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August 22, 2024 at 2:44 pm #151803znModerator
Cody Stoots@Cody_Stoots
Stroud: I wasn’t trying to fanboy with Matt Stafford but he’s one of my favorite quarterbacks so it was great to ask him a lot of questions. #Texans
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Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Matthew Stafford on CJ Stroud: “I’m a huge fan of watching him play. Throws the ball with ease, plays with like a really calm aggression which I like.”August 22, 2024 at 11:42 pm #151807znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueSean McVay could not have been more impressed with the talent, professionalism and discipline with which DeMeco Ryans’ Texans team practiced. “First-class. We got a lot of good work today…exactly what we had hoped.” Not easy to get mutually productive work in late days of camp…QB Matthew Stafford fully practices vs. Houston in Texas heat: Rams takeawaysJourdan Rodrigue
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5717180/2024/08/22/la-rams-matthew-stafford-practice-texans/
HOUSTON — One thing about a 91-degree, 70-percent humidity Texas football practice, it’ll keep a tight muscle warm.
Los Angeles Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford practiced fully against the Houston Texans on Thursday, in the teams’ lone joint practice together before Saturday’s preseason finale. Stafford had been dealing with hamstring tightness since last week’s joint practice against the Cowboys. This week, his workload gradually increased from stretching and individual reps on Monday, to about half of the 11-on-11s reps on Tuesday (including a little rogue keeper that scared head coach Sean McVay, but seemed a signal from the quarterback that he was ready to get back in full time).
“It was good,” said a sweat-drenched Stafford after Thursday’s practice. The Texans play a clean, physical and aggressive style of football that both he and McVay praised after the session. The Rams’ first- and second-team offense, working against the Texans’ first- and second-team defense — and vice versa, on the second of three fields — were able to get a lot of work done against defensive looks they don’t frequently see. “It was good working against these guys. They’re a really talented defense, really talented team.”
Stafford is also wearing a glove and bandage over his left (non-throwing) thumb and hand. He said he cut it at home and simply has to protect it for a little while. The Rams will begin their preparation for the season-opener in Detroit early next week.
I (sweatily) rotated between offensive and defensive fields. That means I couldn’t catch any one group in full, but I still gathered plenty of notes from the day:
• The Rams waived depth cornerback Jerry Jacobs with a settlement due to a groin injury, McVay said. Now the CB4 position is in competition once again. Starter Darious Williams, who has missed most of camp/the preseason with a hamstring injury, is expected to increase his practice workload next week. He will play opposite Tre’Davious White, with Cobie Durant backing up either of them or playing the smaller slot (not the “Star” position) behind Quentin Lake (who is a safety). I observed undrafted free-agent rookie Josh Wallace getting snaps opposite White. Rookie Charles Woods will also compete for the depth role, as will second-year player Tre Tomlinson and third-year player Shaun Jolly.
McVay may not be as concerned about cornerback depth as usual, because under defensive coordinator Chris Shula the safeties are the go-to players in sub packages like nickel or dime. They are six or even seven deep at safety right now, with tough decisions coming: Kam Curl, John Johnson III, Lake (also Star), Kam Kinchens, Russ Yeast (backup Star), Jaylen McCollough and Jason Taylor II.
• Veteran running back Boston Scott has been dealing with a lower leg contusion, said McVay, but he will play Saturday. The Rams signed second-year back SaRodorick Thompson on Thursday morning. Kyren Williams, Blake Corum and Ronnie Rivers seem to have secured the Nos. 1-3 spots on the roster, no surprises there.
• Left guard Jonah Jackson (shoulder) is expected to work back into practice next week, according to McVay. Jackson has been able to participate in some individuals but not team periods over the last week.
The Rams have pushed players in different roles in order to assess their depth. This week, rookie center Beaux Limmer has gotten snaps at center with Stafford — the position manned by second-year lineman Steve Avila all spring and summer with positive results. This is why: If Jackson is not ready for the opener, the Rams have to know whether their strongest interior combination is Avila at left guard and Limmer at center, or Avila at center and backup Zach Thomas at left guard (Thomas had repped there prior to this week, minus Jackson). Warren McClendon is still playing right tackle in place of Rob Havenstein (ankle) and Joe Noteboom has continued at left tackle in place of Alaric Jackson (ankle). Logan Bruss has also gotten some snaps at reserve guard. Limmer took all of the center snaps for Stafford on Thursday.
“I like the command, I like the communication,” McVay said of Limmer, “I think you see a lot of the physical traits where he can come out of his hips and get more removal. I think he’s getting more and more comfortable in the protection element. … Beaux has made some really good strides, and I think that’s a credit to the guys around him but also Ryan Wendell and Zak Kromer. To be able to have some versatile pieces like we do, and then being able to get Jonah back, that will be really big for us. And I think we’ve really developed some depth at the tackle spot.”
• Rookie outside linebacker Brennan Jackson, who missed most of camp with a soft-tissue injury, was back for his second consecutive padded practice and led off with the second group. Rookie defensive lineman Tyler Davis also joined Jackson on the inside with that group.
• Houston found running lanes with its starting offensive line and Joe Mixon. But the Rams’ young core of pass rushers also got good push on multiple passing plays, including a combination “sack” (the quarterback can’t get hit, obviously) between rookies Jared Verse and Braden Fiske, and defensive linemen Kobie Turner and Bobby Brown III after which Verse’s voice rang out loud and referees jumped into the play just in case of any extracurriculars. The Rams’ first-team defensive line kept up their pressure late into team drills, trying to capitalize when veteran left tackle Laremy Tunsil got rest on the side. Second-year Texans quarterback C.J. Stroud clearly has no hesitation in his connection with Tank Dell, and also hit Mixon on a wheel route up the sideline for a big gain with inside linebacker Ernest Jones in coverage. Jones spent most of the spring and some of training camp recovering from a knee issue, and while he is practicing fully it still bears monitoring. Second-year outside linebacker Byron Young and Turner also combined on a sack in the period I was able to watch (again, I couldn’t view the entire session).
• Though linemen and receivers were definitively challenged by Houston’s talented pass rushers and dynamic secondary, the Rams’ first-team offense still tested several different concepts with a combination of receivers. With Puka Nacua still recovering from a knee injury, McVay has been rotating in veteran Tyler Johnson, second-year player Xavier Smith and rookie Jordan Whittington into the “Nacua” role. Whittington, a former preps star running back, may eventually add an interesting element to the Rams’ run game (they like to use screens and sweeps as an “extension” of their stretch runs) and Whittington continued getting blocking reps as well.
• The Rams went run-heavy in some periods, including a portion of red zone 11-on-11s. Stafford also had two incompletions during a red zone series and so he and Cooper Kupp decided to take matters into their own hands. Kupp ran one of his signature goal-line micro-movements and caught the touchdown from Stafford.
• Tutu Atwell dropped two would-be touchdowns from backup Jimmy Garoppolo in red zone, both balls were well thrown and Atwell worked to pull them in under good coverage by Texans defensive backs. Atwell got one back, though, with a physical touchdown in a later period (also red zone). He held on well after the play as the defender tried to wrestle it from him, and receivers coach Eric Yarber ran across the field to make sure the official was not going to overturn the “touchdown” call — and to uplift Atwell after the earlier incompletions. Several Rams teammates, including an injured Tyler Higbee, did the same. As I have noted, Atwell’s role seems to be as depth behind Demarcus Robinson and in situational concepts, as he splits time between the second and first team.
• Among the cleanest periods for the Rams’ first-team offense Thursday was in a two-minute/late-game drill in which they simulate a long field and a two-point deficit. Stafford hit Johnson, Kupp and Robinson for gains before spiking the ball to stop the clock. The Rams worked on several different clock management scenarios from the Texans’ 34-yard line from there.
• As a programming reminder, the Rams will not play many (if any) key or key depth players in Saturday’s game. Roster cutdown decisions will unfold Sunday, Monday and Tuesday and teams must have their 90-man roster trimmed to 53 players by 1 p.m. PT on Aug. 27.
August 23, 2024 at 2:22 pm #151811znModerator10 Observations from Rams’ joint practice with Texans: Matthew Stafford’s ‘full day’, increasing clarity on Beaux Limmer’s role and more
Stu Jackson
HOUSTON – The Rams conducted their final joint practice of the 2024 preseason on Thursday, doing so with the Texans on their practice fields next to NRG Stadium. Quarterback Matthew Stafford’s “full day” highlighted the session, as well as rookie offensive lineman Beaux Limmer continuing to get tested in a positive way.
Here are 10 things that stood out from the session:
1) Stafford’s “full day”: After participating in about half of team drills in Tuesday’s practice back in Thousand Oaks, Stafford went through all of Thursday’s joint practice.
“Full day for him,” McVay said. “It was good.”
“It was good,” Stafford said of his day. “It was good working against these guys, (they) are really talented defense, really talented team. When you look across the board, offensively and defensively, these guys have a bunch of great players, young talent, mixed in with some good veterans. So it’s good to get some work against them, little bit different than what we see from our defense, so it was good.”
2) Limmer continues to be tested: The sixth-round pick out of Arkansas got reps with Stafford and the first-team offense on Thursday, specifically at center.
This does not mean Limmer will be the starting center over Steve Avila, let’s make that abundantly clear. But it does suggest the Rams may have a role in mind for him. At the very least, they want to see if Avila at left guard and Limmer at center works as the most optimal interior combination compared to Zach Thomas at left guard and Steve Avila at center – as a “just in case” scenario for Jonah Jackson (shoulder); it should be noted Jackson will be worked back in next week and has been participating in individual drills.
Going against the Texans’ experienced interior defensive line – Mario Edwards Jr. has played nine NFL seasons, Folorunso Fatukasi six – was valuable for Limmer’s development.
“He’s done a nice job,” Stafford said of Limmer. “Good command. Obviously, he’s played the position for a long time, understands it, professional snapper of the football. Again, he’s a rookie, it’s learning constantly, and these kind of practices are great for him, right? He goes against our defense, gets looks at our guys over and over again, and you got to come out here and block some of these guys and different looks and jet techniques and all that kind of stuff. So that’s good for him.”
3) Pass rush shows up again, but Stroud still makes plays: One thing that has been constant in these joint practices has been the Rams’ pass rush, and that was the case on Thursday.
One of the most notable moments was when rookie outside linebacker Jared Verse beat Texans left tackle and eight-year NFL veteran Laremy Tunsil for a would-be sack (quarterbacks, as they always do in practice, were wearing red non-contact jerseys). Tunsil is widely regarded as one of the top blindside protectors in the NFL – Trench Warfare’s Brandon Thorn, who analyzes offensive and defensive line play, ranked him as the No. 2 left tackle in the league entering the 2024 season and one of his three elite left tackles.
Outside linebacker Byron Young and nose tackle Kobie Turner also combined for a would-be sack of Stroud in a different period of team drills.
Similar to the joint practices with the Cowboys, there were times Texans quarterback C.J. Stroud was forced to throw the ball away because of pressure and coverage, and other times where he was able to escape or withstand it and complete passes out of structure (meaning, as the pocket broke down) with the ball placement and accuracy that made him the 2023 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.
4) CB4 spot up for grabs: After waiving defensive back Jerry Jacobs with an injury settlement, Thursday’s joint practice and McVay’s comments after indicated there’s still competition for the fourth spot in Los Angeles’ cornerback rotation.
“You look at Tre Tomlinson, you look at Shaun Jolly, guys that have been here,” McVay said. “(Rookies) Josh Wallace and Charles Woods are guys that have really shown well, and so we’ve gotten a lot of reps. And we’ve got safeties that can play some of the nickel corner stuff when you look at Quentin Lake and Russ Yeast. So we’re trying to find the best guys for our secondary and (it’s) starting to come into clarity, but we’ll continue to use these next few days.”
McVay also said Jacobs “had a groin issue,” which is what led to the Rams waiving Jacobs with an injury settlement earlier this week.
5) Nine and dime: Two of Stafford’s best throws came during redzone drills, and both went for touchdowns to Cooper Kupp. The second one was especially impressive given the concentration required of Kupp after making the leaping grab near the left side of the endzone to ensure he got both feet down with little room to do so. Coverage was tight on the second one, too.
6) Texans’ offensive talent offers valuable reps for Rams defensive players: Speaking of Tunsil, that matchup with Verse also illustrated the value of Thursday’s joint practice for the Rams’ young defensive linemen, as well as their defensive backs of all experience levels. Besides Tunsil, the Texans also have nine-year veteran Shaq Mason at right guard, who ranks as Thorn’s No. 2 player at the position entering the 2024 season and one of Thorn’s three elite players there.
As for the Rams’ secondary, a pass-catching corps led by wide receivers Stefon Diggs, Nico Collins, Tank Dell and solid depth behind them, as well as tight end Dalton Schultz, afforded valuable experience too.
While the Rams’ offense is more experienced, the Texans’ defense likewise provided strong talent between cornerback Derek Stingley Jr., safety Jalen Pitre, and outside linebackers Will Anderson Jr. and Danielle Hunter, among others.
7) Kickoff return combo still to be determined: Whoever the Rams have back returning kicks in the new hybrid format remains to be seen, but the combination for that duo in the landing zone continued to be experimented with on Thursday.
8) Boston Scott doesn’t participate: The Rams held the running back out of Thursday’s practice due to a leg contusion, as well as Scott being due for a heavy workload in Saturday’s preseason finale, according to McVay.
9) Make way for Bobby Brown III: One of the best pressures of the day came from the fourth-year defensive tackle on the interior in 11-on-11, which forced Stroud to throw the ball away.
10) Stafford and Stroud get to chop it up: The two quarterbacks spoke with one another after Thursday’s joint practice, and repeated their mutual respect when speaking to the media.
“I’m a huge fan of watching him play,” Stafford said. “Throws the ball with ease, plays with a really calm aggression, which I like.”
August 24, 2024 at 1:10 pm #151816znModeratorGame. Winn starting.
August 24, 2024 at 1:12 pm #151817ZooeyModerator3 and out.
The Rams offense is pathetic. 0-17, here we come.
August 24, 2024 at 1:16 pm #151818Eternal RamnationParticipant- Special teams are definitely better 3-0 Rams
August 24, 2024 at 1:25 pm #151819Eternal RamnationParticipantWinn does not look good 😕
August 24, 2024 at 1:37 pm #151820znModeratorRams D playing its 3s and 4s. They don’t look too bad.
They’re playing against the Rams 2016 starting qb (9 starts)–Case Keenum.
Houston D is deeper than the other 2 teams they played this preseason and so the all 2s OL is not doing as well.
And I concur with ER about the ironically named “Winn.”
August 24, 2024 at 2:07 pm #151821Eternal RamnationParticipantLooks like he’s settled down a little now OL is warmed up Limmer and LG opened a huge hole on the Evans Td.
August 24, 2024 at 2:12 pm #151822znModeratorThe 4th string pass rush not that good.
And Winn did settle down a bit. Limmer’s the real deal.
August 24, 2024 at 3:12 pm #151823Eternal RamnationParticipantCameron McCutcheon has some nice pass break ups
August 24, 2024 at 6:27 pm #151825znModeratorFive Takeaways from Rams’ 17-15 preseason loss to Texans: Lots of action for Dresser Winn
Stu Jackson
HOUSTON – Although the Rams fell to the Texans 17-15 on Saturday at NRG Stadium, there was still plenty to observe, especially when it came to players’ expected roles and roster statuses ahead of Tuesday’s initial 53-man roster deadline.
Here are five takeaways from the contest:
1) With Bennett established as QB2 for first two games, Winn gets all the reps vs. Texans: Rams head coach Sean McVay announced on the ABC7 broadcast pregame that Stetson Bennett would serve as the Rams’ backup while Jimmy Garoppolo served his suspension the first two weeks of the season, it was Dresser Winn who led the offense for the entirety of Saturday’s game. Bennett dresed but did not play.
Winn completed 9 of 16 pass attempts for 72 yards; he also rushed three times for 20 yards.
2) No action for Omar Speights: Undrafted free agent signee Omar Speights didn’t play on Saturday, but for good reason – general manager Les Snead on the ABC7 broadcast confirmed Speights not only made the 53-man roster, but “as of now” the 48 (the gameday roster; 48 is the maximum number of gameday actives). Thus, they took a precautionary approach with his health.
“We didn’t want to subject him to a possible injury because we could be relying on him on Sunday Night Football,” Snead said on the broadcast.
3) Extended looks at Zach Evans and Boston Scott: Both running backs were close to an equal split in terms of carries on Saturday as they handled the majority of those snaps.
Evans posted 14 carries for 45 yards and two touchdowns; Scott 11 carries for 34 yards.
4) Brennan Jackson sees the field for the first time this preseason: Having dealt with a soft issue injury that sidelined him from practice until recently plus the first two preseason games, Brennan Jackson got the start in his preseason debut on Saturday.
5) Rare miss for Joshua Karty: The rookie kicker’s extra point attempt following Evans’ 4-yard touchdown run his first missed extra point of the preseason.
August 24, 2024 at 9:19 pm #151828znModeratorJim Youngblood 53@53_jim70721
Watching Brennan Jackson’s snaps — first time we’ve seen him. He did well. Drew at least 2 triple teams … and overall good. Wish he’d get a little more wiggle, a counter move on rush but he’s strong and fast and a little bit nasty. Will make plays for Rams this year
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Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Yes, it’s the caveat of the preseason – but the fact that the Rams reserve OL looks pretty solid with so many starters dealing with injuries is a credit to position coach Ryan Wendell in just his second season, and to asst. OL coach Zak Kromer + consultant Mike Munchak.August 25, 2024 at 11:50 am #151838Eternal RamnationParticipantTurns out Limmer didn’t play I don’t know who it was but the Rams are suddenly deep very deep on the OL.
August 25, 2024 at 12:43 pm #151840znModeratorTurns out Limmer didn’t play I don’t know who it was but the Rams are suddenly deep very deep on the OL.
Ah. Thanks for the info.
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