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    Nate Atkins@NateAtkins_
    When no player on either of two of the best and most well-coached teams knows to play after the whistle in this situation, it seems like a problematic rule. I’ve covered this league for 10 years and never seen it and Sean McVay said he’s never seen it either. Which is why basically no players went after the ball.

    Also, what happens when you hit the player going for the ball after the whistle? Penalty?

    That’s what makes it problematic IMO. If it’s not clear it was a backward pass, players can’t be expected to engage in a physical scrum for the ball if a penalty is weighing in the balance.

    Both teams stopped after the whistle, so it was a factor. Charbonnet didn’t pick up the ball in an attempt at a recovery. Pretty obvious that was an after-the-play nonchalant movement that happens on a majority of them. Cooper Kupp, one of the smartest and most experienced players on the team, running away from the ball is a good example of this. It’s just not a team directive if he’s doing that.

    Besides.Here’s the thing: Even if I granted you that Charbonnet knew it was live, that’s one out of 11 Seahawks players who gave any effort to do so, which goes against your argument that they’re all taught this and they all know to do it. None of the officials that worked the game could explain it either, hence why New York made the change.

    The whistle should end the play. If they rule it an incomplete pass, it doesn’t turn into a live ball scenario if the whistle was blown.

    Then use the same teaching point for refs as with forward pass rulings: don’t blow the whistle until the play concludes if it’s close.

    This is a conversation that will happen with the competition committee in the offseason, so I’m actually way early on it. Just don’t feel like getting into it again and I’ll want to move on long before it’s time to have it.

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    Rich Eisen on the 2 pt conversion

    #160456
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    Also, what happens when you hit the player going for the ball after the whistle? Penalty?

    yeah. in the video i posted. the guy explains it really well. if a rams player had dove at the seahawks player, most likely a penalty is called on the rams. the play was dead. if players had acted as if it was still a live ball even after the whistle then it’s a different story. at best they should have replayed the down. and the seahawks still may have scored. just a very weird play.

    i’m not so upset about it. more upset about the ferguson td that was cancelled by a non-penalty. more upset about the punt return for a td which was not the refs fault. more upset by all the big plays the rams defense gave up.

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    i’m not so upset about it. more upset about the ferguson td that was cancelled by a non-penalty. more upset about the punt return for a td which was not the refs fault. more upset by all the big plays the rams defense gave up.

    Same here.

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    Nate Atkins@NateAtkins_
    … I’ve covered this league for 10 years and never seen it and Sean McVay said he’s never seen it either..

    Oh, I’ve seen that kind of thing numerous times. And the players always react just like they did in the Rams game. They just start jogging off the field, until one player figures it out. Granted, I’ve never seen it happen on the goal-line but its happened plenty of times on other parts of the field.

    It was the right call; i got no issue with it. But it was just damnable bad luck. And it might cost the Rams a ring. The consequences of that game were huge, as we know.

    If the Rams were to play the Seahawks again, in Seattle, I’d pick the Rams. But I doubt they can win THREE road games in a row.

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    Oh, I’ve seen that kind of thing numerous times.

    No, he’s talking about a very specific thing. Namely, a backward incomplete pass counting as a score if downed in the endzone, even after the whistle blows.

    The specific thing that happened in the Seattle game has not happened before.

    Everyone on the field, both teams, just treated it as an incomplete pass.

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    from https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/walt-andersons-review-of-crazy-two-point-play-glossed-over-the-delayed-review

    Former NFL referee Walt Anderson now serves as the league’s primary (and only) spokesperson regarding the application of the rules. Every Sunday morning, he gets very limited real estate in a four-hour NFL Network pregame show to address any/all controversial calls from the week that was.

    Sunday’s Walt Anderson cameo focused exclusively on the most unusual play from the past seven days: The two-point conversion from Thursday night, which tied Seahawks-Rams at 30. During his three-minute segment, Anderson explained the fairly obvious elements that anyone who would be watching NFL Network in the 9:00 a.m. ET hour on a Sunday already knew.

    One key point was glossed over. If it was so obvious that Seahawks quarterback Sam Darnold had thrown a backward pass that pinballed into the end zone and remained live, why did it take more than 100 seconds to initiate the review?

    There’s a story there. An interesting one. One they likely don’t want anyone to know. Who figured out that the play should be formally reviewed during the 100-second interval between the end of the play and the announcement of the review? Was it the replay official? Was it someone from the league office? Did someone from outside the bubble but with access to it flag an issue that otherwise would have gone unnoticed?

    The teams were lined up for the kickoff. The game was about to proceed. The play that became a clear and obvious two-point conversion was not sufficiently clear and obvious to trigger an instant decision to review the play.

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    Whitworth discusses the backwards 2-pointer starting at about 5:57. He talks about other things but I thought I’d put it here.

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