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November 17, 2025 at 7:21 am #159375
znModeratorThe Rams don’t draft CBs that well, but are very good with CBs they acquired as veterans through free agency and trades or as cut “ronin” types. And it’s not always the case that they were stars before. The Rams develop veterans who didn’t do much other places, like Witherspoon & Forbes.
2 lists. The draft picks, and then the “acquired by other means” types. The at least moderately successful (or more) players are red-bolded.
Draft picks (not one is higher than round 3): Long, Rochell, Durant, Kendrick, Tomlinson
Trades, FAs, reclamation projects: Troy Hill, Nickell Robey-Coleman, Darious Williams, Marcus Peters, Aqib Talib, Ramsey, Ahkello Witherspoon, Tre’Davious White, Emmanuel Forbes…(and we have yet to hear from Roger McCreary).
In contrast, they are very good at drafting and developing young safeties.
With CB, though, they just do better with veterans they didn’t draft. That’s an old thing that goes back to 2017 and has remained consistent since then. In fact 4 of them are on the team this year (D.Williams, Witherspoon, Forbes, McCreary).
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November 17, 2025 at 7:43 pm #159405
znModeratorAnd the result in 2025? I was listening to the vid WV posted in the “Seattle game…tweets, plays, articles, highlights” thread (here: https://theramshuddle.com/topic/seattle-game-tweets-plays-articles-highlights/). It was posted at 7:06 pm today, for now it’s the end of the thread (which could change).
At one point (starting at about 4:13 in) the analyst says this about the Rams secondary after the Seattle game: “they’re really coming together as a legitimate coverage unit….for the season now, they lead the league in coverage grade.” He adds they don’t have a big name shut-down corner, “but the way they’re playing as a unit really culminated in this game….It’s not just Darnold letting the Seahawks down….”
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More related stuff:
New story:
The Rams DBs heard all week about how explosive the Seahawks passing game was. But where others saw a nightmare, they saw a gold mine.
And now, they’re showing the Rams have another area that can be a strength this season: https://t.co/oPGk9OqeGI pic.twitter.com/lQ2ZfWFuYP
— Nate Atkins (@NateAtkins_) November 17, 2025
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November 18, 2025 at 11:48 am #159417
znModeratorSosa Kremenjas@QBsMVP
I don’t even give a shit about the numbers, though I’m sure they were pretty good. Emmanuel Forbes drew maybe the toughest assignment in football a lot on Sunday and competed all day.Can tell he’s playing with maximum confidence right now.
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November 18, 2025 at 7:44 pm #159435
znModeratorryan anderson@RLAndersonLAFB
🟦 Rams CB Ahkello Witherspoon could return in THIS SEASON 🗓️. His absence has caused man coverage struggles 😬, even with Emmanuel Forbes 💪 stepping up. Witherspoon’s return will be the key for a playoff push 🏆.November 18, 2025 at 7:47 pm #159436
znModeratorSean McVay spent a portion of today’s presser raving about DBs coach/assistant head coach Aubrey Pleasant, who has shaped this secondary on the field and off.
For a window into it, here’s how he rewired Emmanuel Forbes Jr. after a benching and release:https://t.co/ebZBm710Cn
— Nate Atkins (@NateAtkins_) November 18, 2025
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The Rams are a bend-but-don’t-break secondary. They rank 13th in passing yards allowed, third in yards allowed per passing attempt, seventh in passing touchdowns allowed, fourth in yards after the catch allowed and sixth in completion rate allowed.
And while those numbers are associated with some of the best secondaries in the NFL, the Rams are doing it all without a star in the defensive backfield. Cornerbacks Darious Williams and Quinten Lake are the only healthy Rams defensive backs with a Pro Football Focus coverage grade of at least 70.0 this season, and none of the Rams’ safeties are above 60.0.
This is where a combination of coaching and a top-flight defensive line comes in. Defensive coordinator Chris Shula is coaching incredibly well this season, and the Rams have been tremendous both at stopping the run and getting to the quarterback. That all trickles down to the secondary even without star players.
November 19, 2025 at 7:26 am #159444
wvParticipantChris Shula and stuff
November 19, 2025 at 6:45 pm #159471
znModeratorThe Rams lead the league in dime personnel usage, but why do they rely on six-DB sets in key situations when some teams don’t use them at all?
Wyatt Miller
The short answer is that they have the personnel to do it, and often force situations where it’s advantageous to have six defensive backs on the field. The long answer is much more nuanced, and easier to show than to tell.
Two of the Rams’ biggest defensive plays against the Saints on Sunday came out of dime personnel.
On a 3rd-and-9 early in the game, the Rams showed blitz with two deep defenders, as safety Jaylen “Tank” McCollough crept up on the center from the linebacker spot. When the ball snapped, he dropped back into coverage, taking away the check down in the middle, and L.A. rushed four. Outside linebacker Jared Verse took on a double-team to give one-on-ones to the rest of the line, resulting in defensive end Braden Fiske’s first sack of the season.
McCollough’s presence in the middle of the defense caused confusion at the line and gave the Rams single-coverage advantages with defensive backs across the board. Even if Saints quarterback Tyler Shough was given time to throw, there would have been nowhere for him to go with the ball.
“The advantage of doing that from a defensive perspective is now we’re on the attack,” said safety Quentin Lake. “I think it’s really good for us because we have such a good rush and you want to get those guys a lot of the times in one-on-one situations and then bring an extra cover guy in when you know it’s passing situations.”
The Rams’ 34.6% dime personnel rate leads the league by a considerable margin, according to Next Gen Stats. It allows them to generate favorable coverage matchups, with McCollough as the extra defensive back, and defensive coordinator Chris Shula combines that with distinct pre-snap looks to make quarterbacks hesitate in obvious passing situations.
“It’s been our calling card,” McCollough said. “It’s been our advantage, I like to say.”
The Rams’ 5.5 yards per play allowed with that personnel grouping is the third-fewest among teams with at least 25 snaps – the Rams have 177, according to Next Gen Stats. Meanwhile, three teams haven’t rolled out a single dime package this season, and a total of 13 teams run it less than 5% of the time, which shows just how much of an anomaly this Rams defense truly is.
It helps that L.A. has forced the most third-and-longs per game (7.4), according to nflverse data, which has given them ample opportunity to bring an extra defensive back onto the field. They already use nickel personnel (five defensive backs) nearly half the time, so throwing McCollough in adds yet another wrinkle for offenses to deal with.
L.A.’s safety depth and versatility contribute to their success in dime. McCollough, Lake, Kam Kinchens and Kam Curl are all chess pieces that can be moved around to fit each play’s purpose, giving Shula the resources to creates a variety of looks within the dime package and stay unpredictable.
“You don’t want to be in it so limited that you’re playing the same thing every single time with the coverage variation and things like that, so we want to be able to play a lot of stuff out of dime, and Tank allows us to do that,” Shula said.
On 4th-and-4 with just over five minutes remaining against New Orleans, the Rams showed a six-man front with six defensive backs on the field and one deep safety in the middle. When the ball was snapped, two rushers on the left side dropped back and L.A. brought four, including Curl, again creating one-on-one matchups with simulated pressure.
This time, McCollough lined up 12 yards deep down the seam and then jumped forward to cover the underneath zone. He took away Shough’s first read, Taysom Hill on a short in-cut, as pressure forced the rookie quarterback up in the pocket. His off-platform throw to an improvising receiver was intercepted easily by cornerback Emmanuel Forbes Jr. for his first as a Ram, and Los Angeles iced the game from there.
November 20, 2025 at 11:02 am #159478
znModeratorNew on @AthlonSports: The @RamsNFL don't blitz, but they pressure quarterbacks all the time. They play dime defense more than anyone, but the light boxes don't hurt them. How underrated players and a great coaching staff built a Super Bowl-level defense. https://t.co/bxZi6miTAO pic.twitter.com/tflXwfp03n
— Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) November 20, 2025
November 20, 2025 at 11:33 am #159480
znModeratorFishkiller@FV_Mylia_Lynn
The Rams have really improved in pass coverage this season. Only 6 teams have a lower percentage of open receivers per play, yet 13 teams are better at pressuring opposing QBs & 11 teams are better at converting QB pressures into sacks than the Rams are. Coverage unit doing work!Only 4 teams have a better combined QB pressure rate & open receiver percentage than the Rams this season – which means the Rams defense is really marrying pass rush with coverage to a high degree & is legit. If pass rush picks up steam the League better watch out!
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FYI, article out Monday… 💥 https://t.co/jZliLHkcJb
— Cody Alexander (@The_Coach_A) November 19, 2025
November 22, 2025 at 10:09 am #159515
znModerator.@DariusJButler examines how the Rams defense shuts down opposing pass games#RamsHouse
Live on ESPN2 & Streaming on ESPN+@GregCosell | @DariusJButler | Sal Paolantonio pic.twitter.com/cDdCcNGAkA
— NFL Matchup on ESPN (@NFLMatchup) November 22, 2025
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How Chris Shula’s Hybrid Defense Dismantled the Jaguars
A deep dive into the Fangio-Phillips hybrid that’s taken the Rams to the top of the NFL’s defensive charts.Cody Alexander
https://www.matchquarters.com/p/chris-shula-rams-defense-hybrid-scheme
Against the Jaguars in London, Shula’s defensive acumen was on full display. Trevor Lawrence had a season low QBR of 13.0 (ESPN). Though rookie Travis Hunter went for over 100 yards, the offense only mustered seven total points.
The Rams’ defense used multiple attacking styles to keep the Jaguars off balance. From pressures to coverage rotations, Shula seemed to have an answer for everything. The Jacksonville offensive line has struggled all season, and the Rams’ defense took full advantage with seven total sacks.
The use of Cover 3, combined with sub-packages, allows Shula to disguise coverage through post-snap rotations to confuse quarterbacks. Closed-Post coverages flood the underneath zones and limit explosives in the Post. By eliminating quick intermediate throws and forcing the quarterback to hold the ball, the elite pass rush of the Rams has time to hit home, which they did in London.

Overall, the Rams’ secondary matches the NFL league average, but leans more toward Cover 3 (zone) than Cover 1 (man). In ‘25, LA is currently second in EPA/play when running zone coverage (FTN). Part of that surge in success has been the alignment within the secondary in year two under Shula.

Under Shula, the Rams have run the most Dime in the NFL for the past two seasons. Part of that has been their front structure, but the main culprit has been the surge in play for Nickel Quentin Lake. The fourth year Safety has become the critical piece in the Rams ’ sub-package heavy defense.
Though LA is 28th in Nickel usage (five DBs), they are first in Dime (six DBs). Currently, Lake is ranked fourth in Slot Havoc by Field Vision. Veterans Safety Kam Curl and CB Darious Williams are also excelling in the zone-based system created by Shula.
November 22, 2025 at 10:14 am #159518
znModeratorNovember 23, 2025 at 8:06 pm #159555
znModeratorJim Youngblood 53@53_jim70721
In 2024 Rams were in base defense 2nd most time in NFL and were still poor vs runIn 2025 base defense = 20th in NFL and are good vs run
doing more with less … a double improvement
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Happy Sunday Night Football! Did an article and video this week on the @RamsNFL's defense, and why it may be the most lethal mixture of coaching and talent on that side of the ball in the Sean McVay era. Watch out, @Buccaneers. https://t.co/bxZi6miTAO pic.twitter.com/Vf3r6bhEJd
— Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) November 24, 2025
November 24, 2025 at 3:04 pm #159608
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
Sean McVay said the back end of the Rams defense as a whole is playing “really well.”Again praised assistant HC/pass game coordinator Aubrey Pleasant, safeties coach Chris Beake and defensive assistant Mike Harris for their work with that group.
“I’m just really, really pleased with how that’s looked.”
McVay on CB Cobie Durant:
“The landshark’s balling.”
November 24, 2025 at 3:07 pm #159609
znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
Sean McVay said the back end of the Rams defense as a whole is playing “really well.”Rams solution to having a weak secondary and no opportunity to add players?
Just go ahead and take the guys you have and make them a good secondary.
I’m going to apply the same approach to my finances. What do I do if I have no money? Just go ahead and have money anyway.
November 24, 2025 at 3:13 pm #159610
znModeratorhttps://t.co/NouYJKVqjQ pic.twitter.com/1s1v4jr00A
— Doug Farrar ✍ (@NFL_DougFarrar) November 24, 2025
November 24, 2025 at 5:26 pm #159619
znModeratorThe highest-graded CBs in Week 12:
🐏 Emmanuel Forbes – 92.4
🐏 Cobie Durant – 90.6 pic.twitter.com/f9eEWEjlnv— PFF (@PFF) November 24, 2025
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Los Angeles Rams PR@TheLARamsPR
Emmanuel Forbes is the first Rams player to record 5 PDs in a game since Week 17, 2017 vs. the Cardinals (Kevin Peterson).November 24, 2025 at 6:37 pm #159629
znModeratorlots of dime, few blitzes and working great pic.twitter.com/zgK7JXoZzx
— Jim Youngblood 53 (@53_jim70721) November 24, 2025
November 25, 2025 at 6:29 pm #159667
znModeratorLos Angeles Rams PR@TheLARamsPR
Rams Defensive Grades through Week 12, according to @PFF:
– 1st in Defensive Grade (89.7)
– 1st in Coverage Grade (90.5)
– 2nd in Run Defense Grade (84.6)
– T-4th in Tackling Grade (72.4)
– 6th in Pass Rush Grade (78.5)November 25, 2025 at 7:07 pm #159668
znModeratorDuring the Rams' 6-game win streak, Emmanuel Forbes Jr. has played at an elite level.
He's either broken up or intercepted 10 of his 32 targets (31.3%) and allowed the lowest passer rating when targeted among qualified outside CBs (12.8) by over 20 points. pic.twitter.com/GNaNPbfWh5
— Wyatt Miller (@wymill07) November 25, 2025
November 25, 2025 at 7:09 pm #159669
znModeratorThe best defenses at preventing TDs this season 📊 pic.twitter.com/b7PZt27YG8
— PFF (@PFF) November 25, 2025
November 25, 2025 at 7:14 pm #159670
znModerator[Forbes] allowed the lowest passer rating when targeted among qualified outside CBs (12.8) by over 20 points.
That’s just insane.
November 25, 2025 at 7:33 pm #159671
InvaderRamModeratorit’s crazy to think the rams could have forbes signed through 2027.
and they got this guy for basically nothing.
they could also have a high first round pick next year. i’m thinking caleb downs. curl will be a free agent after this season. lake will be a free agent. durant a free agent.
rams just keep making the right moves. amazing.
November 28, 2025 at 7:50 pm #159750
znModeratorit’s crazy to think the rams could have forbes signed through 2027.
and they got this guy for basically nothing.
Nearly one year after being waived by Commanders, Emmanuel Forbes Jr. thriving with Rams
Stu Jackson
WOODLAND HILLS, Calif. – This Sunday, the Rams will play the Panthers at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, North Carolina.
It’s not just the date of the Rams’ Week 13 game, though.
A year ago to that day, Emmanuel Forbes Jr. was waived by the Commanders, the team that had drafted him 16th overall in the first round in 2023. Three days later, he was headed for Los Angeles after being claimed by the Rams.
Now, Forbes approaches that one-year mark with three interceptions across his last four games, playing confidently and as a key difference-maker in L.A.’s secondary.
“That’s something I always expected to do,” Forbes told theRams.com. “That’s how I always see myself playing (like that), and that’s just all the hard work paying off, honestly. But it’s big for the building that I’m able to produce and help my team win all like these games. And when I do my job, when the secondary do our job, honestly, we just feel like we can win any game. So it’s big.”
When Forbes was waived by the Commanders on Saturday, Nov. 30, 2024, he found out he was claimed by the Rams that Sunday night, right before the deadline for the waiver claim period (typically that claiming period lasts 24 hours).
“I was excited for a fresh opportunity, a fresh start,” Forbes said. “Got here and just got to work instantly.”
The work began well before Forbes stepped onto his new team’s practice field.
On his first day in the Rams’ facility – the same day his flight landed in Los Angeles – assistant head coach/pass game coordinator Aubrey Pleasant brought him into his office, “and we just talked for a long time, and even started watching film on me and how and why what happened in Washington.” Forbes said it’s a conversation he always remembers, one that is the reason he is the way he is today.
“Leave that in the past, like, that’s your past,” Pleasant told him. “You got a brand new start here. Don’t let nothing that happened to you in the past dictate how you going to perform here.”
Pleasant said it was “very similar” to the meeting he had with former Rams cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Jalen Ramsey when they first joined the team, in terms of expressing his delight and excitement about his opportunity to coach them, but also incorporating reflection about why they were in their respective situations to be here.
“Each of one of those gentleman had a different set of circumstances which gave me an opportunity to be able to coach them,” Pleasant told theRams.com. “I know in that first meeting, he (Forbes) thought we were gonna talk a lot about football, but we probably did everything but.”
The last 20 minutes of that first meeting were spent going over a film cut-up of Forbes playing his best ball for the Commanders, but also some things Pleasant thought he could do better.
“But it was easy to get that film,” Pleasant said. “Because of his transparency and his humility, he had already kind of talked about some of those things.”
Pleasant’s next step in restoring Forbes’ confidence involved both football and personal aspects.
From a football standpoint, Pleasant wanted Forbes to “delve deep into” being a technician, a coaching point that came from what Pleasant had seen on film.
“I knew he had been blessed with an unbelievable set of skills, but I knew that if he honed in on his technique, he would watch some of the plays he would’ve struggled to make at this level become a little easier,” Pleasant explained.
From a personal standpoint, Pleasant wanted Forbes to “calm over-eagerness to go out and prove the world wrong.” Pleasant explained they had “really good play” at the cornerback position at that time with players playing to their full potential, so it would be up to Forbes to be a “really good” role player and learn until his opportunity arrived.
Asked if it was difficult to curtail that over-eagerness initially, Pleasant said the first thing he said to Forbes was that he saw frustration come when Forbes was told he wasn’t going to be playing, but he also explained that because of the way Forbes was perceived at the time, everything from that point was going to be building what they needed. They wanted to have a long-term plan, and Pleasant said Forbes bought into that.
“I did promise him that before the season’s over, he if followed what we thought was the plan, he would find himself an opportunity to play,” Pleasant said. “Now, how much that would be, when that would be, we would never know, but I promised him, if he took care of what he needed to, he would get a chance to play.”
November 28, 2025 at 9:02 pm #159752
znModeratorNearly one year after being waived by Commanders, Emmanuel Forbes Jr. thriving with Rams
Forbes was drafted to do one thing and asked to do another. …The Commanders took Forbes as a off-zone corner and asked him to play press-man coverage.
…He fit [the Rams] schematically…. The Rams run an off zone 3-4 defensive scheme, which requires cornerbacks to play very little press coverage. It allows Forbes to take deeper drops and cut down on the ball rather than being asked to win physically and play alongside or behind the wide receiver. With the Rams, he doesn’t need to press and can play on the ball where he thrives. Aubrey Pleasant also deserves a lot of credit for coaching Forbes to be more physical.
In this defense, Forbes is able to use his ball skills and football IQ while relying on the Rams pass rush to generate pressure and take advantage of mistakes. …
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