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March 9, 2017 at 9:43 am #66025znModerator
The #Rams are set to sign #Bengals LT Andrew Whitworth, per @_SportsTrust. They’ll move Greg Robinson to guard
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 9, 2017
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All Pro, 3-time Pro Bowler and @Bengals permanent captain @awhitworth77 has framework for deal with @RamsNFL. #LegendsLiveHere #LARams pic.twitter.com/q42MDOVvQM
— SportsTrust Advisors (@_SportsTrust) March 9, 2017
March 9, 2017 at 9:47 am #66026znModeratorCan confirm #Rams have signed FA OT Andrew Whitworth. FYI: Expect Rams to be more active today. WR specifically
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 9, 2017
#Rams deal for Andrew Whitworth: 3 years, $36M w $15M guar, including $2.5M guar in Year 2. Deal pays more $13M in Year 1 and $24.5M over 2
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 9, 2017
Framework of Andrew Whitworth deal between Rams and @_SportsTrust: 3 years, $36M, $15M guar, including $2.5M guar in Year 2.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 9, 2017
The #Browns are signing WR Kenny Britt, source said (as @caplannfl reported). 4 years, $32.5M.
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 9, 2017
March 9, 2017 at 9:50 am #66027znModeratorAndrew Whitworth to sign with Rams
Michael David Smith
Andrew Whitworth to sign with Rams
The Bengals were optimistic they could re-sign offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth. But they won’t.
Whitworth plans to sign with the Rams today on a three-year deal worth a total of $36 million with $15 million guaranteed and $13 million coming in the first year of the contract.
That puts Whitworth on one of the worst offenses in the league — unless he can be part of a turnaround effort led by new head coach Sean McVay. The 35-year-old Whitworth has started all 16 games the last three years, and he’s a well-respected veteran who was a team captain. His absence will be a loss in Cincinnati.
Whitworth was the No. 20 player on our Free Agent Hot 100.
March 9, 2017 at 10:11 am #66028znModeratorRams to swipe LT Andrew Whitworth from Bengals
Kevin Patra
The Los Angeles Rams found a solution to their left tackle problem.
The Rams have the framework for a deal in place with veteran Andrew Whitworth, the offensive tackle’s agent announced on Thursday morning.
NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported the deal is for three years, worth $36 million with $15 million guaranteed, including $2.5 million guaranteed in Year 2. The deal pays more than $13 million in the first season and $24.5 million over the first two years.
It might be a haul to pay a 35-year-old, but Whitworth was by far the best left tackle hitting the open market — and there appears little immediate aid in the draft. He sat No. 18 overall on Around The NFL’s Top 101 Free Agents list. The next true left tackle on the list doesn’t pop up until Russell Okung at No. 46.
Rapoport adds that the plan is to move disappointing first-round pick Greg Robinson to guard — a plan GM Les Snead intimated last week at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Swiping Whitworth from the Cincinnati Bengals is a coup for Snead. The attempt to grow a young line the past several seasons has failed miserably for the Rams. Adding a veteran presence in Whitworth on Jared Goff’s blind side and swinging Robinson inside could stabilize the unit.
The 11-year pro ranked as Pro Football Focus’ No. 2 overall tackle in 2016 and was the best pass blocker among the group.
Los Angeles boasted one of the worst blocking units in the NFL last season. The group struggled to open holes for Todd Gurley and couldn’t protect whichever quarterback was under center. Adding Whitworth to replace the turnstile Robinson immediately solves the Rams biggest problem.
Now Snead and new coach Sean McVay must continue plugging the plethora of holes on the roster.
March 9, 2017 at 10:29 am #66029joemadParticipant$13M ..that seems like a lot of cash for a 35 year old tackle……….
In addition, I wish Britt could’ve stayed…. Rams need a big strong receiver.
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March 9, 2017 at 10:41 am #66031PA RamParticipantI like it. They HAD to do something. I know they need receivers but if the line isn’t fixed it won’t matter and the wide receiver market is super expensive. They had to lock down the LT spot. Hopefully Robinson can make that move to guard. This guy is not a long term solution but he will do for now. I think they just couldn’t get it done with the receivers so they’ll look for bargains later. But offensive line was even a higher priority for now in my mind. Maybe this is a good start at fixing what has been an ongoing problem.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 9, 2017 at 10:59 am #66032sdramParticipantThey had to do something for the OL and I think this is a decent alternative to not doing something as in doing nothing. Another veteran interior such as a center wouldn’t hurt my feelings either.
Best rated lt in free agency but still a lot of money for a 35 year old LT – but, that’s the deal now a days it seems.
March 9, 2017 at 12:34 pm #66037InvaderRamModeratori’ll say this. he’s performed at a high level, and while he’s 35 years old, his body hasn’t been beaten up like your typical 35 year old nfl body has. he came into the league as a 25 year old. he’s only been playing at the professional level for 11 years. and olineman can typically play longer anyway, so hopefully he’s taking care of his body.
and this draft class was pretty horrible at tackle.
- This reply was modified 7 years, 9 months ago by InvaderRam.
March 9, 2017 at 2:52 pm #66045InvaderRamModeratorso i found this interesting tidbit. whitworth was a championship tennis player in the state of louisiana.
i’ve heard of football players with a background in basketball and wrestling. but never tennis. i don’t know what to make of it yet.
March 9, 2017 at 3:52 pm #66046ZooeyModeratorWhitworth seems like a good piece to transition to his successor – who might still turn out to be GRob, but probably someone they draft in the next year or two. Pricey, but I understand that the offense is going nowhere if the line doesn’t improve its performance.
Anyway. I do like the fact that Whitworth has been consistent, and although I’m not a cap guy, it looks like the big cap hit is this year, and the next two years are much cheaper.
It doesn’t seem like the Rams even tried to retain Britt, and I don’t understand that, unless they just felt like they had to place more $ into the OL, and the dropoff between Britt and someone much cheaper isn’t that much.
Woods strikes me as a #2 WR. Heck, iirc, that’s what he was in college.
March 9, 2017 at 7:07 pm #66050znModeratorAlden Gonzalez@Alden_Gonzalez
Told Greg Robinson is expected to move to the right side, either at tackle or guard, now that Andrew Whitworth is the LT.
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@Ryan_Kartje
In his past 3 seasons, Andrew Whitworth allowed a total of 4 sacks (zero last yr). Last season, Greg Robinson allowed 7 sacks in 14 games.
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Steve Wyche @wyche89
Besides upgrading talent, Whitworth brings some MUCH needed veteran leadership and toughness.
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Also keep in mind that with Whitworth being able to hold down LT w/out help, frees up TE's to be more available in pass game https://t.co/RgNNBwz0Td
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 9, 2017
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11 seasons into his career and OT Andrew Whitworth is playing at a tremendously high level. Expected to sign w/ the Rams, per @AdamSchefter. pic.twitter.com/CaN9hST8Xn
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) March 9, 2017
March 9, 2017 at 7:19 pm #66052znModeratorBengals make huge mistake in losing Andrew Whitworth to Rams
By Katherine Terrell
CINCINNATI — This one could sting for a long time.
Left tackle Andrew Whitworth was expected to play his entire career in Cincinnati. On the opening day of free agency, he’s on his way to Los Angeles to sign with the Rams.
Whitworth is getting a three-year, $36 million contract with the Rams that includes $15 million guaranteed — with $2.5 million guaranteed in the second year — according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.
The Bengals’ start to free agency already looked bleak before the signing period, which officially starts at 4 p.m. Thursday.
Now they have a hole at left tackle and a huge void in their locker room.
The Bengals wanted to keep Whitworth, and he wanted to return to Cincinnati. So why didn’t it happen?
It seemed the Bengals targeted Whitworth as their first priority among their free agents, a group that also includes Kevin Zeitler and Dre Kirkpatrick.
But it was a head-scratching, and perhaps telling, sign that the first major signing of free agency for Cincinnati was not Whitworth, but wide receiver Brandon LaFell.
It wasn’t that the Bengals didn’t try. A source close to the negotiations said they were competitive in their offers, but the gap between the money offered in the first year and the amount of fully guaranteed money the second year was just too great.
Whitworth, now 35 and potentially on his last contract, wanted more protection than a one-year deal.
For several years now, the Bengals have been reluctant to give him long-term security based on his age. The Bengals didn’t want to mortgage their future salary cap by giving a huge deal to a player who is the oldest at his position in the NFL.
The Bengals tried to plan for this day, looking to the future by drafting tackles Cedric Ogbuehi and Jake Fisher in the first and second rounds of the 2015 draft. But Whitworth was just too good to lose his spot, and Ogbuehi and Fisher weren’t good enough to even challenge him for it.
To understand what happened, it would be necessary to go back to 2015, when Whitworth and the Bengals were trying to negotiate a contract extension. The talks dragged on through September of that year before the Bengals gave in and gave Whitworth a one-year, $9 million extension.
The Bengals’ reluctance to move forward with the negotiations did not sit well with Whitworth’s camp. It was a bitter taste that lingered.
It appeared that both sides were moving forward when the Bengals made offers to Whitworth’s representatives in the weeks leading up to free agency, but they did not take the necessary steps to ensure he would not leave for another team.
A source close to Whitworth wondered why the team did not place the franchise tag ($14.8 million for one year), or transition tag ($12.6 million) on him. The transition tag would have allowed them to assess Whitworth’s value while having the opportunity to match, while the franchise tag, though expensive if Whitworth actually played on it, could have protected their investment while they continued to negotiate.
The Bengals did neither.
Now the team is essentially left scrambling. They continue to express optimism in Ogbuehi and Fisher, who were drafted with the idea that they would be the tackles of the future. Neither has come close to looking like a full-time starter.
Ogbuehi struggled so much at right tackle that the team resorted to rotating him with veteran Eric Winston before finally benching him. They moved Whitworth to guard for one game so they could see if Ogbuehi could play left tackle, which he said was his natural position.
It didn’t go much better on that side.
With Whitworth gone, the Bengals have lost the longest-tenured player in their locker room, a valuable leader and the best player on their offensive line.
The team might have balked at paying one of their oldest players so much money, but last year proved Whitworth, who made the Pro Bowl as an alternate, is still as good as he ever was. They should have gritted their teeth and made every effort to match.
Now they’re left watching as one of their best players suits up elsewhere.
March 9, 2017 at 7:26 pm #66053znModeratorRams solidify LT with Andrew Whitworth signing
Alden Gonzalez
LOS ANGELES — Early Thursday morning, hours before unrestricted free agents can formally sign with other teams, the Los Angeles Rams addressed their most pressing need: protecting quarterback Jared Goff’s blind side.
The Rams have agreed to terms with veteran left tackle Andrew Whitworth, solidifying a position that has been a problem for quite a while. Whitworth, 35, has spent his previous 11 seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals and has gone to the Pro Bowl three times. Now he joins the Rams, whose offensive line struggled mightily to protect Goff or open up holes for running back Todd Gurley throughout the 2016 season.
Terms: Three years for $36 million, with $15 million guaranteed, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. In Year 2, $2.5 million is guaranteed.
ESPN 150 ranking: 16th (second among tackles)
Grade: The Rams get an A for this, and the cost doesn’t mean all that much. That’s how important the left tackle position is. For three years, they tried to make it work with Greg Robinson, the No. 2 overall pick from 2014, and they clearly needed to move on. And considering what they gave up to select Goff first overall in last year’s draft, it was crucial that they brought in somebody who can protect him. Keep in mind: Goff was sacked 25 times over the last six games last season, including seven in the regular-season finale. That can’t continue to happen. Whitworth was the best left tackle available — Rick Wagner, rated higher than him, plays on the right side — and the Rams did what it took to get him. Good on them.
What it means: It means the Rams now have the flexibility to move Robinson elsewhere, either to right tackle or right guard. They have one year left on his rookie contract — unless they pick up his fifth-year option — and can experiment with such a move before he becomes a free agent. Robinson’s 6-foot-5, 332-pound athletic frame screams left tackle. But he can also maul interior linemen at guard, without the responsibility of being on an island. Robinson struggled with that responsibility, committing an NFL-leading 31 total penalties over the past two years. But if he can get comfortable at right guard — and if right tackle Rob Havenstein can bounce back from a surprisingly rough second season, and Rodger Saffold can lock down the left guard position — then the Rams may suddenly have the makings of an adequate offensive line.
What’s the risk? It’s all about the mileage here, of course. Whitworth is heading into his age-36 season and is the league’s oldest left tackle. But he also has been to the Pro Bowl each of the past two years, including being named first-team All-Pro in 2015, and is still considered among the NFL’s best pass-blockers. Pro Football Focus graded Whitworth the second-best left tackle in the NFL last season, trailing only the Redskins’ Trent Williams. So, yes, he’s still elite. But for how much longer?
March 9, 2017 at 8:03 pm #66063znModerator..
Hard to overstate the loss of Andrew Whitworth to the Bengals. Was a steadying force in a locker room that's always had characters in it.
— Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) March 9, 2017
March 9, 2017 at 10:30 pm #66066TSRFParticipantSounds old. I hope he holds up.
Maybe he is eating the same diet that Tom Brady is…
March 9, 2017 at 10:46 pm #66069znModeratorSounds old. I hope he holds up.
Maybe he is eating the same diet that Tom Brady is…
Well he was drafted in 2006. That’s the same year as Staley, who still starts with SF, and 2 years after Jason Peters, who starts for the Eagles, and 1 year before Joe Thomas. So tackles can play effectively for a while.
March 10, 2017 at 12:02 am #66076AgamemnonParticipantMarch 10, 2017 at 10:42 am #66110znModeratorAt 35, Andrew Whitworth sought the long-term security the Rams offered
CINCINNATI — The departure of Cincinnati Bengals left tackle Andrew Whitworth essentially came down to long-term security, according to his agent Pat Dye.
Whitworth agreed to a three-year deal Thursday with the Los Angeles Rams. The deal is worth $36 million with $15 million guaranteed.
The Bengals’ best offer was a one-year deal worth $10 million, Dye said, refuting reports that the Bengals were willing to go as high as $11-12 million. The possibility of a second year was not on the table.
Andrew Whitworth preferred to stay in Cincinnati, but the Rams’ offer proved significantly more competitive. Andrew Dieb/Icon Sportswire
Whitworth will make $7.5 million in base salary in Year 1 with a $5 million signing bonus up front, essentially giving him almost $13 million in salary in 2017. He has the opportunity to make up to $24.5 million over the first two years of the deal.What interested Whitworth the most was the stability of a longer deal in what could be his last contract. At 35, Whitworth is the oldest left tackle in the league.
The Rams were willing to guarantee $2.5 million in the second year of his contract, giving him a much better chance of being on the team by then. By guaranteeing a portion of his 2018 salary, the Rams would have to absorb several million if they released him after only one year, including the prorated portion of his signing bonus, which would immediately accelerate into that year’s cap.
That would mean around $5.8 million in dead money for the Rams if Whitworth is cut in 2018, which is a significant investment.
It was clear there was no such job security with the Bengals, who drafted two tackles in the first two rounds of the 2015 draft in preparation for Whitworth’s departure. The Bengals have preferred to go year to year on Whitworth’s contract due to his age. His last contract extension was a one-year deal signed in 2015 worth $9 million.
The Bengals will now move on with Cedric Ogbuehi at left tackle. The Bengals will lose a team captain who was second only to Andy Dalton in the amount of offensive snaps taken since 2012.
The Rams were interested in obtaining Whitworth for not only his play on the field, but for his off-the-field impact as well, seeing him as a mentor to their young offensive linemen.
“They really made him feel wanted,” Dye said.
Dye said it was a difficult decision for Whitworth, who has been in Cincinnati since the Bengals selected him in the second round of the 2006 draft and has raised his family there. If the contract terms had been close to what other teams offered, Whitworth would have accepted Cincinnati’s deal. However, the Rams’ offer was significantly more competitive.
“Andrew loves it there, loves the Bengals organization, he loves [coach Marvin Lewis], the fans, the city,” Dye said. “If this thing had been equal or even close to equal, he would have loved to stay there.”
March 10, 2017 at 10:06 pm #66156znModeratorOL @awhitworth77 will wear No. 77 for the #Rams pic.twitter.com/OoXNnnJJOR
— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) March 10, 2017
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Sean McVay. "I look a little smaller next to our left tackle." pic.twitter.com/ZIle5vXrPJ
— Rich Hammond (@Rich_Hammond) March 10, 2017
March 10, 2017 at 11:44 pm #66159PA RamParticipantThe sooner they get rid of the gold in those uniforms the better. I’ve never liked the gold. And keeping it with the white just looks weird.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 10, 2017 at 11:46 pm #66160PA RamParticipantJackie Slater was around 41 when he retired. I’m not worried about Whitworth’s age. He gives us a solid player at that position for the first time in a long time.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
March 11, 2017 at 8:56 am #66165nittany ramModeratorPer Pro Football Focus: Greg Robinson allowed 40 pressures in 2016. New #Rams LT Andrew Whitworth allowed 38 pressures in 2015+2016 combined
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 11, 2017
March 13, 2017 at 1:06 am #66211wvParticipantAwesome.
Good start.
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vMarch 15, 2017 at 1:51 am #66310znModeratorFree Agency Exclusive with Andrew Whitworth
Get to know the Rams new offensive lineman Andrew Whitworth in this free agency one-on-one exclusive with reporter Dani Klupenger.
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GURLEY & WHITWORTH AT THE PRO BOWL
March 15, 2017 at 11:36 am #66318znModeratorPFF: Andrew Whitworth should be a massive upgrade for Rams line
https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-andrew-whitworth-should-be-a-massive-upgrade-for-rams-line/
Even at $33.8 million over three years, the Rams got a bargain in the free-agent acquisition of offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth.
Whitworth’s only negative is age – 35 years old – but he is still playing at an elite level and represents a colossal upgrade over Greg Robinson, a former first-round draft pick who has struggled badly thus far in his NFL career.
Robinson has surrendered 18 sacks over the past three years, starting since he was drafted No. 2 overall in the 2014 draft. He has also been flagged at least 10 times every season and struggled with run-blocking too.
Since Robinson came into the league, here is how he compares statistically with Whitworth:
Snaps:
Whitworth- 3,171
Robinson- 2,623Sacks:
Whitworth- 8
Robinson- 18Hits:
Whitworth- 2
Robinson- 33Hurries:
Whitworth- 34
Robinson- 59Total Pressures:
Whitworth- 44
Robinson- 110Penalties:
Whitworth- 22
Robinson- 40Pass Snaps/Pressure:
Whitworth- 38.5
Robinson- 12.6In that time, Robinson has four games of perfect pass protection, and in none of the four did he escape without a penalty to his name. Whitworth had six perfect games of pass protection in 2016 alone, and in only one of those was he flagged.
Whitworth’s play overall has been a model of consistency — not just recently, but over his entire career, and particularly over the past eight seasons. He may rarely have been the best tackle in the game, but he has just as rarely been outside the top three at any given time.
The most interesting aspect of this move is when Whitworth’s inevitable decline will hit. At 35 years old, he is already defying convention by playing as well as he is. When players hit the wall erected by Father Time at the end of their careers, it can tend to happen fast, so the Rams are gambling a little that Whitworth’s arrest is still some way off in the future. Ultimately that is the part that none of us can reliably predict, but in the short term at least they have succeeded in a massive upgrade at their left tackle spot.
March 15, 2017 at 4:11 pm #66322InvaderRamModeratorThe most interesting aspect of this move is when Whitworth’s inevitable decline will hit. At 35 years old, he is already defying convention by playing as well as he is. When players hit the wall erected by Father Time at the end of their careers, it can tend to happen fast, so the Rams are gambling a little that Whitworth’s arrest is still some way off in the future.
well again, whitworth came into the league his age 25 season in 2006.
he’s only been playing in the nfl for 11 years.
so it gives me some hope he can play at least a couple more years.
March 16, 2017 at 6:56 pm #66352znModerator1. Worth noting: as new #Rams OT Andrew Whitworth does his media rounds, two things stand out
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 16, 2017
2. He talks a lot about wanting to play for Sean McVay & feedback he got from friends who played for McVay https://t.co/Q1QNq6REkn
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 16, 2017
3. The veteran mentorship role he played with a young Andy Dalton with #Bengals and how he wants to do same for #Rams Jared Goff https://t.co/8aQMYRMuza
— Vincent Bonsignore (@DailyNewsVinny) March 16, 2017
March 17, 2017 at 10:13 pm #66388znModeratorFree Agency All 22 with LT Andrew Whitworth
Rams Insider Myles Simmons breaks down the game film on new offensive lineman Andrew Whitworth.
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