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  • August 26, 2018 at 9:15 pm #89884
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    zn wrote:

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    If the number are right with Aaron Donald. Clearly he chose more guaranteed money and sacrificed some APY money. #Rams are winning this deal if it’s $22M. Surprised the APY came down and the guaranteed money went up. This is what was taking the deal so long.

    I don’t agree with that either. I think Donald wants and gets both. Suh had the most guaranteed money per contract amount. I think guaranteed follows contact amount. Donald will get ~52-55% of the total value of new money, guaranteed. So, once again here it is. 5-6 years, $23.1 million to $24.15 million/yr, $60 million to $80 million guaranteed.

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    August 27, 2018 at 12:47 am #89898
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    Agamemnon wrote:
    zn wrote:

    Downtown Rams@DowntownRams
    If the number are right with Aaron Donald. Clearly he chose more guaranteed money and sacrificed some APY money. #Rams are winning this deal if it’s $22M. Surprised the APY came down and the guaranteed money went up. This is what was taking the deal so long.

    I don’t agree with that either. I think Donald wants and gets both. Suh had the most guaranteed money per contract amount. I think guaranteed follows contact amount. Donald will get ~52-55% of the total value of new money, guaranteed. So, once again here it is. 5-6 years, $23.1 million to $24.15 million/yr, $60 million to $80 million guaranteed.

    I feel Donald wants more than $80 million guaranteed. I believe he is looking more toward $90 million to $100 million guaranteed

    August 27, 2018 at 1:16 am #89899
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    I say Donald signs a 4 year deal for 96 M (24 M a year) with 108 M guaranteed.

    It will be the first contract in NFL history that guarantees more money than it actually pays.

    August 27, 2018 at 5:17 am #89907
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    JackPMiller wrote:

    I feel Donald wants more than $80 million guaranteed. I believe he is looking more toward $90 million to $100 million guaranteed

    I think that is a deal breaker, Jack.

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    August 27, 2018 at 6:02 am #89910
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    When we talk about guaranteed money, are we talking about total guaranteed or fully guaranteed money. I am using fully guaranteed.

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    August 27, 2018 at 11:00 am #89918
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    2020 is the last season of the present CBA. Players and Owners will have to agree on another plan. The players will probably end up with a higher percentage of the profits. How will that affect the Cap? How will that affect salaries?

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    August 27, 2018 at 12:23 pm #89921
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    2020 is the last season of the present CBA. Players and Owners will have to agree on another plan. The players will probably end up with a higher percentage of the profits. How will that affect the Cap? How will that affect salaries?

    Maybe the end of the salary cap. The players will say, “If you want us to stand for the flag, then no more salary cap.”

    August 27, 2018 at 4:05 pm #89925
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    August 27, 2018 at 4:30 pm #89926
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    That was Demoff’s magic. That he could get a deal done. Has he lost it?

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    August 27, 2018 at 4:50 pm #89927
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    https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/rams-aaron-donald-still-holding-out/

    Rams’ Aaron Donald: Still holding out
    by RotoWire Staff 6h ago

    Coach Sean McVay said there is no update on Donald’s contract situation, Lindsey Thiry of ESPN.com reports.

    The two sides were reported to be nearing an agreement a couple weeks ago, but it still hasn’t come to fruition. McVay said he ideally would like to see a deal done by the end of this week, which would allow Donald to join the team before Week 1 preparation begins. The superstar lineman ended his holdout one day before the start of the regular season last year and wasn’t cleared to play until Week 2. Donald might consider holding out into the regular season this time around, as he’s scheduled for a $6.9 million salary under the fifth-year option in his rookie contract. He’s likely targeting a contract in the range of $20 million per year.

    August 27, 2018 at 7:15 pm #89933
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    i know they play different positions, but obj just extended.

    but they’re the same year.

    obj gets 41 million fully guaranteed and 65 million in total guarantees.

    on a 95 million contract.

    so if donald signs say a 4 year 96 million contract, would it be logical to say that he gets around the same money in guarantees? or is it different because they play different positions? obviously, his agent could ask for more in guarantees.

    August 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm #89936
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    I like using the $41M guaranteed at signing, figure. The contract totals $90 million for 5 years, starting in 2019. $41M guaranteed at signing, is about 45% of the total contract. I expect Donald to get about 52-55% of his total contract in hard guarantees.
    Or, $60 – 80 million, depending on the total contract.
    It is different, because Donald plays a premium position, ie., best defender in football. He should get what Suh got. Suh got more than Von Miller.

    Agamemnon

    August 28, 2018 at 1:40 am #89945
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    August 28, 2018 at 2:29 am #89948
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    I like using the $41M guaranteed at signing, figure. The contract totals $90 million for 5 years, starting in 2019. $41M guaranteed at signing, is about 45% of the total contract. I expect Donald to get about 52-55% of his total contract in hard guarantees.
    Or, $60 – 80 million, depending on the total contract.
    It is different, because Donald plays a premium position, ie., best defender in football. He should get what Suh got. Suh got more than Von Miller.

    Donald should get more than what Suh got. Donald deserves that.

    August 28, 2018 at 2:32 am #89949
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    JackPMiller wrote:

    Donald should get more than what Suh got. Donald deserves that.

    More importantly, Suh’s deal was in 2015, and contracts go up annually with the cap. If you transported a 2015 Suh clone through time to 2018, HE would get more than Suh did in 2015.

    August 28, 2018 at 4:20 am #89950
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    JackPMiller wrote:

    Donald should get more than what Suh got. Donald deserves that.

    I meant % of the Cap, not actual dollars. Like zn says, it has to be adjusted for today’s cap, not the cap back in 2015.

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    August 28, 2018 at 8:42 am #89952
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    I meant % of the Cap, not actual dollars. Like zn says, it has to be adjusted for today’s cap, not the cap back in 2015.

    So on your approach, what’s an “annual avg.” amount for AD in 2018 if it’s based on Suh?

    August 28, 2018 at 11:24 am #89961
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    zn wrote:

    So on your approach, what’s an “annual avg.” amount for AD in 2018 if it’s based on Suh?

    $23.1 million to $24.15 million/yr, $23.1 matches Suh, I would be willing to go to $24.15. The guaranteed money is a function of length of contract and money per year. I figure $60-80 million. With the CBA ending after 2020, it makes it a little hard to estimate guaranteed money. What happens if there are no games or something?
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    5-6 years, $23.1 million to $24.15 million/yr, $60 million to $80 million guaranteed on a contract extension.

    Agamemnon

    August 28, 2018 at 11:47 am #89962
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    zn wrote:
    JackPMiller wrote:

    Donald should get more than what Suh got. Donald deserves that.

    More importantly, Suh’s deal was in 2015, and contracts go up annually with the cap. If you transported a 2015 Suh clone through time to 2018, HE would get more than Suh did in 2015.

    I think that’s a great idea. Instead of trying to re-sign Donald we should clone 2015-Suh and sign him instead.

    August 28, 2018 at 12:30 pm #89967
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    Do I have OCD? I keep looking on the net every hour, every sports station, including the NFL Network, just hoping to hear breaking news, to hear Aaron Donald signed. I’m really nervous. Want him signed, and in uniform so bad. Do you call that OCD?

    August 28, 2018 at 3:02 pm #89975
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    JackPMiller wrote:

    Do I have OCD? I keep looking on the net every hour, every sports station, including the NFL Network, just hoping to hear breaking news, to hear Aaron Donald signed. I’m really nervous. Want him signed, and in uniform so bad. Do you call that OCD?

    Take the long view. 10 years from now, whatever happens, this will all be history. I fell confident it will happen without Donald missing any games.

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    August 28, 2018 at 3:07 pm #89976
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    August 28, 2018 at 3:18 pm #89977
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    btw, zn. I think the Von Miller contract is low. If I went off that then $22 million/yr is the bench mark. His guaranteed money is lower too.(the way I do it.} I think everybody pushing those figures are too low. Von Miller got the same percentage of the Cap that a franchised DE gets, 10.4%

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    August 28, 2018 at 4:30 pm #89979
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    Both sides should be happy with anything between $23 and $24 million. imo

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    August 28, 2018 at 4:41 pm #89981
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    Both sides should be happy with anything between $23 and $24 million. imo

    Yeah I agree with that.

    Been saying it too though I got there from different calculations. But 24 M is good and less than 22 M is bad.

    August 28, 2018 at 5:15 pm #89987
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    zn wrote:
    Agamemnon wrote:

    Both sides should be happy with anything between $23 and $24 million. imo

    Yeah I agree with that.

    Been saying it too though I got there from different calculations. But 24 M is good and less than 22 M is bad.

    I think $22 million is a bit low. It matches Von Miller, which matches franchise numbers for DEs. 10.4% of Cap, at least the way I figure. 😉

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