bullock

    Football is back and the Baltimore Ravens have a new offense to acclimatize to. New offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak has installed his version of the west coast offense passing game combined with the zone-blocking scheme. While we only saw the Ravens starters for one series in their opening preseason game last week, we did get a glimpse of what is to come from the new system.

    The foundation of Kubiak’s offense is the zone running game. Every team in the NFL will mix between power and zone running schemes, but Kubiak comes from the Mike Shanahan coaching tree that uses almost exclusively zone blocking.

    Kubiak’s offense

    Agamemnon

    #5834
    RamBill
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    Case Keenum joins Rams’ quarterback carousel

    • By Jim Thomas

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/case-keenum-joins-rams-quarterback-carousel/article_68d88336-4607-5877-beff-218102b04481.html

    In effect, the Rams gave quarterback Case Keenum a chance to play 10½ months ago in Houston when they knocked starter Matt Schaub out of the game because of an ankle injury.

    On Monday, the Rams gave him a chance to play in St. Louis by claiming him off waivers after the Texans released him a day earlier.

    Keenum, the former University of Houston star, arrived in St. Louis on Monday night as the team’s No. 3 quarterback behind starter Shaun Hill and backup Austin Davis.

    It will be a crowded quarterback meeting room because Rams sixth-round draft pick Garrett Gilbert was signed to the practice squad over the holiday weekend. That makes it four quarterbacks. But you get the feeling the Rams aren’t quite finished with their QB maneuvering.

    “I’m really excited about getting a new chance, a fresh start with a great organization, great coaches, and great teammates,” Keenum said before boarding a plane for St. Louis at Houston’s Hobby Airport. “I’m looking forward to getting to work.”

    Keenum spoke to Rams coach Jeff Fisher not long after being claimed Monday afternoon.

    “He was very excited about having me get to town and get over and start working with the coordinator of their offense and their quarterback coach,” Keenum said. “He’s excited about their team, and I’m excited to do whatever I can to help that team be better.”

    To make room for Keenum on the roster, the Rams placed tight end Justice Cunningham on the injured reserve list. Cunningham suffered a high ankle sprain in the preseason finale against Miami and is expected to be sidelined four to six weeks. The team will attempt to reach an injury settlement with Cunningham.

    The Rams were heavy at tight end any way – with five – after the initial cut-down to 53 players Saturday.

    Keenum, who is from Abilene, Texas, was a hugely-productive player in college for the Houston Cougars, ending his time there as the NCAA’s career leader in passing yards, touchdown passes, and completions.

    Granted a sixth year of eligibility after suffering a season-ending knee injury in Game 3 of the previous season (against UCLA), Keenum threw an NCAA record nine TD passes against Rice in 2011.

    To put that in perspective, during the entire 2011 season under coach Steve Spagnuolo, Rams quarterbacks threw nine TD passes.

    Despite piling up all those numbers, Keenum went undrafted in 2012, signing with the Texans as a rookie free agent. His lack of size (6 feet, one-half inch, 205 pounds) and questionable arm strength were the most common knocks against him.

    “I don’t think he really fits what the Rams do,” said a veteran scout Monday, speaking on the condition of anonymity. “Because to me, I look at Bradford – he’s a big-armed kid. This guy is not a big-armed kid. He does not have a cannon. He’s a small guy.

    “Now, he’s brilliant. He is frighteningly smart. He’ll have their playbook down in two weeks. He gets rid of the ball very fast. But he has a below-average arm. I think he’s a very good NFL backup. He’s a better athlete than he gets credit for.”

    Others feel that Keenum has a stronger arm than people think. He sees the field, is accurate, and has leadership qualities and a charisma to him.

    “He plays like he has nothing to lose,” Texans wide receiver DeVier Posey told the Monday Morning Quarterback web site last season. “When he gets down on one knee in the huddle, you believe any play can work. He just has that Texas good old country boy swagger.”

    Keenum was No. 3 on the depth chart in Houston when Schaub went down against the Rams on Oct. 13 in Reliant Stadium.

    But Texans coach Gary Kubiak liked Keenum, who leapfrogged backup T.J. Yates into the starting lineup the following week against then unbeaten Kansas City.

    The 2013 season was a train wreck for the Texans, but Keenum breathed life into the team in his first three starts, losses to Kansas City, Indianapolis, and Arizona by a combined seven points. Those three teams all finished with 10 or more wins.

    Keenum, 26, threw for 822 yards and seven touchdowns in those three games, with no interceptions.

    But it was tough sledding in Keenum’s final five starts – all losses – with two TD passes and six interceptions. He missed the final two games because of a thumb injury.

    With a new head coach, Bill O’Brien, and a new offensive system this season, Keenum struggled in exhibition play, producing only three scoring drives – all field goals – in 12 possessions. Then, again, all of the Texans’ QBs struggled in varying degrees in the preseason.

    But when the Texans traded for New England quarterback Ryan Mallet over the weekend, Keenum became expendable. Starter Ryan Fitzpatrick generally is considered a stopgap solution. But Mallett (6-6, 245) and fourth-round draft pick Tom Savage (6-4, 228) fit more of the stronger-armed, big frame Tom Brady prototype. O’Brien is a Bill Belichick disciple and former Patriots assistant.

    So on Sunday, Keenum became the third of the three holdover QBs O’Brien inherited to be shown the door, joining Schaub (now in Oakland) and Yates (now in Atlanta).

    “It’s definitely bittersweet right now,” Keenum said. “It’s been a weird 24 hours. The Texans, the McNairs — everybody there — it’s a first-class organization. I loved every minute I spent there. . . .It’s a tough league and a tough game.”

    Robert McNair is the team owner; his son Cal, is the team’s vice chairman.

    #5835
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    from the Jim Thomas (just prior to this:

    “I don’t think he really fits what the Rams do,” said a veteran scout Monday, speaking on the condition of anonymity. . . . “Now, he’s brilliant. He is frighteningly smart. He’ll have their playbook down in two weeks. He gets rid of the ball very fast. But he has a below-average arm. I think he’s a very good NFL backup. He’s a better athlete than he gets credit for.”

    .

    Well. That’s interesting.

    .

    #5842
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    I don’t know much about him. Bill O’Brien is supposed to be one of these “QB gurus” and this is what he has to say about QBs:

    O’Brien has been known for his work with quarterbacks, a hole the Texans seem to be in most desperate need of. As someone who some have called a QB guru, although O’Brien believes no coaches are experts or gurus, there are certain things he is looking for in the man who will run the offense of Reliant Stadium next year and for the years to come.
    “Is he a winner. Is he a guy that is a leader on his team? Is he a good locker room guy? Is he going to be a great guy in the community? Is he a guy that’s going to study the game morning noon or night, be obsessed with the game. I think those are things that are very important for a quarterback.”

    I assume Keenum meets those qualities.

    For me–I always valued awareness as the most important QB quality. Joe Montana never had a big arm but he knew where everyone was. If you have a good release and awareness you can go far in this league. A lot of “big armed” QBs were flops anyway. I’m looking at you Jeff George.

    So I am going to remain cautiously optimistic on this move.

    I guess this means they’ll pretty much be carrying the three QBs on the roster this year.

    Austin Davis probably is a bit uncomfortable today. I would like to see Davis get some reps in a real game someday(hopefully not by injury but because the Rams have a huge lead)just to see how he handles it.

    Hopefully we don’t have to see Keenum or Davis this year. Hopefully Hill plays well, stays healthy and leads the Rams to a winning record. Or even better–the playoffs.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #5844
    GreatRamNTheSky
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    Keenum is 6’1″ tall and already people are complaining.

    6’1″? So, how tall is Russell Wilson and that dude just won a Lombardi.

    How tall is Drew Brees? He has a Lombardi as well.

    Lets give the kid a chance to play before we start picking him apart. And I could care less what the QB history of the school is either. USC has had many QBs over 6’1″ who played well in College that never truly made it in the pros.

    BTW USC fan, how tall was Pat Haden?

    Grits

    #5847
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    JT: “… Keenum threw an NCAA record nine TD passes against Rice in 2011.
    To put that in perspective,
    during the entire 2011 season under coach Steve Spagnuolo, Rams quarterbacks threw nine TD passes.”
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    “To put that in perspective” ? Well, that
    would be a pretty weird perspective
    if you ask me.

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    v

    #5876
    laram
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    Keenum is 6’1″ tall and already people are complaining.

    6’1″? So, how tall is Russell Wilson and that dude just won a Lombardi.

    How tall is Drew Brees? He has a Lombardi as well.

    Lets give the kid a chance to play before we start picking him apart. And I could care less what the QB history of the school is either. USC has had many QBs over 6’1″ who played well in College that never truly made it in the pros.

    BTW USC fan, how tall was Pat Haden?

    Grits

    I’m not surprised you don’t care Grits but you should.

    It has everything to do with the system they run at UofH and why their qb’s don’t translate to the NFL.

    But of course that’s not superficial stuff.

    Laram

    #5878
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    Now Schott’s system is the 3rd is he going to learn. First WCO, like Shurmur. Then…O’Brien, who has the same system McD does. Schott makes 3.

    Kind of spooky, hunh, if you think about it….

    So you’re saying he is about to tear an ACL?

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