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April 25, 2024 at 10:22 pm #150317znModerator
A pick has been made: The #Rams are drafting Florida State DE Jared Verse with their first 1st-round pick in forever. Defense for Sean McVay. pic.twitter.com/RvUDPGHXtQ
— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) April 26, 2024
April 25, 2024 at 10:27 pm #150319znModeratorHEIGHT6’ 4’’WEIGHT254 lbsARM33 1/2’’HAND9 7/8’’,By Lance Zierlein
Draft Projection
Round 1
NFL Comparison
LaMarr WoodleyOverview
Talented edge defender with the field demeanor, athleticism and skill set to rack up statistics in key categories fairly early in his NFL career. Verse dominated at Albany and then showed an ability to do the same at Florida State. He’s twitchy and compact, with explosiveness featured at the point of attack and in his upfield burst as a pass rusher. He’s great with his hands and does a nice job of diagnosing plays quickly and staying out of the clinches of offensive linemen looking to snatch him up. Verse’s ability to threaten the edge only bolsters his hellish speed-to-power bull-rushing ability to run tackles deep into the pocket. He can play up or down and should be in consideration for all defensive schemes looking to add a safe, high-impact edge.
Strengths
Thrives with winning first step and unstoppable energy.
Quick to close distance and mitigate his length disadvantage.
Controls bigger blockers at the point with leverage, hands and power.
Instincts allow for rapid diagnosis and attack of play development.
Advanced GPS into the pocket, with multiple available rush routes.
Uses sudden, combative hand work to beat the punch and grease the edge.
Bend and strength to corner tightly to passer at efficient angles.
Instantly converts his twitchy get-off into a menacing bull rush.Weaknesses
Lacks ideal size and length that teams covet.
Unable to anchor deep when drive blockers get into him.
Below-average footwork and wrap-up leads to missed tackles.
Offensive tackles stall his rush plan with a firm punch.
Has moments where rush wears down against size.Sources Tell Us
“He really sees the game well and he’s got the athleticism to go with it. I think he’ll be one of the best defensive players to come out of this draft.” – NFC executive
April 25, 2024 at 10:29 pm #150320canadaramParticipant<header>
Jared Verse ER/DL Florida St
by Drew Boylhart • 2024-01-29 January 29, 2024
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STRENGTHS
Jared reminds me a lot of former New Jersey Giants ER Justin Tuck. He is a power pass rusher using leverage, explosiveness, and effort to defeat his blocker. Jared is strong against the run and can set the edge. He changes the line of scrimmage in his favor on almost every play, and that means he is in the backfield, and around the ball in any down-and-distance situation. Jared is strong enough with good bulk and explosiveness from a three-point stance, to be moved inside on passing downs allowing teams to get another pass rusher on the field. He is a team player but if your team needs a sack, and the coaches tell this dog to hunt…this dog will hunt and not stop until he gets his prey.CONCERNS
Jared is more explosive off the line and has better leverage to defeat his blocker from a three-point stance instead of standing up. Standing up he struggles to defeat the blocker and double teams, giving up his chest and leverage off the snap of the ball. From a three-point stance, he fires out with the explosiveness needed to defeat single or double blockers. This will affect Jared’s draft status with the teams that prefer an Edge Rusher who can work from any stance and any style of defensive front.BOTTOM LINE: 1.54
Jared is a plug-and-play 4/3 defensive end very much like Justin Tucker was. If you stood Justin Tucker up, he struggled to pressure the quarterback. That being said, you put Justin Tucker in a three-point stance and he was like a hurricane coming off the edge making teams call in Homeland Security to deal with the aftermath. Jared Verse is that same style of player. The type of player that doesn’t turn the corner to pressure the quarterback when coming off the edge, they destroy the corner and scare the living crap out of the quarterback when they come off the edge. I’m profiling Jared as a ten to eleven sacks a year Edge Rusher, with the ability to stop the run, and have numerous tackles behind the line of scrimmage for about 8 years in a row. A coach’s favorite, a teammate’s favorite, and a fan’s favorite. That being said, he most likely will not receive that many NFL awards just like Justin Tuck did not. Nevertheless, Justin Tuck is a two-time Super Bowl Champion…enough said. For you younger Draftniks, think of Chiefs George Karlaftis who no one but the fans, coaches, and teammates appreciated this year.- This reply was modified 6 months, 3 weeks ago by canadaram.
April 25, 2024 at 10:35 pm #150323znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueThe Rams are picking FSU OLB Jared Verse – a rare combination of massive need and one of their favorite players in the class. They were prepared to potentially trade out but the board fell uniquely – luck helps. Their first first-round pick since 2016, and a defensive player..Jared Verse says this is a “dream come true.” Kobie Turner has already reached out..Stu Jackson@StuJRamsDefensive coordinator Chris Shula and outside linebackers coach Joe Coniglio both pumped after the pick. Could hear and feel that energy throughout the draft house after it was made.Rams Brothers@RamsBrothersWhat we really liked initially about Jared Verse was his ability to rush with his hand in the dirt, and standing up. Physical edge setter in the run game. Speed and power combo. All around really good f*cking player and more polished than Chop Robinson..Cameron DaSilva@camdasilvaThe Rams filled their biggest roster hole without trading up or reaching for a guy. I LOVE the pick of Jared Verse. Thought he’d have gone earlier..Rams Brothers@RamsBrothersHow insanely pumped must Chris Shula be right now? Jared Verse had 29 TFL and 18 sacks in 25 games for FSU. Also, from everything we’ve read, he’s a really good human being and fits the Aaron Donald “care factor” mold..Rams Brothers@RamsBrothersJared Verse, per Dane Brugler’s the Beast: “Verse is as disruptive as anyone in this class. Because of his explosive get-off, power through his frame and NFL-quality hand use. His physical traits and competitive football temperament give him a high floor as an NFL starter.”.Stu Jackson@StuJRamsByron Young’s speed + Jared Verse’s power generated? Sign me up.Verse is fast, too, power generated = speed to power.Blaine Grisak @bgrisakTSTByron Young and Jared Verse should be able to complement each other really well. Got more of a speed guy with Young and Verse adds some more strength on the other side. Add Turner in the middle? Defensive pass rush has a vision..Elvis
There has never been that many QBs or offensive players taken at the start/top of a draft ever.
Good day to need defense..
April 25, 2024 at 10:47 pm #150324znModeratorOn the way to improving to 13-0 and winning the ACC title, we broke the ACC Championship Game record with 1⃣4⃣ TFLs#NoleFamily | #KeepCLIMBing pic.twitter.com/6Z41tQp4x0
— FSU Football (@FSUFootball) December 7, 2023
April 25, 2024 at 10:48 pm #150325znModeratorLos Angeles Rams draft Jared Verse: How he fits, pick grade and scouting intel
By Eric Single and Jourdan Rodrigue.The Los Angeles Rams selected Florida State edge rusher Jared Verse with the No. 19 pick in Thursday’s first round of the NFL Draft.
Verse, who started his college career at the FCS level with Albany before transferring up and starring for the Seminoles, will now bring his electric suite of pass-rush skills to the Rams’ defensive front.
Verse left high school as a tight end and channeled that athleticism to dominate on the defensive line at Albany, earning FCS Freshman All-America honors before hitting the transfer portal and joining Mike Norvell’s rebuild in Tallahassee.
He made an immediate impact, with two key sacks and a blocked field goal in the Seminoles’ Week 1 win against LSU in New Orleans. That kick-started the first of Verse’s two nine-sack seasons for the Seminoles, who went undefeated in 2023. Having proved everything he needed to at college football’s top level, Verse joined the long list of FSU opt-outs ahead of the Noles’ 63-3 Orange Bowl loss to Georgia.
‘The Beast’ breakdown
Verse ranked No. 20 in Dane Brugler’s Top 300 big board. Here’s what Brugler had to say about him in his annual NFL Draft guide:
“When he channels his relentless energy, Verse is as disruptive as anyone in this class, because of his explosive get-off, power through his frame and NFL-quality hand use. His physical traits and competitive football temperament give him a high floor as an NFL starter (reminiscent of eight-year NFL veteran Dante Fowler).”
Coaching intel
Here’s what two anonymous coaches had to say about Verse in Bruce Feldman’s mock draft:
“His assimilation of making the jump from Albany to Florida State was impressive. He’s very smart. He’s got a chip on his shoulder.”
“He’s very physical. He gets after people in the run game. Has some mitts and uses those hands well. He’s an explosive athlete and has good burst. Plays like he’s always trying to prove he belongs in big-time football.”
And here’s what a scout told Feldman in his draft confidential.
“I like Verse a little better (than Dallas Turner). He plays harder and has a better feel for it. Verse has great upper body strength. Can go speed to power. Ran 4.58. He is a little bit stiffer and doesn’t bend the corner as well, though.”
Why he’s a first-round pick
Verse’s size-speed combo translated seamlessly against Power 5 competition, underscoring why he was one of the most coveted players in the transfer portal after the 2021 season. He bookended his time on the national college football stage at FSU with sacks in highly visible, clutch situations: a near game-clincher on the final drive of the 2022 thriller against LSU and a pair of drive-killers in the 2023 ACC championship game win against Louisville.
By the end of his career, Verse’s role had morphed from breakout star to one of several dangerous members of the Noles’ defensive front, offering a preview of the impact he might make at the next level even before he develops into an NFL defense’s primary weapon.
Mike Sando’s assessment
Three of the six NFL execs I polled at the combine had Verse going in the top 10. Verse winds up going to the Rams at 19 as the fourth defensive player in this class.
How he fits
Verse will start immediately for the Rams, in the vacant spot opposite second-year player Byron Young. The Rams have needed another outside linebacker for more than a season, and Verse’s power in tandem with Young’s speed could be a force for a pass rush that is entering a new era minus Donald.
Rookie impact
Verse should be expected to start right away. The Rams had an issue with complementary pressure in 2023, without another strong presence on the edge.
Depth-chart impact
Verse will get the benefit of also playing alongside interior defensive lineman Kobie Turner, who led all rookies in sacks last season (9.5). The attention Turner can command on the inside makes opportunities better for Verse and Young, and vice versa.
They also could have picked ….
The Rams really liked Dallas Turner, who surprisingly fell into the teens as a record-setting run on offensive players unfolded to start the round. They called other teams about trading up or back, including getting a price assessment on what it would take to get into the top 10 (for an offensive player). They could have traded back and were prepared to do so just in case the board didn’t fall to them, but getting one of their top-ranked overall prospects in Verse meant staying put.
Fast evaluation
Because of the unique way the board fell in the first round, the Rams were able to combine a massive need with their favorite player still available on the board in Verse. That’s rare luck. Verse will be an immediate impact player under second-year coach Joe Coniglio.
April 25, 2024 at 10:48 pm #150326canadaramParticipantOURLADS
9.58 Verse, Jared|Florida State| Dayton, OH| Proj Rd. 1
Height: 6037|Weight: 254| 40:4.58|Arm: 3312|Hand:0978|Wingspan:7912
Three year starter.First-team All-ACC the past two years, consensus first-team All-America and Florida State defensive MVP in 2022 and 2023. Above average length with a frame that plays well on the edge. Somewhat high cut which can inhibit quick change of direction. Powerful and athletic with an explosive first step and outstanding chase ability. Plays with a high motor and is relentless in pursuit teams have to scheme to account for his quickness and speed. Shows solid bend and squeeze to get around the corner along with agility to adjust a quarterback movement. Has a wide variety of past Rush moves, including a bull rush into a move arm under spin, push pull and cross chop. Quickness and agility allow him to counter inside versus oversetting tackles. Moves well, laterally and has range to chase down perimeter runs. Has knee and ankle band to get under tackles and drive them back on a bull rush or separating from a block playing the run. Not the most instinctive playing the run as he is vulnerable to blocks coming from the inside. Has a tendency to get too far up field opening up a running lane. May lack ideal flexibility as at times he can get stalemated upright versus a powerful tackle. Will also run around blocks at times losing gap control. Had a somewhat slow start last fall and has shown some inconsistency with some quiet times early in the season. Came on strong as the season progressed and demonstrated elite prospect, skill, and production. Has what NFL teams want in an edge defender. 2023 Stats: 41 T, 12.5 TFL, 9 sacks, 3 PBU, 11 QBH, 1 FF, 1 BK. OSR: 1/41.
Me: FWIW, Ourlads has Verse as their first ranked edge rusher, followed by Turner, Chip Robinson and Latu. My personal favourite, Darius Robinson is number 6.
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April 25, 2024 at 10:57 pm #150328InvaderRamModeratori don’t know what to think. i think i preferred chop robinson. and some reports i’ve read say he’s a 4-3 de more than a stand up edge rusher.
but he may be more polished than robinson which is probably what the rams need more at this point.
i’m still hopeful that the rams can add another front seven player in the first three rounds.
April 25, 2024 at 11:01 pm #150329InvaderRamModeratori also should say i don’t think the first round could have unfolded any better for the rams. i almost preferred that they traded back. lots of good defensive players still available.
April 25, 2024 at 11:42 pm #150330znModeratorA rugged, physical football player. 😤
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— Los Angeles Rams (@RamsNFL) April 26, 2024
April 25, 2024 at 11:44 pm #150331znModeratorJared Verse was drafted with pick 19 of round 1 in the 2024 draft class. He scored a 9.60 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 73 out of 1798 DE from 1987 to 2024. https://t.co/oBAispWUHn pic.twitter.com/w48aTK13Ge
— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) April 26, 2024
April 26, 2024 at 12:00 am #150332znModeratorApril 26, 2024 at 12:07 am #150333znModeratorfrom Dane Brugler, “The Beast” 2024 NFL Draft Guide.
… blue-collar background and has a strong support system built on hard work (added 40 pounds of muscle during the pandemic to move to the defensive line) … great teammate and quickly created a legacy in Tallahassee…. As a pass rusher, Verse can win with speed or power and flashes violence in his hands to break down the rhythm of blockers. He sets a physical edge in the run game and is always around the football, because of his awareness, effort and fierce play personality. Overall, when he channels his relentless energy, Verse is as disruptive as anyone in this class, because of his explosive get-off, power through his frame and NFL-quality hand use. His physical traits and competitive football temperament give him a high floor as an NFL starter (reminiscent of eight-year NFL veteran Dante Fowler).
April 26, 2024 at 12:12 am #150334znModeratorApril 26, 2024 at 12:59 am #150335InvaderRamModeratori gotta say he doesn’t look too athletic. his game is pure speed and power. latu looks way more athletic as does chop robinson.
i dunno. i’m not as high in this pick as others. especially with all the defensive players available. maybe they shoulda traded down.
April 26, 2024 at 1:38 am #150336znModeratori dunno. i’m not as high in this pick as others. especially with all the defensive players available. maybe they shoulda traded down.
I like what I see and hear with Verse. He’s not a Miller, Mack, or Parsons. Though if he were, he wouldn’t have been there at 19. He is though a pro-ready pass rusher whose talent has more to do with power than with bendy edge-rush magic. He’s like a Kevin Greene with more speed-to-power violence in him. He also has some position versatility which means that the Rams will likely work on scheming in a pass rush on obvious passing downs by moving Turner and Verse all over the place.
They won’t be replacing AD with another “the one guy” type guy…it will have to be a collection of good players made effective by scheming and by constantly surprising the offense (making the offense ask, who do we focus on? who’s coming this down and from where?). Verse is one more step in that direction though they need a couple more too.
That’s Verse on the left of the pic, closing in on a sack:
April 26, 2024 at 1:57 am #150337Eternal RamnationParticipantBest 1st round pick in 8 years! I’m no draft guru but I think this is a great pick. Dude is strong!
April 26, 2024 at 6:31 am #150338canadaramParticipantNew Rams edge rusher Jared Verse said he had a zoom call a few years ago with Aaron Donald set up by Albany HC Greg Gattuso, who coached Donald eat Pittsburgh. Verse said he’s embracing the pressure to help fill the void left by Donald. pic.twitter.com/cojZM8VTqk
— Eric Williams (@eric_d_williams) April 26, 2024
April 26, 2024 at 6:38 am #150341canadaramParticipantAt the 2022 Cheez-it Bowl
Jared Verse dominated the Cheez-It Bowl for Florida State… ends it with a sack on this nasty speed-to-power.
He was part of three sacks tonight plus a massive TFL. That’s a first-round pick in the 2023 NFL Draft if he declares. Stud status for the Albany transfer. pic.twitter.com/vG0JHYXdsC
— Bobby Football (@Rob__Paul) December 30, 2022
Florida State’s Jared Verse is one of my fav prospects in the 2023 NFL Draft… don’t leave him unblocked because he’s just so explosive.
Already has two key pressures to go with this massive TFL in the first half of the Cheez-It Bowl. pic.twitter.com/VCubmixx5b
— Bobby Football (@Rob__Paul) December 29, 2022
April 26, 2024 at 6:44 am #150343canadaramParticipantFlorida State's Jared Verse emerged as one of college football's top talents last season, but what are his prospects for the NFL? @MoveTheSticks provides his initial scouting report on the edge rusher.https://t.co/QuUDROKWdg pic.twitter.com/7O5Tnt8eKW
— NFL Draft (@NFLDraft) July 7, 2023
April 26, 2024 at 6:49 am #150344canadaramParticipantI tried doing the post-and-edit-in a comment thing with my links and a post disappeared. 🤷♂️
April 26, 2024 at 7:06 am #150345wvParticipantzn said Kevin Greene. I think thats the right comparison. The projection, the hope.
I dont think he’s a ‘sure thing’ at the NFL level. Just have to wait and see, i guess.
They need to draft a DT named Vice, now.
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April 26, 2024 at 8:33 am #150349znModeratorI tried doing the post-and-edit-in a comment thing with my links and a post disappeared.
Near as I can tell it’s all fixed.
BTW in those tweets, the date stamp was at the bottom. Saying that refers back to what I said before about getting the best URL. Where ever the date or time stamp is–top or bottom of a tweet–clicking that puts the right URL in your address bar. Sry the board is twitchy for you but I can keep up fixing things. 😎
April 26, 2024 at 9:02 am #150351znModerator19. Los Angeles Rams: Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida State
- Grade: A
The Rams needed to find a way to upgrade their pass rush in the wake of Aaron Donald’s retirement and with Murphy off the board, they had to go outside linebacker for Chris Shula’s defense, getting a nice complement to their second-year rising star, Byron Young. Verse should remain productive right away in their scheme.
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from https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-draft-picks-grades-and-analysis
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19. Los Angeles Rams: Jared Verse, Edge, Florida State
Rang: While Aaron Donald’s retirement certainly created a massive hole in the middle of the Rams’ defense, there isn’t a player in this draft (or many others) as gifted as the future Hall of Famer. Adding juice to the Rams’ pass rush on the outside makes perfect sense, especially when they play the run as passionately and effectively as Verse. Powerful and intense, Verse brings talent and leadership to a defense looking for some stars to step up.…
19. Los Angeles Rams: Jared Verse, DE, Florida State – Grade: B+
Things sure fell into place nicely for Los Angeles as it looks to reconfigure its pass rush after Aaron Donald’s retirement. Verse isn’t the most pliable threat off the edge, but he ticks almost every other box for a player who will create consistent havoc for opposing quarterbacks. With Verse, Kobie Turner and Byron Young, the Rams have several long-term building blocks one year after it looked like the defense was devoid of any outside of Donald.
…from https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-grades-all-32-first-round-picks
R1 (19) LOS ANGELES RAMS: ED JARED VERSE, FLORIDA STATE
Pick Grade: Very Good
The Rams desperately needed edge help, and they select arguably the best power rusher in the class. Verse burst onto the scene over the past two years at Florida State, ranking second among Power Five edge rushers in pass-rush win rate. The Rams use their highest selection since 2016 to reset their pass rush after Aaron Donald‘s retirement.
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from https://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades_1.php
- Los Angeles Rams: Jared Verse, DE, Florida State – B- Grade
It has to be disappointing for the Rams that they couldn’t get Byron Murphy. It makes sense though that they would target a front-seven player because their offense is so explosive. I’m not crazy about this pick because Jared Verse isn’t close to the other two edge rushers who were chosen earlier, yet he’s being taken so close to them. I don’t hate this pick – Verse likely belonged in the 20s – but it’s a bit underwhelming for a team that hadn’t drafted in the first round since 2016.
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from https://theathletic.com/5436808/2024/04/25/nfl-draft-grades-2024-round-1/
19. Los Angeles Rams: Jared Verse, Edge, Florida State
The Rams lost Aaron Donald, one of the greatest defensive linemen in NFL history, and needed to find some way to replace him. Verse likely won’t equal what Donald brought (nor would anyone else), but he was a nice choice for a team that hadn’t made a first-round pick since 2016. Chop Robinson might be more explosive with a higher upside, but Verse was more productive in college.
A workmanlike technician with a motor, Verse (6-4, 254) became an All-American after beginning his career at Albany as a no-star recruit. He played three seasons in the FCS (including one as a redshirt), then transferred to Florida State and posted back-to-back nine-sack seasons. Although he may not wow observers physically, Verse boasts one of this class’ top work ethics, which will serve him well in the NFL.
Grade: B
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19. Rams: Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida State
Grade: B+The Rams patiently wait and end up with one of the best pass rushers in this draft. This fills a major need and will help compensate for the loss of Aaron Donald on the inside.
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from https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/25/2024-nfl-draft-first-round-pick-grades
19. Los Angeles Rams | Jared Verse, Edge, Florida State
Rookie contract: Four years, $14.9 millionAfter three years with the Albany Great Danes, Verse transferred to the Seminoles and was excellent in Tallahassee. Over two seasons with Florida State, he posted nine sacks in each campaign while totaling 29.5 tackles for loss.
At 6’4″ and 254 pounds, Verse has ideal size for an edge rusher. Look for his athleticism to be a huge part of his game early before adding moves to his pass-rushing arsenal.
Grade: A-
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April 26, 2024 at 10:11 am #150354znModeratorSosa Kremenjas@QBsMVPJared Verse feels very Ryan Kerrigan-y to me. Safe, solid power-based rusher with a good arsenal of moves + enough raw strength to work his game off his bullrush.J.B. Long@JB_Long“We’re looking for grown men on defense.” -Sean McVay on @RamsNFLnew Edge Jared Verse.Rams Brothers@RamsBrothersMcVay made an interesting comment in his and Les’ presser towards the end. Jared Verse will obviously start at OLB/edge in their base defense, but has the versatility to switch up and go against interior players (presumably at 3T). He’s going to be a problem. Love them picks..HoldenCantor@HoldenCantorI gotta be honest, I did not think at any point before the draft that Jared Verse would be there at 19. Rams are a much better team than they were a few days ago. LFG.Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTST
The thing with Verse is…had he entered the draft last year, he would have been a first round pick. Had 9 sacks last year with the Seminoles.Returned to FSU. Led a top defense in the country and leader of a team that went undefeated.
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Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue“Told you guys we weren’t gonna go offense!” – Sean McVayApril 26, 2024 at 10:13 am #150355znModeratorI dont think he’s a ‘sure thing’ at the NFL level. Just have to wait and see, i guess.
What you don’t appreciate is the fact that Verse is a CEO style pass rusher.
(That joke is likely way too obscure for most here).
April 26, 2024 at 10:48 am #150356ZooeyModeratorThey need to draft a DT named Vice, now.
I was thinking a guy named Chapter.
April 26, 2024 at 11:08 am #150357InvaderRamModeratorhe was very effective rushing the passer according to these metrics. right up there with latu and robinson.
we’ll see.
Notable EDGE prospects career pressure rates and weighted pass rush grades. We’re in a pass protection epidemic but this draft class still has some juice. pic.twitter.com/otB9WNCRzF
— Football Insights 📊 (@fball_insights) April 4, 2024
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April 26, 2024 at 11:08 am #150358ZooeyModerator“He’s a much better version of Kayvon Thibodeaux…”
High praise for FSU DE Jared Verse from @GregCosell: pic.twitter.com/WVUK2zUFOm
— Ross Tucker Podcast (@RossTuckerPod) April 24, 2024
April 26, 2024 at 11:20 am #150364InvaderRamModeratorhey if he’s a much better version of thibodeaux, there won’t be any complaints from me.
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