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April 18, 2015 at 9:29 am #22820JackPMillerParticipant
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17680/morning-ram-blings-a-rams-trade-in-the-offing
Morning Ram-blings: A Rams trade in the offing?
Nick Wagoner, ESPN St. Louis Rams reporterEARTH CITY, Mo. — And we’re back. After some much needed time away, the Ram-blings are back in the mix and so is the rest of our usual coverage of the St. Louis Rams here at ESPN.com.
Of course, we have a lot of ground still to cover in the coming weeks with the NFL draft finally, mercifully set to begin two weeks from Thursday. I’m sure you’re all as ready as I am to get it going.
On Wednesday, ESPN’s Mark Dominik ran down a list of trades that would make sense in the upcoming draft. Included in that list was a move that might not be sexy for the Rams but one that certainly makes sense.
Dominik proposed that the Rams send the No. 10 overall pick to the Kansas City Chiefs for the No. 18 pick and a second-round choice (No. 49 overall). The Chiefs would move up for Louisville receiver DeVante Parker and then, under Dominik’s proposal, the Rams would be able to take the best available offensive lineman in the first round and have extra ammunition in the second round.
It’s pretty hard to argue with this idea and if the Rams could find a way to get an extra second-round pick, they’d really be able to reload on the offensive line and have an additional premium pick to spend on a quarterback. There may not be enough (or any) linemen who are worthy of the No. 10 pick depending on who you ask and moving down eight spots could result in better value. The only risk would be if there’s a player the Rams really like at 10 might not make it. But it seems as thought Stanford tackle Andrus Peat and Iowa lineman Brandon Scherff would probably be gone.
Still, that would put the Rams in a good range for guys like LSU’s La’el Collins, Florida’s D.J. Humphries, Florida State’s Cam Erving and others. What say you, Rams fans, would this hypothetical type of trade be appealing?
I.C.Y.M.I.
A roundup of what’s been rolling here at ESPN.com on the Rams front. … As you may have noticed, we’ve been running down 10 players who could be candidates to be the 10th pick for the Rams. Here’s a brief rundown of some of those from this week: LSU offensive lineman La’el Collins was Wednesday’s subject, we covered Missouri defensive lineman Shane Ray on Tuesday, Monday offered a look at Stanford tackle Andrus Peat and we kicked off the week with a look at West Virginia receiver Kevin White. … Earlier this week, I teamed up with our draft insiders and the rest of NFL Nation to offer these draft guides. … Also, in Wednesday’s buzz video, I discussed where cornerback E.J. Gaines fits in the plans for 2015.
Elsewhere:
ESPN Insider Mike Sando measures Mel Kiper Jr.’s big board against the numbers.
Todd McShay offers the best fits for the draft’s top front-seven prospects.
On the race to Los Angeles front, San Diego Chargers reporter Eric Williams reports that league executive Eric Grubman warned San Diego that its time is running short to get a new stadium plan in place.
At 101sports.com, Anthony Stalter writes that a trade down is the best-case scenario for the Rams.
April 18, 2015 at 10:29 am #22824AgamemnonParticipantApril 18, 2015 at 11:18 am #22826znModeratorThe Benefits of Rams Trading Back on No. 10 Pick
Anthony Stalter
http://www.101sports.com/2015/04/15/the-benefits-of-rams-trading-back-on-no-10-pick/
What to do with draft pick number ten? That’s the question.
Last week I discussed seven options for the Rams’ first round selection. Now, let’s expound on the strategy that could be most beneficial to the team.
Coach Jeff Fisher has acknowledged the Rams have holes to fill on the O-line.
Like most NFL draftniks, I’m addicted to mocks. Be it Peter King’s or Larry King’s, I’ll consume it all the same. And no matter which mock I look at in relation to this year’s draft, I don’t like how things play out in front of the Rams.
There’s a case to be made that Alabama receiver Amari Cooper is the best prospect in this year’s class. He’s a tremendous route-runner, has excellent hands, and plays under control. He tracks the ball perfectly on deep throws, can lineup outside the numbers and win there, or inside in the slot and beat defenders that can’t match up with him in space. Cooper uses his hands well to beat jams, plays with great technique, and has a superb feel for the game.
The guy is good.
He’s polished, pro-ready, and would look great in a Rams uniform. He’s also unlikely to be available when Jeff Fisher and Les Snead make their first selection.
The same can be said for the other top prospects, which include USC’s Leonard Williams (popularly mocked to Tennessee at No. 2), Florida’s Dante Fowler Jr. (No. 3 to Jacksonville), Clemson’s Vic Beasley (anywhere from No. 5 to Washington to No. 8 Atlanta), West Virginia’s Kevin White (No. 4 Oakland to No. 7 Chicago) and Florida State’s Jameis Winston (No. 1 to the Bucs).
Besides the unlikely scenario of the top prospects falling to No. 10, the Rams face a self-imposed dilemma regarding their offensive line. With holes at right tackle, left guard and center, the Rams might not be able to afford bypassing an offensive lineman with their first pick, even with veterans Joe Barksdale, Justin Blalock and Stefen Wisniewski still available in free agency. Had they addressed more needs in free agency, they could have allowed the top nine picks to play out and then simply chosen the best player on their draft board.
Robinson is important in helping the Rams establish the run.Greg Robinson eliminates the need to address the left tackle position in the draft.
But this is where need may intersect with value and opportunity.
The Rams need offensive linemen – multiple offensive linemen, in fact. The good news is they don’t need a cornerstone left tackle, having selected Greg Robinson with the No. 2 overall pick a year ago. This year’s draft class is flooded with tackles that could potentially start on the right side for the Rams in year one.
Stanford’s Andrus Peat headlines the list. Peat’s best attributes are his size and playing technique. He’s polished and is one of the safer prospects in this year’s class, even if he’s not dynamic. Oregon’s Jake Fisher is technically sound as well, is athletic and has an excellent grasp of angles, an underrated part of playing tackle at any level. Florida’s D.J. Humphries, Pitt’s T.J. Clemmings, Texas’ Cedric Ogbuehi and Miami’s Ereck Flowers don’t come without limitations, but none are considered massive projects either.
If the Rams have Peat listed atop their draft board now or when they’re on the clock in a few weeks, then he’s likely to be their pick.
But unless the drop-off between Peat and the other offensive line prospects (including potential guards Brandon Scherff of Iowa and La’el Collins of LSU) is significant, then here’s hoping they have an opportunity to trade back.
Being able to address a need with one of the top prospects on their board while also nabbing an extra draft pick or two would be the epitome of value. Maybe the Rams miss out on Peat or Scherff, but landing Fisher, Humphries or Clemmings in the back half of the first round, plus acquiring another second or third-round pick (depending on how far they trade back), would still be a success. Maybe that extra pick turns into another starter along the offensive line.
There have been previous drafts where I’ve argued the Rams should just sit and pick in order to secure the best quality (i.e. talent) over adding quantity (i.e. more selections). But every draft is different and if things play out in front of the Rams like most are assuming, trading back could benefit the team in more ways than one.
April 18, 2015 at 5:26 pm #22838rflParticipantWhat I can’t figure out:
If the Rams can’t find enough value for the #10 …
How can some other team find enough value to offer us value for a trade up?
I guess I am skeptical.
By virtue of the absurd ...
April 18, 2015 at 6:05 pm #22840InvaderRamModeratorWhat I can’t figure out:
If the Rams can’t find enough value for the #10 …
How can some other team find enough value to offer us value for a trade up?
I guess I am skeptical.
i think it depends on position. rams need an offensive lineman but the value might not be worth it at #10. there might, however, be a receiver there who is worth it to some other team. or perhaps a randy gregory. or maybe a guy like waynes. the rams could trade down with someone looking to add a wr, de, or cb. and then draft the lineman lower in the draft.
April 18, 2015 at 6:10 pm #22841znModeratorWhat I can’t figure out:
If the Rams can’t find enough value for the #10 …
How can some other team find enough value to offer us value for a trade up?
I guess I am skeptical.
i think it depends on position. rams need an offensive lineman but the value might not be worth it at #10. there might, however, be a receiver there who is worth it to some other team. or perhaps a randy gregory. or maybe a guy like waynes. the rams could trade down with someone looking to add a wr, de, or cb. and then draft the lineman lower in the draft.
Yeah trading down doesn’t mean “can’t find value.” It means balancing out different players. So let’s say they list 7 players worthy of the 10th pick, and when it’s their time to pick, the 7 are there. If they trade back 6 slots they still get one of the 7.
It’s a matter of one team coveting a guy while you can see 5-6 different guys you would want who will be there later on.
April 20, 2015 at 6:12 pm #22921HerzogParticipantThat trade would be a steal for the Rams. At #10, they aren’t going to get the cream of the crop. Shoot, 10 might not be much better than 18. But at 18 and with two second round picks, that’s a chance to get 3 very good players.
I doubt it happens. Once again, I find myself agreeing with RFL. Why would the chiefs do this.
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