what kind of passing game do you expect?

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May 14, 2015 at 7:22 pm #24578

zn
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Can they nail all these different pieces together into a decent passing game?

A lot to consider. Austin? Quick? Kendricks? Pass protection? Foles?

Will they struggle early and get it together late? Or what?

May 14, 2015 at 8:28 pm #24580

sdram
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I feel they can be better than last season if they can all stay healthy and particularly Foles, the OL is functional or better, and Quick comes back healthy and stays healthy.

Quick, Britt, Austin, Bailey, Sasser and Givens who has been almost invisible the past season and a half. Then there’s Cook and Kendricks and Gurley and Mason.

So, my question about the offense is can they not have some huge learning curve the first six weeks with their new OC – QB – RB – 3/5 OL. I’m guessing we’ll see some growing pains early.

May 15, 2015 at 8:37 am #24598

zn
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Schott had this ability to run safe plays for a couple in a row and then set up surprises. I wonder if that’s a thing Cigz inherits.

May 15, 2015 at 10:04 am #24599

NERam
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“what kind of passing game do you expect”?

Short and sweet.

May 15, 2015 at 8:05 pm #24626

InvaderRam
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NERam wrote:

“what kind of passing game do you expect”?

Short and sweet.

yeah. safe passing. at least at the beginning. still worry about the oline. i imagine this will limit them more than the wide receivers. also depends on how good the running game is. if the running game is like it has been the past couple years. this passing game will likely be in trouble.

May 15, 2015 at 8:20 pm #24627

wv
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Well, I doubt they have the talent to really
‘impose their will’ on teams in the passing game
(to use an RFL-ism)

But I am assuming they will get better as Foles
and the receivers go through the timing-curve
together.

I would think we are gonna see a lot of
close games this year. Games that come
down to a kick at the end. That sort of thing.

w
v

May 15, 2015 at 10:38 pm #24630

NERam
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InvaderRam wrote:

NERam wrote:

“what kind of passing game do you expect”?

Short and sweet.

yeah. safe passing. at least at the beginning. still worry about the oline. i imagine this will limit them more than the wide receivers. also depends on how good the running game is. if the running game is like it has been the past couple years. this passing game will likely be in trouble.

Yep, no real concern with the WR’s. The BBQ team (Britt, Bailey & Quick) can get it done, I think. Unsettled OL, with a new QB, will most likely not scare anybody, until the line gels and Foles develops some sort of rhythm with the receivers.

wv wrote:

Well, I doubt they have the talent to really
‘impose their will’ on teams in the passing game
(to use an RFL-ism)

But I am assuming they will get better as Foles
and the receivers go through the timing-curve
together.

I would think we are gonna see a lot of
close games this year. Games that come
down to a kick at the end. That sort of thing.

w
v

Uh, oh. Close games, with a kick at the end? Do we still trust Gag-a-tron? I have trouble remembering…

May 16, 2015 at 5:02 am #24638

zn
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Well once again I go back to 2012.

I am going to use the 1st 4 games as a template. So this is more of a “how will the passing game start the season” speculation than an effort to predict the whole season.

In the 2012 off-season they had to learn a new offense and new defense. They did have Jackson but their receivers were Amendola and Gibson. In games 1-4 they did not even have Givens yet for his one-year one-trick pony games (that was later). The OL consisted of, at its core, just Saffold and Dahl. That year’s OL fill-ins were spare parts other teams cut, and it was a who’s who of “played poorly” types: Richardson, Hunter, Turner. They did have Wells but he was injured in game 1. This year they have their own, homemade-brand nobodies: Baker, Washington, Bond, Jones, Rhaney, Barnes, Reynolds. So the OL add-ons in 2012 were experienced but mediocre, while this year they are just unknown but have been with the team and in the system. Bradford was as new to the system as Foles is now.

And in the 1st 4 games, this was their passing game:

72 completions of 120 attempts, = 18 of 30 per game, or 60%

779 yards, or 195.5 per game, which is a YPA of 6.5

3 TDs, 4 INTs, and 14 sacks allowed, with 1 bad game (Chicago) allowing 6 sacks

I would be surprised if it was any different this year. With a new OL, the better the D they face the less chance they have of passing. Chicago had a good D that year. They were the D that got the 6 sacks, and they also controlled the run (59 yards on 17 attempts). That was a road game btw.

Foles is statistically his best in a quick tempo ball control passing game. The bad news is, so far he has not been a top play action qb (Bradford was).

They went 2-2 in the 1st 4, but the feeling at the time was that they took it to Detroit on the road in game one, but the D lost the game.

They scored 79 points in those 4 games, and allowed 91.

According to PFF, in 2014, his off year, Foles was 6th in the league in completion percentage when he held the ball less than 2.6 seconds. He was 38th of 39 when he held it longer than 2.6 seconds. His long ball accuracy in 2014 was not great.

So if all these numbers mean anything, we ought to see that “short and sweet” passing game again assuming they can also run the ball.

The big difference from 2012 this time is that they begin this season with a potential top 10 defense.

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May 16, 2015 at 9:28 am #24646
InvaderRam
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i also think the running game could be better than it has ever been. assuming gurley is ready at the start of the season. that’ll open things up in the passing game. wonder if cignetti looks at any of the stuff from foles’ time at philly and tries to incorporate it into what the rams are doing. interestingly enough, in 2013, the eagles had the number one rushing offense in the league. ninth in passing offense.
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May 16, 2015 at 10:04 am #24648

zn
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InvaderRam wrote:

. assuming gurley is ready at the start of the season

I wouldn’t assume that. Technically he will be, but…really? Guys are not ready to be 100% until a while after the presumed “ready” point. That is, it’s 6-9 months and then some.

May 16, 2015 at 10:19 am #24649

InvaderRam
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worst case scenario at 9 months he’d be ready at week 1. as a reference point bradford tore his acl october 20 2013. he was playing in preseason games week 3.

gurley was injured november 15 2014. about a month. so maybe week 3 of the regular season.

of course you could take the extreme example of an adrian peterson who was injured december 24 2011. he returned for the first week of the following season. that would be unrealistic. still that gives gurley more than a month on peterson for recovery time.

May 16, 2015 at 10:32 am #24650

InvaderRam
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of course if the rams are really extra careful. they could rest him until the bye week. that’d still give him 3/4 of the season. that’d put him at 11 months. some say that the new graft doesn’t reach maximum tensile strength until a year. and with fisher being under little threat to be fired, he might just be willing to wait the whole year.

May 16, 2015 at 11:36 am #24654

zn
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InvaderRam wrote:

worst case scenario at 9 months he’d be ready at week 1. as a reference point bradford tore his acl october 20 2013. he was playing in preseason games week 3.

gurley was injured november 15 2014. about a month. so maybe week 3 of the regular season.

But, remember, although he can play after 9 months, he is not the player he was for several more months.

May 16, 2015 at 8:35 pm #24673

InvaderRam
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if they wait longer that’s fine. i think tre mason is more than capable of handling the load for 4-5 games. regardless. by the end of the season, if the running game is going as snisher expects, the offensive line will have an easier time. foles should have an easier time, and i think the passing game should come together.

foles may not be the play action qb bradford does. i don’t actually know that. but i’m kind of riffing off of what you said. he still thrived best when the eagles running game was going.

i do hope that cignetti looks at some eagles film. i’m sure he is. try to work some of that into the rams offense. i think that’s an idea worth exploring, and i hope cignetti and fisher are looking into that. not only for the passing game. but the running game as well.
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