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The way you coach has a lot to do with the injuries. So they are on Fisher as well. I watched First Take and saw Mark Shlereth, he has won a a couple of Super Bowls in Washington, and Denver with John Elway. So he should know. He admitted the way a coach trains his players in training camp, preseason, and practice, is tied to injuries. Whatever Fisher and his staff are doing, they should be changing, because these injuries should not be happening.
Martz inherited a historically bad defense . Vermeil has said one of the reasons he retired was he didn’t want to cut those players so that problem fell to Martz who responded with rebuilding the worst defense in the NFL into a top 5 Defense in one freaking season!
I see that differently. Martz inherited the number 7 defense from Vermeil and he helped make it historically bad. After the Superbowl victory, Vermeil said the defense had to get tougher because he watched them wilt away in the 4th quarter against Tennessee. Their lack of conditioning almost cost them the game. When Martz became head coach he was asked about Vermeil’s comment about the defense and he openly disagreed with it. His practices were about tempo and efficiency…not about building toughness or conditioning. And that translated to the field. Also, Martz was convinced that the two-headed DC system with Guinta and Bunting that worked effectively under Vermeil was no good after the Lions game because a miscommunication led to an improper defensive call that allowed Detroit to complete that long pass to win the game. Martz said one man should be accountable. So when Martz became HC he got rid of Bunting and kept Giunta who as it turns out was in way over his head when given complete control. They had to bring in a dying Bud Carson who had been Giunta’s mentor to try and fix his mess. One of the things Carson would complain about is that the defense lacked toughness.
Now, Martz does get credit for rebuilding the defense in 2001, but he helped destroy it after Vermeil retired. That mess in 2000 was all on him.
So here we have three differing views all with valid points and I would say nothing outside of reasonable and then we have a list that is.
Nittany ram a rookie coach making mistakes is more accurate than putting the entire thing on Martz as zn posted in an earlier anti-Fisher thread all 4 DL had offseason surgery . Certainly you are not blaming Martz for that ? In KC Vermeil inherited a 19th rated D then it dropped to 24th 28th up to 19th again before dropping to 28th in his last year. Looking at his record now Fisher is pretty close to Vermiel III.well. impossible to know exactly how good a hc or player or whatever is. so much of it depends on the circumstances. i mean how good would belichick look if he was on the rams the last decade?
quite possibly better than any of those coaches the rams had during those years but not nearly as good as he has with the pats.
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