QBs losing it

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December 2, 2015 at 3:33 pm #35035

wv
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Once a QB totally loses it, can he get it back?

Anybody got any examples?

Was it Schaub that was good for a while
and then went crazy with INTs and bad play…and then?
Did he ever play well again? I dont keep up with other teams
anymore.

Did Bulger ever play well again after
he was bulgerized?

I think Jim Everett went to pieces
and came back didnt he? I forget.

Sometimes players just cant get it back.

I’m not sure how good Foles was to begin with.
I dunno anymore.

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December 2, 2015 at 3:50 pm #35036

Herzog
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Warner….kind of

December 2, 2015 at 4:15 pm #35038

zn
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wv wrote:

Once a QB totally loses it, can he get it back?

Anybody got any examples?

Was it Schaub that was good for a while
and then went crazy with INTs and bad play…and then?
Did he ever play well again? I dont keep up with other teams
anymore.

Did Bulger ever play well again after
he was bulgerized?

I think Jim Everett went to pieces
and came back didnt he? I forget.

Sometimes players just cant get it back.

I’m not sure how good Foles was to begin with.
I dunno anymore.

w
v

The problem with the Bulger example is that what caused his decline…a total OL wipe-out…continued. So it wasn’t just 2007, it was 2008 and 2009 too. He had 3 solid years of those conditions. He eventually retired from the game because he had had so many concussions. And that was before concussion protocols.

Warner did play poorly in NY. There’s a myth about that because sometimes people say that the Giants had a winning record when they pulled him. Actually they had lost 4 out of the last 5 games. When I read around in the NY press accounts to get their view of it, the consensus was that the Giants OL had fallen apart.

One example that comes immediately to mind is Cutler. None of his previous years were as good as this one.

McCown was bad as a rule before 2013, good in 2013, bad again in 2014, good again in 2015. For example his last 3 years, his qb rate was 109.0 (Chicago), 70.5 (Tampa), 93.3 (Cleveland).

So just tossing ideas out there without studying it.

I would say it’s possible, yeah.
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December 2, 2015 at 4:58 pm #35044
joemad
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Jim Plunkett 35 years ago…….

Does Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries, Billy Kilmer, David Woodley, or Craig Morton count?

It’s not a very common occurance……

Warren Moon anyone?
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December 2, 2015 at 6:00 pm #35050

zn
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joemad wrote:

Jim Plunkett 35 years ago…….

Does Chris Chandler, Stan Humphries, Billy Kilmer, David Woodley, or Craig Morton count?

It’s not a very common occurance……

Warren Moon anyone?

Gannon, Buerelein, Testeverde….

December 2, 2015 at 8:45 pm #35057

lyser
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Plunkett, Rambo Cunningham, Doug Williams…plenty of guys.

Foles kinda sux though I think – those weird rainbow passes, poor vision, and apparent inability to go through progressions.

I would get a vet QB if possible and, unfortunately, we probably got a shot a that Michigan State kid. What vets MITE be out there? Would love a Romo type. Brees? Rivers? Any of those guys likely to shake loose? Bradford and RG3 will probably be available. hahahahahahahahahaha

The D is there. Gurley. Austin. Kendricks. Young guys on the line. Hekker. They got some/most of the pieces I think.

I’d actually keep Fisher and get a hopefully great, vet OC, address QB and WR (Crabtree? Jeffries?) and resign most of our guys on D.

December 2, 2015 at 9:01 pm #35058

zn
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Foles kinda sux though I think – those weird rainbow passes, poor vision, and apparent inability to go through progressions.

Most of that? You wouldn’t have seen it in 2014.

There’s something going on this year that wasn’t part of his past.

December 2, 2015 at 11:01 pm #35060

zn
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zn wrote:

Foles kinda sux though I think – those weird rainbow passes, poor vision, and apparent inability to go through progressions.

Most of that? You wouldn’t have seen it in 2014.

There’s something going on this year that wasn’t part of his past.

But then all you can do is show the numbers.

Foles 2014:

completions 59.8%, TDs 4.2%, INTs 3.2%, YPA 7.0, qb rating 81.4

Foles 1st 4 games 2015

completions 63.1%, TDs 4.5%, INTs 0.9%, YPA 7.3, qb rating 98

Foles last 6 games 2015

completions 55.0%, TDs, 1.0%, INTs 4.2%, YPA 5.7, qb rating 63.9

December 3, 2015 at 10:19 am #35065

lyser
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zn wrote:

Foles kinda sux though I think – those weird rainbow passes, poor vision, and apparent inability to go through progressions.

Most of that? You wouldn’t have seen it in 2014.

There’s something going on this year that wasn’t part of his past.

No kidding? I wouldn’t know, I didn’t watch him till this year. Is he on meth or something?

December 3, 2015 at 10:25 am #35066

zn
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lyser wrote:

No kidding? I wouldn’t know, I didn’t watch him till this year. Is he on meth or something?

It’s all just theories. But, he was never a razzle-dazzle passing phenom. He had his strengths. He was never great under pressure, though this time he has completely unraveled. He’s also in this odd situation where he has been demoted but starts anyway as the #2 because the #1 is still recovering. I don’t think I have seen anything quite like that.
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