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May 1, 2021 at 12:53 pm #129444AgamemnonParticipantMay 1, 2021 at 1:04 pm #129446znModerator
BOBBY BROWN III
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/bobby-brown-iii/R63QuMzjzN
IDL, Texas A&M
CONF SEC – West
CLASS Junior
HT 6’4″
WT 315 lbsBobby Brown III is an interior defender that’s built like a brick house. He possesses a very mature body that helps him maintain leverage as a run defender on the interior. He’s proven to anchor well and has the lower-body strength to stand pat at the point of attack. Brown III does everything that you can ask a run defender to do on the interior of the first level. While he isn’t a big sack artist, he has the ability to create pressure strictly off of gaining penetration with his natural strength. Playing mainly the 1-technique, he has gained lots of experience against double teams. He’s routinely able to use his mature frame, power, and short-area quickness to create quick wins along the interior. While his value mainly shows up pre-third down, his presence in the middle causes constant problems for offenses when his motor constantly runs. On/off-ness is the biggest weakness associated with Brown III’s game, especially as a pass rusher. There are times where he appears lackadaisical and won’t give much as a pass rusher when he’s shown to be much more consistent beforehand. He turns into a ball swatter instead of first trying to get pressure on the QB. His three-down value will always be a constant debate due to his motor and it leaves a lot to be desired because of the potential that he has shown in spurts with doing so.
Ideal Role: Developmental 1-technique.
Scheme Fit: 1-technique in a 4-3 defensive front.
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May 1, 2021 at 1:08 pm #129447PA RamParticipantMy favorite pick so far. Seems athletic and has size and is a need.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
May 1, 2021 at 1:17 pm #129448HramParticipantBig fella
May 1, 2021 at 7:27 pm #129477InvaderRamModeratorhis size length and athleticism are all top notch.
and i just read he doesn’t even turn 21 until august.
i think this guy is a potential steal.
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May 1, 2021 at 7:34 pm #129484AgamemnonParticipantMay 1, 2021 at 7:35 pm #129485JackPMillerParticipantJust to let you know, it is not this Bobby Brown. He just happens to have the same name.
May 1, 2021 at 8:28 pm #129506canadaramParticipantFrom Ourlads
Junior entry, two-year starter, from Arlington, TX. Earned first-team All ACC honors in 2020. Started to break out a bit down the stretch in the shortened 2020 season, showing dominant athletic traits. Has an enormously wide frame that carries 320+ lbs with ease. The movement in space can be downright scary. The amount of force that he can create on contact is not common. His techniques and reaction times just aren’t there yet. Enormous square frame. Plays long and wide with surprising speed and burst. A comfortable mover in space that can get all over the field with balance and control. Ideal ability to bend at the knees and play with a wide base. Takes up a lot of space inside, showing the ability to two-gap. Has a strong lockout game when his techniques are lined up. Has the ability to make a difference athletically. Natural combination of size, strength and speed with a developing skillset. Different level of force on contact when he has a head of steam. Slow off the ball. Delayed reactions and doesn’t shoot out of his stance. Has too much softness in his game, notably off the snap. Needs to play angry more often. Hands aren’t twitchy. Seems to lack awareness and dedication to technique. Too reliant on talent and space, needs to get more effective in traffic. Lacked production. Fourth/fifth round.
May 1, 2021 at 8:56 pm #129517InvaderRamModeratorHis techniques and reaction times just aren’t there yet.
and he’s only 20 years old. you’d expect those things to improve as he gets older.
May 3, 2021 at 11:41 pm #129644InvaderRamModeratoralso. his 10 yd split was 1.68.
phenomenal for a player his size.
May 6, 2021 at 8:40 pm #129714znModeratorGet to know Bobby Brown III
Stu Jackson
https://www.therams.com/news/get-to-know-bobby-brown-iii
The Rams used their third selection in the 2021 NFL Draft on Texas A&M defensive tackle Bobby Brown III, who was chosen in the fourth round, 117th overall.
Here’s what you should know about him:
1) Made an immediate impact when he arrived at Texas A&M
A consensus four-star recruit (247 Sports, Rivals and ESPN), Brown finished his 2018 true freshman season in College Station appearing in all 13 games and making 14 total tackles (one for loss).
That production and what he showed on tape earned him a spot on the All-SEC Freshman Team that year, as well as the team’s Top Defensive Newcomer award. It also later paved the way for a starting role as a sophomore.
2) Young
Brown is only 20 years old. He will turn 21 in August.
3) Rare athleticism
Kent Lee Platte is the creator of Relative Athletic Scores, which grade a player’s measurements on a scale of 1 to 10 compared to their peer group.
According to Platte, the formula calculating that score came up with a 9.82 out of 10, which is good for 24th-highest out of 1,309 defensive tackles evaluated between 1987 and 2021.
Bobby Brown was drafted with pick 117 of round 4 in the 2021 draft class. He scored a 9.82 RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 24 out of 1309 DT from 1987 to 2021. https://t.co/KuO0lJZiLC #RAS #Rams pic.twitter.com/wP1zDIveOf
— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) May 1, 2021
4) Wrestling background
At Arlington (Texas) Lamar High School, Brown also competed on the wrestling team. As a junior in the 285-pound weight class, he placed 2nd in the University Interscholastic League (UIL) 6A District 3 tournament, placed first in the UIL 6A Region 1 tournament and placed fifth at the UIL 6A State Championship, according to trackwrestling.com.
5) Among an expert’s favorite picks in the draft
NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein chose his three favorite picks round-by-round and included Brown among his selections for the fourth round.
May 6, 2021 at 8:42 pm #129715znModeratoralso. his 10 yd split was 1.68.
phenomenal for a player his size.
Rams Junkie
https://www.nfl.com/news/2019-nfl-scouting-combine-twelve-numbers-that-matter-most-0ap3000001021021
The average 10-yard split for a Pro Bowl edge rusher since 2003? 1.67 secondsMay 6, 2021 at 9:02 pm #129716InvaderRamModeratorThe average 10-yard split for a Pro Bowl edge rusher since 2003? 1.67 seconds
i know you already know this because you bolded it but i think it’s important to emphasize again that this number is for an edge rusher. even crazier when you realize brown is 325 pounds.
for comparison donald ran 1.63. at 285 pounds.
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May 10, 2021 at 1:22 am #129795znModeratorMay 11, 2021 at 3:02 am #129818znModeratorClash Of The Horns@RamfamPodcaster
Bobby Brown is going to look like Fletcher Cox playing with aaron donald next to him. I dont know a team with as much talent as thw rams do in the interior of their defensive line in a 3-4. Donald, Robinson, gaines, brown, SJD. Recipe for a #1 rated defenseMay 11, 2021 at 10:18 pm #129844znModeratorMay 11, 2021 at 10:43 pm #129849InvaderRamModeratorthe way he carries the 325 pounds on his frame is unreal. doesn’t really look fat at all.
and the explosion. 33″ vertical. 9’5″ broad. both in the elite category for a player his size.
the player i’m most excited to see this season.
May 12, 2021 at 1:31 pm #129856znModeratorInside the Draft: Adding ‘tough’ Bobby Brown III | Ep. 4
The Rams posted Episode 4 of “Inside the Draft” and Brown was the focus. Senior personnel executive Brian Xanders shared some of what stood out to him about Brown, highlighting his size and impact.
“I was doing some defensive linemen and what was fun about his eval was I got to watch his entire career in one day. Had fun watching it, but what stood out to me was how big he was at 6-4, 325,” he said. “What stood out was really the very good play strength. The other thing was his physical toughness. He hit people, running through people.”
Steve Kazor, the Rams’ Southwest area scout, also described what makes Brown such a fun study, pointing out his versatility as both a run defender and pass rusher.
“If you look at his body, this kid is a man,” Kazor said. “When you look at his lower body, you can see the thickness in his posterior and thickness in his thighs. He can play whatever you want him to play. He can stuff the double-teams in the run, he can shed, he can make tackles. He’ll help us in the pass rush. He had 5.5 sacks, 7.5 TFLs and 11 QB hits and hurries, so you can see the versatility there just from those statistics.”
May 12, 2021 at 4:32 pm #129860znModeratorDeadpool
Bobby Brown – if the Rams wanted to get stouter against the run, then they filled a hole. He has a grown man’s body that can get into the rotation quickly. I worried about his motor, but if they can get him revved up he has huge upside as a 3 down defender. And if he gets soloed up due to AD, he will eat. Looking at the IDL that was left, other than Shelvin, Brown was the strongest, best run stuffer left and it wasn’t close. And Shelvin doesn’t have his pass rush upside. This pick also signifies the Rams are fully gone from Phillips stop the run on the way to the QB system to a multiple fronts, control the LoS system. 34, 43, 425. They now have personnel that can make that happen. If the safeties can hold up, this defense might be insane.
May 12, 2021 at 7:33 pm #129866InvaderRamModeratorThey now have personnel that can make that happen. If the safeties can hold up, this defense might be insane.
i still worry about the linebackers. i actually think the safeties will be fine. burgess will be back. i think he was coming on before he got injured. and fuller should be better than last year.
i think the dline and secondary could be scary good. lots of youth. lots of potential on both units.
but the linebackers seem to be filled with holes. leonard floyd should have one position locked down. but who are the ilbs? i like jones, but he’s a rookie. so we’ll see. and who is the other outside linebacker? lewis and hollins should be competing for that spot. i’m secretly hoping brown can slip in and take an olb spot. i’m telling ya. have him drop 20 pounds. with his length and athleticism i think he could be a competent starter at linebacker.
if they can figure out the linebacker corps, this defense could be dominant. not that they weren’t dominant before. but i mean it could be something to behold.
May 12, 2021 at 8:29 pm #129869InvaderRamModeratorya know. this is where we get to see what eric henderson is all about. his strength is supposed to be development. and this guy is just full of potential.
May 19, 2021 at 6:14 pm #129997znModeratorRams rook Bobby Brown III is ready to learn everything he can from @AaronDonald97 ✊ pic.twitter.com/taNLvRDT8K
— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) May 19, 2021
May 19, 2021 at 8:42 pm #129998InvaderRamModeratorRams rook Bobby Brown III is ready to learn everything he can from @AaronDonald97
the thought of donald and brown playing on the same line has me excited. not since robert quinn has donald played with a guy with that caliber of physical ability. no he’s not the same type of athlete that quinn was. but he’s the same caliber for what he is able to do.
so excited.
June 14, 2021 at 12:10 pm #130469znModeratorInside Rams’ scouting of DT Bobby Brown III, from laugh-out-loud domination on tape to long-term fit
Jourdan Rodrigue
The third day of the draft is usually a big dart-throwing project, as teams try to add players who may — or may not — one day be contributors on their roster. But for the Rams, establishing a rate of success when picking these later-round prospects — and then developing them from fourth-rounder or later to role-player in the lineup — is actually crucial to their team-building model. How do they identify these prospects — and how do they match their data and analytics team’s findings with what their scouts are watching on film and experiencing when interacting with players in person?
In this three-part series, The Athletic goes behind the scenes of the Rams’ process, focusing on their first three draft picks of Day 3: Defensive tackle Bobby Brown III, cornerback Robert Rochell and tight end Jacob Harris.
THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — Rams senior personnel executive Brian Xanders was just a few plays into his study of then-Texas A&M defensive tackle Bobby Brown III’s film when he started chuckling. Brown was, quite literally, everywhere — and he was doing some damage, too.
“He played nose tackle, five-technique and three-technique,” Xanders said. “Literally all three of our defensive line positions, he’s played them all.”
Xanders saw Brown hit a guard so hard that his legs buckled and split out from under him. He saw Brown block a couple of kicks on special teams. And then he got to the offensive cut-ups — yes, you read that right.
“And then they also put him on offense as a goal-line fullback,” laughed Xanders. “So there’s plays of him running right through the defensive line, just crushing them.”
Xanders began work on what is called a “cross check” on Brown in February as a part of the Rams’ typical process. First, Brown had been studied for several months throughout 2020 by area scout Steve Kazor, and then Kazor’s reports on Brown landed on Xanders’ desk. Scouts and personnel people often intersect on their evaluations of prospects so that a variety of opinions and observations about that prospect can come to light, and for the Rams, area scouts are hugely important in setting the first “draft boards” and then providing updates and input as cross-checkers weigh in.
The Rams had not caught a ton of additional buzz on Brown via external boards through the pre-draft process in the spring (such as media draft boards, top-50 or top-100 lists or even in standard press clippings), but because Kazor had done a good deal of work on Brown by the time his report got to Xanders’ desk, Xanders was intrigued by Brown’s measurables and Kazor’s notes on his power within certain plays and alignments. He also had a light afternoon — so he decided to watch all of the defensive tackle’s snaps in one sitting.
“I had a lot of time that day, so I loaded up his entire career — the pass-rush, and then the run defense,” he said. “He was a fun eval.”
Three things stuck out to Xanders about Brown: His frame (6-foot-4, 325 pounds with a seven-foot wingspan), the torque and anchor with which he maneuvered and held his gaps (“they tried to double-team him and they’d just stand on the line of scrimmage, they got no movement,” Xanders said), his toughness off of blocks (“he destroyed whole blocking schemes”) and of course, his versatility.
“Some of the big splash plays were impressive, because he’s going through double-teams and knocking the guard into the backfield, and then the tight end falls down and then he falls into the running back,” Xanders said. “There were just some really powerful plays that stood out. And I’m like, ‘This guy … this guy could be a scheme fit in all three (interior defensive line) positions — in a massive body. He was an interesting eval.”
By the time a team gets to the fourth round of the draft, they know they won’t always find a “complete” player, and so smart teams match specific traits of prospects to those needed within their positional rotations — like a small puzzle piece slotting into a much larger image. After the 2020 college football season was derailed by COVID-19, teams also knew that projecting players’ development into their respective systems would be harder than ever.
Especially starting in the fourth round this draft, the Rams focused on prospects with hyper-athletic traits and measurables, then tried to match those with the player’s frame and their understanding of how his frame will mature, plus data points within either the on-field testing process, their own person-to-person intel, and/or the medical evaluation process that backed up what they saw on tape. The idea was to take care of the things “you can’t coach” (physical gifts), even if they were more raw than the typical prospect in a “normal” year, and then rely on pairing those players with assistants such as (in Brown’s case) defensive line coach Eric Henderson to help turn the prospect into a more “complete” player — or even simply into an important role-player.
In a fourth-round defensive lineman, for example, the Rams of course weren’t looking for a Day 1 starter — but they were looking for long arms/wide shoulders and wingspan, plus moldable power and torque that projects well into their gap-and-a-half defensive scheme. In Brown — similarly to their evaluation of Sebastian Joseph-Day, who they previously drafted in the sixth round — they see a player whose ceiling is as a starter, yet whose floor can still be as a key role-player based on athleticism alone, and whose flashes of versatility were an added bonus in their grading of him.
The Rams began their intel process on other teams’ draft boards as the third round drew to a close on Friday night, and cross-referenced them with their own. There was an emphasis on adding more picks beginning on Day 3, multiple sources told The Athletic at the time, but they also knew that if Brown fell to them at No. 117 (obtained via previous trade with San Francisco), he was a prospect for whom they would stay at the pick point and find another place to trade back.
Early Saturday morning, before the final day of the draft began, Rams senior personnel advisor Taylor Morton and his staff called their sources at Texas A&M and elsewhere to double check that there weren’t any red flags on Brown, because despite his tape and strong athletic traits he had still fallen out of the second day of the draft.
“(General manager Les Snead) is the type where he’s going to dot every ‘I’ and cross every ‘T’,” Morton said. “He’s so thorough and demands us to be so thorough. So first thing that morning, I’m calling around to people I know … triple checking our sources and even digging for more sources, and just confirming all of the data that we’ve collected over all these months. And everybody gave their thumbs up on Bobby Brown.”
Xanders and Morton say they don’t know why he made it to them at that pick point (Xanders speculated that some teams may have been leery of his relatively limited experience, with just 18 starts in his collegiate career).
“It’s the same thing, kind of, that happened with (Joseph-Day),” said Morton. “How did we get him in the sixth round? … To get Bobby Brown in the fourth round, people ask ‘why’ because (of his physical traits) and because, when he wants to, he can dominate the line of scrimmage. We’re hoping that he can develop.”
Xanders and Henderson — who were working remotely with Snead in his garage and a small group of staff at the Rams’ draft house in Malibu, Calif. — began texting Snead as their pick drew closer, continuing to pitch Brown.
“We were texting back and forth, I was texting Coach Henny, it was a fun day,” said Xanders. “You just hope for the best — like, ‘If we take him, it’s our job to help him fit in our environment and culture. It’s his job to create his own role.’ Just like every other rookie. Nothing is handed to anybody in this league – it’s a meritocracy, the NFL. Everything is earned, and everything is created by that player creating their own opportunities.”
Brown is just 20 years old — launched into Los Angeles and the world of the NFL before he can even legally crack a beer to celebrate it. Xanders said the Rams’ defensive staff saw a lack of “wear-and-tear” on Brown as a bonus — not just for health reasons, but also because they believe it makes him more malleable as a prospect (in just a year or two, he’ll have taken less practice reps outside of their system than within it).
Having Brown, who will only be turning 24 by the time his second contract comes up, learn about the NFL in a position room with three-time Defensive Player of the Year Aaron Donald was also one of the reasons the staff felt comfortable drafting him despite his young age.
“I think that’s the No. 1 asset for Bobby Brown, and I said it in our meetings,” Morton said. “He’s got all this talent, and then you put him in the room with professional, grown men like Aaron Donald. There’s peer pressure there. Usually, those kind of guys, they’re going to rise to the occasion — to that peer pressure. And (Brown) is an intelligent person. So when he gets in the room with (Donald), he knows that now he’s in a business. He’s not in college anymore — he’s in a business with grown men … it’ll definitely get him going in the right direction.”
Another reason was Henderson, whose voice was prominent in the discussion on Brown and who Brown said stayed in touch with him throughout the pre-draft process.
“With all the hard work and how tough (Henderson) is on all players,” said Xanders, “how great a coach he is with enforcing accountability and coachability whether it’s Aaron Donald or all the way down to the practice squad defensive linemen … we felt that adding (Brown) in there, there’s nowhere to go but up.”
June 14, 2021 at 10:18 pm #130474InvaderRamModeratorEspecially starting in the fourth round this draft, the Rams focused on prospects with hyper-athletic traits and measurables
all three have super athletic traits. rochell too.
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