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October 6, 2016 at 9:05 pm #54674
znModeratorThis stat is measured differently by different people.
Here’s one where big plays passing are any that are over 25 yards, and they don’t distinguish between RAC or just the ball in the air. So it’s ANYTHING that gains more than 25 yards on a passing play.
It’s STATS LLC. I happen to use the Washington Post to get their stats. It’s here: http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=118&type=Passing
Well okay so where do the Rams rank in terms of what Stats LLC calls “Big Play Passes.”
They’re 8th in the NFL with 9. (And that’s 4th in the NFC.)
That;s ahead of Luck, Eli, Palmer, Flacco, Newton, Bradford, Rodgers, and Wentz.
October 6, 2016 at 11:48 pm #54677
sanbaggerParticipantI think that ranking is a little higher than they really deserve.
The bad guys are selling out to stop Gurley and TA…stacking the box and playing 9-11 guys within 10 yds of the LOS daring CK to beat them deep.
I think the O is starting to feel it a little now, as in OK if that’s what you want to do we’re gonna make you pay.
The big worry though is the O-line sustaining their blocks. Those long pass plays take time and the other teams feel they can get to CK before he can unleash it….so, it’s gonna be a combination of better play from the O-line and CK delivering accurate passes because they are gonna be there.
October 7, 2016 at 12:35 am #54688znModeratorI think that ranking is a little higher than they really deserve.
The bad guys are selling out to stop Gurley and TA…stacking the box and playing 9-11 guys within 10 yds of the LOS daring CK to beat them deep.
I think the O is starting to feel it a little now, as in OK if that’s what you want to do we’re gonna make you pay.
The big worry though is the O-line sustaining their blocks. Those long pass plays take time and the other teams feel they can get to CK before he can unleash it….so, it’s gonna be a combination of better play from the O-line and CK delivering accurate passes because they are gonna be there.
You know, last year, before teams did this super-stack thing against them, the Rams were still throwing big passing plays, and a fair number too.
They have their share of long passes this year too…more than most teams. It’s actually a Rams thing to do that.
10.9% of their attempts have been for 21 yards or more.
5% of their attempts have been for 31 yards or more.
Compare that to say Ryan.
8.7% of Ryan’s attempts have been for 21 yards or more.
4.37% of Ryan’s attempts have been for 31 yards or more.
Keenum has always been an active and good long passer. Throwing 5% for 31 yards or more btw is a figure that would put the Rams in the top third of the league. Rams qbs have been at around 5% for more a couple of years now, regardless who the qb is.
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October 7, 2016 at 6:32 am #54694
wvParticipantI think that ranking is a little higher than they really deserve.
The bad guys are selling out to stop Gurley and TA…stacking the box and playing 9-11 guys within 10 yds of the LOS daring CK to beat them deep.
I think the O is starting to feel it a little now, as in OK if that’s what you want to do we’re gonna make you pay.
The big worry though is the O-line sustaining their blocks. Those long pass plays take time and the other teams feel they can get to CK before he can unleash it….so, it’s gonna be a combination of better play from the O-line and CK delivering accurate passes because they are gonna be there.
You know, last year, before teams did this super-stack thing against them, the Rams were still throwing big passing plays, and a fair number too.
They have their share of long passes this year too…more than most teams. It’s actually a Rams thing to do that.
10.9% of their attempts have been for 21 yards or more.
5% of their attempts have been for 31 yards or more.
Compare that to say Ryan.
8.7% of Ryan’s attempts have been for 21 yards or more.
4.37% of Ryan’s attempts have been for 31 yards or more.
Keenum has always been an active and good long passer. Throwing 5% for 31 yards or more btw is a figure that would put the Rams in the top third of the league. Rams qbs have been at around 5% for more a couple of years now, regardless who the qb is.
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It may be that Keenum is just better at ‘lofty’ passes than ‘straight-line’ medium-long power-passes.
Could be that he has a good ‘feel’ of long-lofties and just enough arm-strength when he can set his feet to be a good long-lofty-passer.
But without the cannon-arm, he may not be a very good straight-line power-passer which would affect the medium-long passing game. I dunno.
But thats what it looks like to me. Kindof an odd thing. He looks to me like he can throw long better than medium-long.
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vOctober 7, 2016 at 6:54 am #54696
nittany ramModeratorwv said:
Could be that he has a good ‘feel’ of long-lofties and just enough arm-strength when he can set his feet to be a good long-lofty-passer.
Yeah, being a good deep passer is more about timing (when the ball is released) and accuracy than about arm strength. I don’t have the numbers but, for example, I bet Joe Montana hit on a higher percentage of deep throws than Brett Favre.
October 7, 2016 at 10:16 am #54702sanbaggerParticipantAre those stats completions or attempts? Would be interesting to compare completions on the long ball from last year to this year. It seems to me they are having more success this year.
October 7, 2016 at 11:10 am #54704znModeratorAre those stats completions or attempts? Would be interesting to compare completions on the long ball from last year to this year. It seems to me they are having more success this year.
Keenum 2015 v. Keenum 2016.
2015. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 36%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 33%.
2016. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 50%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 40%.On 31 or more yards, whenever I look at this, I consider 30% to be minimally decent, 40% to be good, and 50% or more to be very good.
October 7, 2016 at 11:20 am #54706znModeratorAre those stats completions or attempts? Would be interesting to compare completions on the long ball from last year to this year. It seems to me they are having more success this year.
Keenum 2015 v. Keenum 2016.
2015. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 36%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 33%.
2016. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 50%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 40%.On 31 or more yards, whenever I look at this, I consider 30% to be minimally decent, 40% to be good, and 50% or more to be very good.
As long as we’re doing this…Tyrod Taylor, 2016.
2016. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 28.5%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 22%.
October 7, 2016 at 1:41 pm #54707nittany ramModeratorAre those stats completions or attempts? Would be interesting to compare completions on the long ball from last year to this year. It seems to me they are having more success this year.
Keenum 2015 v. Keenum 2016.
2015. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 36%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 33%.
2016. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 50%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 40%.On 31 or more yards, whenever I look at this, I consider 30% to be minimally decent, 40% to be good, and 50% or more to be very good.
As long as we’re doing this…Tyrod Taylor, 2016.
2016. On passes of 21 yards or more, cp is 28.5%. On passes of 31 yards or more, cp is 22%.
So what you’re saying is Tyrod Taylor isn’t fit to hold Case Keenum’s jock strap.
October 8, 2016 at 1:17 am #54727znModeratorfrom Film Room: The 3-1 Rams
link: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/film-room-the-3-1-rams/
The Rams have eight passing plays that gained 30 or more yards this season, all eight coming in the past three games. Per Pro Football Reference, only three teams have more 30-plus-yard passing plays for the whole season. Keenum has gained 330 yards — exactly 40 percent of his season total of 825 — on those eight plays. Surprisingly, only three of those plays have come after play-action to Gurley (or any running back on the roster).
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