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June 9, 2015 at 5:34 pm #26049znModerator
Rams going with young offensive line
From: AP
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/rams-going-with-young-offensive-line-060915
ST. LOUIS (AP) St. Louis Rams rookie Rob Havenstein could not have picked a better spot to start his NFL career.
The offensive tackle from Wisconsin is known for his run blocking, which fits in well with coach Jeff Fisher’s offense.
”That’s one of the things coach Fisher has told me is we’re going to run the ball. . We definitely ran the ball a lot (at Wisconsin) and from everything coach Fisher has told me, I’m going to have an opportunity to do that as well,” Havenstein said.
Havenstein, a second-round pick, is one of several pieces to a new look Rams offense that includes a new quarterback, Nick Foles, and a new feature running back, rookie Todd Gurley. The key to the attack will be a young offensive line: After drafting Gurley in the first round, the Rams, starting with Havenstein, took offensive linemen with four of their next six picks.
The influx was much needed, with the Rams bringing back just two starters in left guard Rodger Saffold and left tackle Greg Robinson. Saffold, entering his sixth season, is the line’s elder statesman.
”It’s definitely something I embrace,” said Saffold, who turned 27 on Saturday. ”These young guys, they got the big eyes, the same eyes that I had when I first walked into the building. . These kids are really doing a good job of learning the offense, understanding what we tell them and being accountable for their mistakes.”
Third-round pick Jamon Brown said the rookies have had a lot of information thrown at them during OTAs. The Louisville tackle said the rookies feel no extra pressure to step into one of the three open spots on the line.
”All we can do is try to get better every day,” Brown said. ”Obviously, we can’t see in the future of who’s going to be where, so the biggest thing is for us to grasp the system and the offense and just try to get better every day, and we’ll see where that takes us.”
The Rams are looking for an improved running game after finishing 20th last season, averaging 102.2 yards a game. St. Louis has finished no better than 19th in rushing during Fisher’s tenure.
St. Louis also was 27th in third-down efficiency on 2014, in large part due to a lack of a running attack on first and second downs.
”We want to eliminate as many negative plays as possible. That means no tackles behind the line of scrimmage on run plays, no sacks, no penalties,” Saffold said. ”In order to do that, we need to be extremely firm in pass protection and push people off in the running game.”
Foles likes what he sees from the rookie linemen.
”They’re doing a great job right now learning, getting reps and they’re going against a pretty darn good defensive front,” Foles said. ”So, they’re getting better and better each day, just like all of us.”
The addition of Gurley to the backfield should help once Gurley fully recovers from an ACL tear that ended his career at Georgia. Gurley joins Tre Mason, who rushed for 765 yards in 12 games as a rookie.
”If that doesn’t fire you up, you might be dead inside,” Havenstein said. ”They’re excellent backs, they’re great backs, they’re some of the best. I know if I get the opportunity to block for them, hopefully it’s going to make me look a little better, because of the level they’re at.”
June 9, 2015 at 7:18 pm #26057znModeratorRams’ Saffold working his way back from surgery
By Nate Latsch
ST. LOUIS — Rodger Saffold is still limited during OTAs while recovering from surgery on his shoulder this offseason, but that hasn’t stopped the Rams’ offensive lineman from trying to set the tone during drills.
“We’ve got the young guys in there, so they need to know how to practice,” Saffold said last week after the Rams’ second OTA session. “If they’re going to give me the go, then I’m going to give it everything.”
Saffold, who turned 27 last week, has surgery to repair a torn labrum following the season. He said he hasn’t had much pain or problems during his recovery period and that being patient with it has been the hardest thing.
While the 6-foot-5, 332-pounder was allowed to do some individual work last week, he said he didn’t expect to be cleared to do team work during OTAs.
Saffold said he was surprised that the doctors didn’t find anything more wrong with his shoulder than the torn labrum. He was also relieved to have had the surgery after playing through pain in the past.
“That I was able to just tough it out and play all 16 games was big for me,” he said. “Which kind of just let me know that doing this thing isn’t the end of the world, so now I can come back and really play. It’s a crazy game. Things just pop up out of nowhere, but right now I’m very, very confident.”
Saffold, who is expected to start at either left or right guard, is now the old man along the Rams’ new-look offensive line going into his sixth NFL season.
Gone are Jake Long, Scott Wells, Joe Barksdale and Davin Joseph — the four players who started on the line with Saffold at the beginning of the 2014 season. In their place are a mix that includes second-year left tackle Greg Robinson, free agent signee Garrett Reynolds, centers Tim Barnes, Barrett Jones and Demetrius Rhaney and rookie draft picks Rob Havenstein, Jamon Brown and Andrew Donnal.
Now Saffold, a second-round pick in 2010, has additional leadership responsibilities in the offensive line room.
“I’m doing my best with that,” he said. “It’s kind of hard because you’re not in practice, but just staying engaged with the guys as far as getting mental reps because a lot of these young guys aren’t going to get a lot of reps. The o-line room was pretty much vacant most of the year, beginning of this year, and now there’s like nowhere to sit. You have to be able to help these guys out. Right now I’m kind of like a coach, I’m just reading the scripts and helping out where I can.”
The offensive line room has gotten significantly younger in the past few months. Now the old guy, it’s a little bit strange for Saffold.
“Yeah, it is,” he said. “It’s kind of different. Especially just with this team, being the longest with this team. Being able to help everybody. Even with Garrett (Reynolds), trying to help him out. Who is a solid addition to this team. It’s a big role but I like those things. I like changes, because that way it keeps you more engaged, things start getting a little less boring.”
June 9, 2015 at 7:47 pm #26061InvaderRamModeratori would personally like to see saffold on the left side.
i remember that walter jones, steven hutchinson, shaun alexander trio running for some big yards in seattle back in the day. that’s what i’d like to see on the rams. except with a mason gurley duo taking turns.
June 10, 2015 at 2:14 am #26076znModeratorRams need big things from Saffold, Robinson on O-line this season
By Jim Thomas
If the Rams are going to get it done on the offensive line this season, the left side tandem of guard Rodger Saffold and tackle Greg Robinson must lead the way.
Just four days removed from his 27th birthday, Saffold suddenly finds himself the most experienced Rams offensive lineman with 60 NFL starts. He’s also the second-oldest member of the unit. (Free-agent pickup Garrett Reynolds, who turns 28 on July 1, has Saffold by 11 months.)
“Yeah, I’m doing my best with that,” Saffold said. “It’s kinda different. Especially with this team, being with this team the longest.”
Saffold is the longest-tenured member of the Rams’ offense, entering his sixth season in St. Louis after being picked in the second round of the 2010 draft out of Indiana University. Only defensive end Chris Long (2008) and linebacker James Laurinaitis (2009) have been with team longer overall.
“It’s a big role, but I like those things,” Saffold said. “I like changes because that way it keeps you more engaged. Things start getting a little less boring.”
Things figure to be anything but boring on the offensive line this season. The Rams could very well be starting rookies at both right guard and right tackle, as well as a center who’s never started an NFL regular-season game.
Strangely, Robinson has gone from a raw rookie attempting to learn the game in 2014 to one of the team’s most experienced blockers in a year’s time. Robinson’s 12 starts are more than any offensive lineman other than Saffold’s 60 and Reynolds’ 27.
“It’s kinda shocking just to see that because there’s a lot of young guys that were in my position last year,” Robinson said.
Last year, Robinson’s head was spinning as he went from a simple run-oriented offense at Auburn to a pro-style offense brimming with formations and complex pass protection schemes. This year, Robinson finds himself getting questions from the Rams’ six rookie offensive linemen trying to figure out who to block.
“And surprisingly, I can talk to them about it,” Robinson said, laughing. “Last year, I was the one asking questions.”
This year, Saffold and Robinson must help answer questions on a unit that is the team’s biggest question mark.
“I have to step up — along with Rodger,” Robinson said. “Me and him were here the whole offseason, so it should pay off.”
They were around so much because they have been recovering from early offseason operations and working frequently with the Rams athletic training staff on their rehab. Saffold underwent shoulder surgery (specifically a torn labrum), while Robinson had a turf toe injury repaired.
They have rehabbed together, worked out together and watched film together long before the formal start of the offseason conditioning program April 20. Both have been limited on the practice field since the OTA sessions started last week.
The Rams are hoping Saffold can take a step forward career-wise after being bothered by shoulder issues the past couple of years.
“Well, it’s fixed,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “We have every reason to expect that thing’s not going to pop out every three weeks like it did. There’s so much ahead for him, right now, from an upper-body strength (standpoint). We’re just trying to be smart with him right now.”
Saffold had the surgery done as soon as the season ended, and it was a clean surgery. In other words, there was damage only to the labrum — and nothing else.
“I haven’t had much pain or problems,” Saffold said. “It’s been pretty much smooth sailing. Right now I’m ahead of the curve.”
The Rams are taking it slow with Saffold, and Robinson as well. No need to rush things in early June.
Robinson suffered his turf toe at the end of last season, and similar to Saffold, had surgery right after the season.
“It wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be,” Robinson said. “But the first part, just staying off it, was real tough. But as I got to moving a little more, I became a lot more comfortable. So it was really just staying focused and getting stronger, keeping my conditioning up.”
Robinson said he’s making progress on a daily basis and expects to be full-go by the start of training camp. The conditioning work and weight training have paid off. He has dropped 20 pounds, to 319, and the baby fat is gone.
“He feels good,” Fisher said. “His strength has increased, so if there’s a little bit of weight loss and an increase in strength, that’s a good thing.”
Besides all the conditioning work, Robinson said he started eating healthier in the offseason. Not that he’s become a health freak and is subsisting on tree bark and trail mix.
“I still cheat here and there but it’s a lot more limited than usual,” he said.
So he didn’t give up a favorite food, such as doughnuts?
“No, I didn’t,” he told a reporter. “You want to go out for some doughnuts?”
At the lighter weight, Robinson hopes to increase his quickness — the better to handle all those speed rushers at left tackle.
At this point, Robinson can’t really gauge if he has indeed gotten quicker, because he isn’t practicing full-go yet. But it feels that way.
“I feel like I’m moving a lot better,” Robinson said. “Hopefully, it goes through as planned. I really can’t sense the future, but now my main focus is just making progress each day.”
June 10, 2015 at 9:59 am #26080znModeratorJones one of three competing for Rams’ center job
By Howard Balzer
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams selected four offensive linemen in this year’s draft, and it’s possible two will be starters on the right side when the season opens.
Second-round pick Rob Havenstein has been working with the first unit at right tackle in OTAs, and third-round pick Jamon Brown has been doing the same at right guard.
It’s possible free-agent addition Garrett Reynolds could end up starting at guard, but either way the right side will feature newcomers after right tackle Joe Barksdale signed with San Diego and right guard Davin Joseph wasn’t re-signed.
There will also be a new starter at center after the March release of Scott Wells, and while none of the current candidates is a rookie, there isn’t much game experience either. That’s why line coach Paul Boudreau has been rotating all three players — Barrett Jones, Tim Barnes and Demetrius Rhaney — during OTAs on a daily basis among the first, second and third units.
A fourth-round pick in 2013, Jones arrived in St. Louis with a Lisfranc injury to his foot suffered in the SEC Championship Game that required surgery. He played just three games as a rookie, and then played only seven last season after undergoing back surgery.
Barnes has been with the Rams since 2011 and played 45 games, mostly on special teams. He did get his feet wet as a starter for four games in 2013 when Wells was injured. Rhaney was a seventh-round pick last year and missed the entire season after suffering a knee injury in training camp.
Obviously, whoever starts on Sept. 13 against Seattle won’t have a lot of games under his belt.
Said Jones, “We have three good candidates from what I see, and I think it’s pretty open. You’ve got to make the most of your opportunities for sure. We’re all working hard, and grinding. On different days we get work with different groups.”
During the Rams’ first full week of three OTAs, each had a practice working with the first unit, and each also worked with the twos and threes.
“As far as I know it will continue that way until somebody says otherwise,” Jones concluded.
Head coach Jeff Fisher said, “We’re not going to make a decision real early. We’ll let them all play. We’re rotating them. They’re all getting opportunities to work with (quarterback) Nick (Foles), so he’s familiar, not only with the exchanges, but also the communication. We’ll make that decision when somebody shows us he’s earned the job.”
Barnes entered the offseason as a free agent after the Rams elected not to tender him as a restricted free agent. He talked to a few teams, but ended up back with the Rams on a one-year deal worth just over $710,000, significantly less than what the restricted tender of $1.542 million would have been.
He has described taking “a do or die” approach to this offseason and training camp, knowing that it’s possible he could be the starter, backup, or off the roster.
Rhaney is the wild card in the competition. He worked to add at least five pounds of muscle in the offseason, and is comfortable with some of the zone blocking philosophy that has been added to the offense because it’s what he experienced at Tennessee State.
Jones said the new concepts on offense are working well because the coaches “have done a great job of making things simple for us. Everyone’s on the same page. There was a learning curve, but that’s why we have this time together now. We’re right on schedule and we’re learning a lot every day.”
He also hopes what he learned from Wells will help in his quest to win the starting job.
Said Jones, “He embodied the word veteran. I learned a lot from him on how to approach the game week by week. How to break down film and learn the things that make you a pro; that separates you in this league. I’m very grateful for that. After he left, I texted him to say how much I appreciated all the time he took and taught me some of the tricks of the trade.”
The mental side of being the center and making the calls are also important aspects of playing the position.
As Fisher noted, “It’s really important. Scott did a really good job with it. Scott was really smart. There’s no indications at this point that there’s going to be limitations from the mental standpoint with the guys that are competing. They all understand.”
NOTES, QUOTES
–With the Rams in their second week of OTAs, six other NFL teams will be holding their three-day minicamps. Next week, when the Rams wrap up their OTAs, 25 other teams will have minicamps.
It has become head coach Jeff Fisher’s philosophy to not have a minicamp. This year, the Rams entered the offseason with a new offensive coordinator (Frank Cignetti), a new quarterback (Nick Foles) and with the certainty of having three new starters on the offensive line, two of whom could be rookies.
A minicamp would result in three additional practices, but Fisher said he never reconsidered his stance on conducting one.
“No, I didn’t think it was necessary,” Fisher insisted. “I think when you look actually at the veteran minicamp, it’s really no different than an OTA. You’re allowed to go on the field once. You get to have a walk-through. You get to keep them in the building for 12 hours rather than six. I personally think that’s too much and too long during the offseason. There’s a distinct difference between what we can do with the rookies and what we can do with the veterans. There’s a six-hour time limit window on OTA day and two hours on the field. There’s no restrictions with the rookies.
“We’re getting a lot of extra time with the rookies in the afternoon. We’re getting caught up. I’ve just always been one of those that has been opposed to the mandatory minicamp, especially back in the days when you’ve got to go on the field twice a day. It just made no sense to me that you’re taking professional athletes and making them practice twice a day in the middle of the offseason. It didn’t make sense, probably because I hated it (when I was a player).”
June 11, 2015 at 7:49 am #26101canadaramParticipantI wonder if it’s possible that Rhaney or Barnes end up starting at C and Jones ends up starting at one of the G spots? To answer my own question, sure I guess it’s possible, lots of things are possible. I guess it’s more of a “what are the chances?” type of question. Jones doesn’t have the size of Brown, so he might not have the physical upside as a run blocker, but in the short term I wonder if he ends up getting a chance at guard?
June 11, 2015 at 8:22 am #26103znModeratorI wonder if it’s possible that Rhaney or Barnes end up starting at C and Jones ends up starting at one of the G spots? To answer my own question, sure I guess it’s possible, lots of things are possible. I guess it’s more of a “what are the chances?” type of question. Jones doesn’t have the size of Brown, so he might not have the physical upside as a run blocker, but in the short term I wonder if he ends up getting a chance at guard?
I really think Reynolds is the other guard, and IMO probably ahead of Brown.
June 11, 2015 at 12:35 pm #26108canadaramParticipantI really think Reynolds is the other guard, and IMO probably ahead of Brown.
Yes, that’s my best guess to start the season. It’d be great to see Jones stay healthy and grab a position somewhere on the line. He’s got the potential to be a pretty versatile contributor.
June 11, 2015 at 3:53 pm #26119znModeratorfrom off the net
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Prometheus Faulk
Battle for Rams Center job likely to last into Training Camp. Step right up and place your bets!
Door #1: The Pedigree. A 4th rounder from one of college football’s true powerhouses, a key ingredient in their National Championship run, a smart dude who has played multiple positions, but has battled a variety of health ailments that have held him back from seeing any action professionally.
Door #2: The Experience. An undrafted free agent who was tossed into the fire on several occasions into a line in complete disrray, often missing the veteran left tackle and several other key pieces, would go into places like Seattle and help guide the remaining youngsters to the best of his ability with presnap calls.
Door #3: The Strength. Last year’s seventh round pick, from a small school but has one key element to his game you love about any offensive lineman – he can outmuscle dudes and push them away from the play.
June 11, 2015 at 5:11 pm #26121znModeratorBattle for Rams’ center job likely to last into training camp
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Depending on the day, the St. Louis Rams have a different starting center at every organized team activity.
One day it’s Tim Barnes, another it’s Barrett Jones and the next it’s Demetrius Rhaney. It’s a three-person competition that figures to continue deep into training camp and perhaps all the way through the preseason.
“We’re not going to make a decision real early,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “We’ll let them all play. We’re rotating them. They’re all getting opportunities to work with Nick (Foles), so he’s familiar not only with the exchanges but also the communication. We’ll make that decision when somebody shows us he’s earned the job.”
In other words, don’t expect that decision to come any time soon.
When the Rams released veteran Scott Wells before the start of free agency in March, they parted ways with the only center on the roster with substantial starting experience. Wells had struggled in recent seasons, but he at least started all 16 games in 2014 and 19 more for the Rams in the previous two seasons.
Upon re-signing Barnes and choosing not to pursue outside options in free agency or the draft, the Rams committed to finding Wells’ replacement in house. Each of the options brings something different to the table, but none really offers much playing experience. In fact, Barnes’ four starts account for all of the starting experience among the three contenders for the job.
Because of those four games, Barnes got first dibs on working with the top offense at the team’s first OTA. Jones came second and then Rhaney, and the Rams have continued to mix it up through the first two weeks.
For Barnes, the time is now to prove he belongs. He’s been on the Rams’ active roster since 2012, appearing in 45 games along the way, but most of that work has been limited to special teams. He filled in for an injured Wells in 2013, stepping in for those four starts and playing a career-high 257 offensive snaps in the process.
This offseason, the Rams declined to tender Barnes as a restricted free agent, allowing him to explore his options. He visited Kansas City, but ultimately the chance to compete for the starting job with the Rams brought him back.
“That was the main factor was, it was kind of like being a free agent out of college again as far as you want to find a place you are going to be able to compete for the job,” Barnes said. “I have been a backup for a few years now, and I know I’m getting older and it’s time. It could be do or die, you never know. So this was a great opportunity, and that was our goal to find a place to give me an opportunity to start and play.”
While Barnes’ playing experience is limited, he’s a seasoned veteran compared to Jones and Rhaney.
Jones came to the Rams in the 2013 NFL draft out of Alabama as one of the most decorated college linemen of all time. But a litany of injuries, including a 2014 back surgery, has kept Jones on the sideline. In two seasons he’s played in 10 games, but only against Kansas City last year did he appear on offense — and that was for just 22 snaps. That’s the extent of his experience aside from special teams.
The Rams view Jones as one of their most intelligent players, and from that standpoint he might be the most prepared to take over the job. The key for him is proving his body is ready to hold up for the grind of a 16-game season. To that end, he took advantage of his first healthy offseason by adding muscle and showing up leaner for OTAs. He says this is as healthy as he’s felt since he arrived in the NFL.
“I definitely wanted to be 100 percent,” Jones said. “When I had back surgery last year, I wasn’t able to work out for a long time, so I wanted to put a lot more muscle on. I feel really good about where my body is, make-up-wise, and getting to work out a whole offseason healthy.”
Rhaney represents the wild card in the mix. Although he’s even more unproven than Barnes and Jones, the second-year center has his share of supporters in the organization. After a knee injury cost the 2014 seventh-round draft choice his rookie season, Rhaney said he’s added about five pounds of muscle in the offseason.
It should help Rhaney’s cause that the Rams offense has a few tweaks coming that seem to play into his skill set. Rhaney said he played in a zone-heavy scheme at Tennessee State and that new Rams offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti is adding wrinkles to the scheme that fit his style of play.
“The stuff we are running now is similar to what I ran in college, so that’s probably why I’m so happy about it,” Rhaney said. “Once I get the plays completely all the way down, I’ll feel real good. It’s exactly what I did in college. My quickness and stuff, that’s what made me stand out more.”
With three candidates to sort through, it’s safe to expect the Rams to take their time to figure out who gives them the best chance.
“We are all working hard and we have three good candidates,” Jones said. “It’s pretty open. You have got to make the most of your opportunities, for sure, and obviously it’s one of the interesting things about the NFL. It’s two of your good buddies on the team and you are competing for spots and jobs, and it’s just what you’ve got to do. You’ve got to go out there and work hard and compete.”
June 11, 2015 at 5:31 pm #26123znModeratorThe Rams’ Young Offensive Line Has Much to Prove
Posted by: DMarco Farr
http://www.101sports.com/2015/06/11/the-rams-young-offensive-line-has-much-to-prove/
Young and athletic. You’ll hear those adjectives used ad nauseam leading up to the Rams’ 2015 season, but in the case of the offensive line, they’re fitting descriptions.
I’d be shocked if Tim Barnes and second-round pick Rob Havenstein (6-7, 321) are not week one starters at center and right tackle, respectively.
Remember when Kyle Turley was just a right tackle and liked playing football in in St. Louis? Get ready for for a rebirth of that scene on game day. Havenstein is a few scary tats and a couple of fist fights away from Mr Turley’s neighborhood.
Tim Barnes is another story.
Is Barnes better than the beat up version of Scott Wells in 2014? There are doubters, but let’s let the Rams’ center answer that question when he stumps for a starting role in training camp. He’s going to have to convince the decision makers with his pads.
Side eye to third-round pick Jamon Brown. Lets hope the team gives this 6’4″ 323-pounder out of Louisville the opportunity stake a claim for a starting nod at guard. Of course, this depends on how Brown plays against air before taking on actual bodies.
Every NFL team whose plans go awry will state the obvious coming into training camp. “We’ve been impressed with the young players’ athleticism.”
What else is there to say in mid-June? There’s no other way to judge this early.
In other words, if a team surrendered more than 40 sacks in 2014 and poor pass protection contributed to adverse quarterback play, “young” and “athletic” are mainstays in your sports vernacular for the summer months.
Also, running the football will be the primary objective of every NFL head coach going into training camp.
For Jeff Fisher and company, though, the directive doesn’t change once the regular season begins.
Its good time to be big and strong in St. Louis.
June 12, 2015 at 6:21 pm #26178znModeratorGreg Robinson expecting big improvement in second season
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Surrounded by a group of offensive linemen that includes four rookies taken in this year’s NFL draft, second-year offensive tackle Greg Robinson finds himself in something of a strange position.
After the St. Louis Rams opted for a nearly complete makeover of their offensive line in the offseason, Robinson is now the second-most experienced projected starter on the line. This time last year, Robinson was attaching himself to the likes of Jake Long, Rodger Saffold and Joe Barksdale in an effort to get up to speed as fast as possible.
A year later, Robinson is the player the rookie linemen are turning to for answers.
“Last year, I was the one asking the questions,” Robinson said, laughing.
That’s not to say that Robinson has all the answers yet, either. When the Rams used the No. 2 overall pick on him in the 2014 NFL draft, they knew it would take some time for him to turn raw ability into polished production. That is why Robinson’s rookie season came with more than its share of bumps along the way.
Robinson started out as a guard, biding his time on the bench the first four weeks of the season before finally moving into the starting lineup. With Long in place, the Rams hoped Robinson could help at guard for a season before taking his projected left tackle spot permanently. That experiment lasted little more than two games before another ACL injury ended Long’s season in week 8.
The Rams decided to turn the future into the present by moving Robinson outside to left tackle. They stuck with that idea this offseason when they released Long.
Buoyed by the knowledge that his natural left tackle position is where his future lies, Robinson has spent the offseason recovering from a turf toe injury suffered in the season finale against Seattle and attempting to get in better shape.
It’s so far, so good on both fronts as Robinson said he has dropped 20 pounds to get down to 319 from 339 and is already doing individual drills after rehabilitating from the toe injury.
“I feel like I’m making progress every day,” Robinson said. “They don’t really want me rushing it. So I’m just going with whatever the coaches say and just trying to stay locked in and pay as much attention as possible.”
Robinson probably could participate in team drills during practice now, but the Rams don’t see the need to rush him.
“He’s been working here,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “He’s been rehabbing and he’s working and he feels good. His strength has increased. If there’s a little bit of weight loss and increase of strength, that’s a good thing.”
Dropping the weight should allow Robinson to use his athleticism in space more.
“That’s the plan,” Robinson said. “I feel like I’m moving a lot better. It’s coming from not being able to run at all to making progress and transition back to the field, but they don’t want me rushing it.”
In the meantime, Robinson has spent those team drill sessions focused on the mental side of things. Unlike last year, when he was asked to learn two positions at the same time, Robinson no longer has to concern himself with anything but tackle.
With the Rams adding some new offensive wrinkles, including more zone blocking, Robinson is getting a chance to do more of what he did at Auburn, where the Tigers mixed zone and man blocking schemes. The Rams appear to be headed toward mixing the two more than they already did this year.
Robinson hopes those new wrinkles and his additional time spent learning the offense will pay off in his second season. With three new starters projected elsewhere on the line, the Rams can’t afford to wait for Robinson to take much more time to develop.
“I feel like the game has slowed down a little bit for me, just by me going through the walkthroughs and getting off on the snap count and stuff,” Robinson said. “I haven’t been making as many mistakes as I was last year, so I think the main focus is just getting the playbook and trying my best to learn as much as possible so I won’t be thinking as much on the line.”
June 12, 2015 at 9:22 pm #26183znModeratorRobinson has spent the offseason recovering from a turf toe injury suffered in the season finale against Seattle and attempting to get in better shape.
I thought that was earlier on.
Nope. End of the season.
June 12, 2015 at 9:55 pm #26187InvaderRamModeratorwhat are the hit rates for offensive linemen by round?
just trying to figure out how difficult a task the rams face potentially starting two offensive linemen in 2015.
June 12, 2015 at 10:15 pm #26188znModeratorwhat are the hit rates for offensive linemen by round?
just trying to figure out how difficult a task the rams face potentially starting two offensive linemen in 2015.
I actually calculated that once, but you can’t take it as strict. I just counted and estimated. However I think it’s more or less right.
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rough calculations… OL draft “hits,” different rounds
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May 11, 2015 at 11:24 pmI looked at 2002-2011, because 2011 is far back enough to get a read, and back to 2002 covers a decade.
I wasn’t very detailed. Just flew in, got rough estimates, had a sandwich, flew out.
But the numbers should be pretty “more or less” good.
So. What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from rounds 6-7 ended up as “hits”? I am counting that as continuing starters.
I get 23 of 150. Just over 15%.
What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from rounds 4-5 ended up as “hits”?
I get 29 of 117. Just under 25%. There’s about 2 dozen more borderline guys after the first 29.
What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from round 3 ended up as “hits”?
I get 32 of 50. Just under 64%.
What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from round 2 ended up as “hits”?
I get 33 of 49. Just over 67%.
June 13, 2015 at 12:12 am #26189znModeratorThree Rams linemen compete to take over at center
By Joe Lyons
Going into the final week of OTAs at Rams Park, the battle at center appears to be a three-man race involving Tim Barnes, Barrett Jones and Demetrius Rhaney.
That’s not likely to change any time soon.
“We’re not going to make a decision real early,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “We’ll let them all play. We’re rotating them. They’re all getting opportunities to work with (new quarterback Nick Foles), so he’s familiar, not only with the exchanges, but also the communication. We’ll make that decision when somebody shows us he’s earned the job.”
Scott Wells, an 11-year pro who won a Super Bowl and earned a spot in the Pro Bowl in 2011 with the Green Bay Packers, signed as a free agent with the Rams in 2012 and spent the last three seasons as the team’s center – when he was healthy.
Wells missed the first nine games of 2012 with a foot injury and sat out the final four games of 2013 with a fractured fibula. The 34-year-old battled through injuries to make all 16 starts a year ago and was released, along with tackle Jake Long, in March.
“Jake and Scott brought experience and professionalism to our program and we appreciate that commitment and hard work,” Fisher said at the time. “Both of them overcame injury difficulties and provided leadership for our younger players.”
Both Barnes and Jones said they learned a lot from Wells.
“I always made a point to sit next to Scott in the meeting room,” said Barnes, a fourth-year pro from the University of Missouri. “Over the last few years, I asked him a ton of questions.”
Jones added: “I’m grateful for the time he took to teach me a few tricks of the trade. His approach to the game, week by week, and the way he broke down film, he showed us what being a pro is all about.”
But with Wells gone, there’s an opportunity for someone else at center and, for now at least, Barnes, Jones and Rhaney are rotating in practice to give all three a chance to work as starters and as back-ups.
“It’s kind of strange because we’re good friends and we’re competing for the same job,” Jones said. “We’re working hard and pushing each other because we know that’s best for the team.
“At the same time, you try not to worry too much about the big picture because I think you can be consumed by that and it’s not healthy. All you can do is work hard every day and let the rest take care of itself.”
Jones, 25, won three national titles at Alabama and earned All-American honors at three different positions before being selected by the Rams in the fourth round of the 2013 draft. He entered the league as one of the most decorated offensive linemen in college football history, but his development with the Rams has been slowed by injury.
Jones suffered an injury to his left foot late in his college career, and the eventual surgery severely limited his training heading into his rookie campaign. That season, he played in three late-season games on special teams.
Jones, who stands 6-foot-4 and weights 308 pounds, ran into similar problems early in training camp last year, suffering a back injury that required surgery and limited him to just seven games of special-teams action.
“It’s just fun to be out here competing,” he said following a recent session at Rams Park. “I feel as good as I’ve felt in a long time. I’ll tell you, it’s tough going up against our D-line when you’re not 100 percent. But I’ve been able to work out all through the offseason, able to add some muscle and lean up a little bit. I don’t know the exact numbers — big guys, we get a little anxious about those body-fat tests — but I feel great and I’m really looking forward to competing at training camp.”
Jones knows this is a pivotal season. “It’s a performance-based league,’’ he said, “and I have to perform.”
Barnes, 27, of Longwood, Mo., signed with the Rams in 2011 after spending some time in training camp with Baltimore. In three seasons, he has played in 45 games, including four starts in place of Wells to close out the 2013 campaign.
“This is something I’ve been working for as long as I’ve been in the league, working my way up from the practice squad to backup and special teams,” Barnes said. “It’s a chance to compete and to hopefully show that I can do the job.”
Like Jones, Barnes knows the pressure is on.
“When I’m out there, I have to make every rep count,” the 6-foot-4, 306-pounder said. “As a professional, you never want to be too satisfied, so you really have to focus on the details — your technique and your fundamentals. Right now, I’m working to get comfortable with Nick and the other quarterbacks and to be as consistent as possible.”
To this point, Rhaney’s claim to fame is his draft position. He was selected in the seventh round of the 2014 draft, one pick after Mizzou defensive end Michael Sam, the first openly gay player drafted into the NFL.
The 6-2, 301-pounder from Tennessee State spent his rookie season on injured reserve after suffering a knee injury during training camp a year ago.
“Turned out to be a redshirt year, I guess,” the 22-year-old said. “It gave me a chance to learn my playbook, to get stronger and to learn from (offensive line coach Paul T. Boudreau), coach (Fisher) and (assistant offensive line coach Andy Dickerson).
“My knee feels great. I’m stronger and I’m still moving around pretty well, even with the knee brace.”
The Rams have been impressed with Rhaney’s quick feet and low center of gravity.
“The coaches keep telling us that it’s anybody’s job and I’m going to compete and really go after it,” Rhaney said. “We’re going to compete hard every single day and in the end the guy who shows he can do the best job is the one who’ll end up starting.”
June 13, 2015 at 5:13 pm #26216znModeratorD’marco Farr:
I’d be shocked if Tim Barnes and second-round pick Rob Havenstein (6-7, 321) are not week one starters at center and right tackle, respectively.
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Is Barnes better than the beat up version of Scott Wells in 2014? There are doubters, but let’s let the Rams’ center answer that question when he stumps for a starting role in training camp. He’s going to have to convince the decision makers with his pads.
I am not this Barnes flag-waver. I am all “wait and see” on the centers. I have no idea who will win the starting job and/or who if anyone gets cut.
But, why would Farr make positive assumptions about Barnes at this point?
My guess is, that all things being equal, he would just prefer the experience. The next question is, ARE all things equal? Right now Farr thinks they are, and I assume that comes from watching them practice this year. Though I am sure he would add it’s still early and a lot could still happen.
Some say they didn’t tender him which tells us what to think of what they think of him. (But then, if they thought that, why is he in a 3-way competition? Do you bring back someone you don’t like for a 3-way competition?) Some say the Rams and Barnes already had an understanding about the money and that he was just not going to sign anywhere else. Both views are just speculation, IMO, though not wild out of bounds speculation.
I think Jones is the fan favorite.
On Barnes. If he comes through and holds his own, it would not surprise me, because it would not be the first time a developmental lineman had a turning point and came through. Mebane did handle him when he played in 2013, but then, maybe that means he learned from it and the adding bulk and strength (which he reportedly did_ was part of the lesson. But again, who’s to say at this point.
Rhaney is an intriguing prospect. Him being the youngest of the 3 doesn’t daunt me—last year, for example, the league had several rookie centers who had to play or start from the get-go, and a couple of them did quite well for themselves. So I don’t rule him out, either.
Me? I like the idea that all 3 could turn out fine…and so far, because it;s early, I don’t have a favorite. You know, in theory, this could go anywhere from not one of them coming through, to one of them does and it’s fine, all the way up to all three being starting caliber and good. I could see reasons for any of those scenarios happening.
June 13, 2015 at 5:43 pm #26217AgamemnonParticipantBarnes was a RFA. The Rams did not tender him. They signed him to a minimum wage one year deal with a few incentives. This indicates to me that they are just as happy with Jones and Rhaney. It might not make much difference how the center position plays out if they are all about the same. But, Jones was always a favorite of mine. 😉
June 13, 2015 at 9:03 pm #26226InvaderRamModeratorwhat are the hit rates for offensive linemen by round?
just trying to figure out how difficult a task the rams face potentially starting two offensive linemen in 2015.
I actually calculated that once, but you can’t take it as strict. I just counted and estimated. However I think it’s more or less right.
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rough calculations… OL draft “hits,” different rounds
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May 11, 2015 at 11:24 pmI looked at 2002-2011, because 2011 is far back enough to get a read, and back to 2002 covers a decade.
I wasn’t very detailed. Just flew in, got rough estimates, had a sandwich, flew out.
But the numbers should be pretty “more or less” good.
So. What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from rounds 6-7 ended up as “hits”? I am counting that as continuing starters.
I get 23 of 150. Just over 15%.
What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from rounds 4-5 ended up as “hits”?
I get 29 of 117. Just under 25%. There’s about 2 dozen more borderline guys after the first 29.
What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from round 3 ended up as “hits”?
I get 32 of 50. Just under 64%.
What percentage of OL taken in that time frame from round 2 ended up as “hits”?
I get 33 of 49. Just over 67%.
going by those numbers i actually feel a little bit better about the oline situation. just calculating odds of havenstein and brown being hits. chance should be around 40% or so. chances of any two of their rookie offensive linemen hitting i’m not too sure, but i’m guessing it’s around 50%. essentially a coin flip.
June 13, 2015 at 9:06 pm #26227InvaderRamModeratorBarnes was a RFA. The Rams did not tender him. They signed him to a minimum wage one year deal with a few incentives. This indicates to me that they are just as happy with Jones and Rhaney. It might not make much difference how the center position plays out if they are all about the same. But, Jones was always a favorite of mine.
jones is a favorite of mine. i think if he’s healthy he should be the starting center. that’s a huge if though.
June 15, 2015 at 1:18 pm #26310znModeratorjones is a favorite of mine. i think if he’s healthy he should be the starting center. that’s a huge if though.
More thoughts on this.
Wagoner:
1) Rotating centersThe Rams have been cycling through three players at center along the offensive line at OTAs: Barrett Jones, Tim Barnes, and Demetreus Rhaney. Fisher said on Tuesday that the team will be patient in making the decision for who will start.
“They’re all getting opportunities to work with Nick, so he’s familiar, not only with the exchanges, but also the communication,” Fisher said. “We’ll make that decision when somebody shows us he’s earned the job.”
This reminds me of the 99 off-season competition at MLB.
They may or may not have a favorite at this point, but they watch film of practices, not just of pre-season games.
Plus of course, they are probably wary of injuries so in a sense all 3 have to be ready. I mean, last year they had 4 injured centers. So I imagine they are wary of that snake biting again.
As Fisher says, since it’s a competition, Foles at this point has to know all of them. They don’t know who they will end up with.
Fisher makes all big decisions patiently. 3 weeks into training camp things could be much clearer than they are now.
Incidentally, they also have to find out if David Wang has anything, though he is obviously relegated to the low rung—a 3rd if he makes it, or the practice squad. DW has interesting write-ups.
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