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  • #84550
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    Alden Gonzalez, ESPN Staff Writer
    http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0770034834042003091-4

    It’s hard for me to see the Rams trading for Odell Beckham Jr. without soon signing him to a long-term extension, primarily because Beckham is basically demanding one but also because they would hope to avoid what happened with Sammy Watkins (giving up a second-round pick, then losing him after one season). OverTheCap.com has the Rams projected with $100.55M and $163.82M in cap space the next two years, respectively. No team has more. But Beckham would become the game’s highest-paid receiver and Aaron Donald needs to become the highest-paid defensive player. Todd Gurley is one year behind them, and Jared Goff a year after that. Can they keep all four (and Ndamukong Suh, who’s still weighing his options)? That’s a rubik’s cube for Les Snead.

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    Dan Graziano, ESPN Staff Writer

    http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0770005558865436078-4

    I’d be surprised if the Giants made an Odell Beckham trade this offseason, and here’s why: They know the good stuff about him better than any acquiring team would. Beckham has always been, since he was drafted, a player who’s impressed coaches and teammates with the way he works in the building. He’s a good, hard-working practice player and a strong contributor in meetings. He’s an exceptional player, and in the confines of the Giants’ building, he’s been what they’ve asked him to be. The issues involving on-field temper tantrums, punching walls, etc., along with stuff like the recent video and the chance that they may never be able to sign him to the contract he wants could absolutely lead them to trade him at some point. But right now, the Giants are the only team that knows the inside-the-building good stuff about Beckham, which leads me to believe they’re not likely to get enough in return to justify moving a 25-year-old player who’s making $8.5 million this year and is, when healthy, the best receiver in the league.

    #84557
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    apparently the rams are inquiring about a trade for obj.

    a fourth rounder. that’s all i’d give up.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-wr-odell-beckham-pursued-rams-trade-article-1.3897161

    One Rams executive, when approached by the Daily News at the Ritz-Carlton Grande Lakes Monday afternoon, declined comment but flashed a wry smile and didn’t deny it. “Where did you hear that?” the exec said.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    #84561
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    according to the article, giants want a first round pick. i’d only do that if they could extend him now. no one year rental and he’s gone next year like sammy did.

    #84578
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    according to the article, giants want a first round pick. i’d only do that if they could extend him now. no one year rental and he’s gone next year like sammy did.

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    Geezus H Christ.

    This is all frying my brain.

    #84597
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    I am at my personal quota of comfort with knuckleheads. Three is enough.

    #84599
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    …meanwhile, in Dallas:

    #84600
    JackPMiller
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    I like the WRs we have. I hope we don’t trade for O’Dell

    #84623
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    Here’s a case for OB made by CBS which lists the Rams as the #1 best fit for a trade.

    1. Los Angeles Rams
    The Rams have been busy this offseason, and they may not be done, even after signing Ndamukong Suh Monday. The New York Daily News’s Pat Leonard reported Monday that the team has already talked to the Giants about trading Beckham. The asking price: A first-round pick plus other compensation, though Leonard writes that any trade “likely won’t require two first-round picks to get it done.”

    Meanwhile, SNY’s Ralph Vacchiano described trade talks between the Giants and other teams thusly: “zero, nada, zilch.”

    The Rams, which traded for shutdown cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib, do have a need for a playmaking pass catcher, a role Sammy Watkins never grew into last season. Watkins signed with the Chiefs earlier this month, leaving a wide-receiver corps that includes Cooper Kupp (62 catches, 869 yards, five TDs), Robert Woods (56 catches, 781 yards, five TDs) and running back Todd Gurley (64 catches, 788 yards, six TDs).

    The addition of Beckham would make the Rams’ offense, which ranked sixth in the league in 2017, even more dangerous.

    Added bonus: Los Angeles has $31.3 million in salary-cap space, according to Spotrac.com, which is the sixth-most in the NFL.

    Part of the reason the Rams have so much cap space: Jared Goff is midway through his rookie deal. This also explains why the team is stacking its roster — after going 11-5 in coach Sean McVay’s first season, they’re ready for a Super Bowl run now; there is no waiting for Goff to grow into his role because he proved last season that he’s a capable quarterback. And before the Rams have to sign him to an extension that will almost certainly cost $30 million a year, they’re replicating what the Seahawks did early in Russell Wilson’s tenure and what the defending Super Bowl champion Eagles are doing now.

    It’s a sound strategy if you have a proven young quarterback, and even sounder if you can find a way to pair him with a player like Beckham.

    And I wonder about that. I wonder if the premise is indeed correct that the time to strike for the Super Bowl is right now, this season, because of the cap pressures they will have with second contracts for a number of critical players.

    #84626
    PA Ram
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    Ugh.

    No….just…no.

    I fear this can all blow up.

    And bringing in OBJ is just too much. They are really tempting fate here.

    I don’t know where all this money is coming from. I don’t see how you keep Beckam happy and still run the same type of offense. McVay was asked that today by Peter Schrager and his response was: “I expect to have a lot more snaps.”

    Therefore–more snaps is more offensive plays…is more touches for everyone…is everyone is happy.

    No.

    I get “going for it” within your window.

    I don’t feel good about this.

    Also–what about the offensive line? Three old guys and two younger players. What about depth?

    What about back-up quarterback? Are we putting all this on Mannion’s inexperience if the time comes?

    If that line has one or two injuries–who cares if Beckam is on the team? They won’t be able to run or pass.

    It’ll look real pretty on paper.

    But if those guys get frustrated(Gurley and Beckam) it won’t be pretty anymore.

    I’d rather have a well-rounded team.

    I hope they trade down and draft a lot of offensive linemen.

    But if they trade for Beckam that won’t happen–of course.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #84631
    Herzog
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    I definitely don’t want OBJ.

    #84632
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    i think that most young coaches, including McVay, believe that their culture, system, environment et al will bring out the best in people and limit the bad behavior…….

    It worked for Sammy Watkins, who wasn’t known for any “good citizenship” awards in Buffalo. The key is winning…. winning cures these potential tantrums………..

    Ask yourself….. would you rather have a well behaved Tavon Austin or OBJ to make a critical catch?… I don’t believe Tavon has ever made a game changing play, with maybe the exception of being a decoy on a punt return TD by Stedman Bailey…….

    But at the same time, Rams shouldn’t give up too much for OBJ; since Woods, Kupp, and Pharoh are a very decent core of WR’s, but Tavon is not……

    #84633
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    OBJ would be one too many characters for me. I would have to look for another team to cheer for. If all I cared about was winning, I would be a NE fan. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #84634
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    I think he is too expensive in terms of trade capital, and cap space. And in spite of his reputation as a good teammate who plays hard, I just…no. I’d rather have kept Watkins.

    #84637
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    I don’t think we need a receiver with his level of skills. Weird to say that, but I think we will be fine if Gurley, Woods and Kupp repeat or improve on last season, the tight ends get more involved in the offense and Reynolds/Cooper play regularly. It’s a lot of “ifs” and I would have preferred to have Watkins back or sign Jordy Nelson, but oh well.

    #84641
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    i don’t think i saw this posted yet. and i can’t remember where i read it. i think it was the new york daily. but apparently obj has talked to a couple rams players, and he wants to come to the rams. IF he gets traded. but he’d prefer to sign a long term deal with new york.

    i understand why people would not want him. and the only way i would want him is if they could sign him long term but not at the expense of losing donald, gurley, or goff.

    i would want him ahead of joyner or peters. the rams seem to be very good at drafting defensive backs anyway.

    obj i think is hof caliber.

    #84644
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    Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
    The #Giants are listening to trade calls/talks for Odell Beckham Jr and there have been several, I’m told. @wyche89 says the #Rams No. 23 pick is available. … what’s not clear is whether NY actually wants to trade him. Definitely open to listening, tho

    #84645
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    here’s the article.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/3-elements-satisfied-giants-trade-beckham-rams-article-1.3898756

    Does Beckham want to play for the Rams? One source told me at the league meetings that Beckham has told two Rams players he wants in. He does love New York, so his feeling for the Rams could quite possibly be only if the Giants trade him. Maybe he wants LA regardless.

    i just imagine goff, gurley, and beckham jr for the next four years.

    holy crap. how scary would that be?

    #84648
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    http://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/la-sp-rams-sean-mcvay-20180327-story.html

    How would a player such as Beckham hypothetically fit into the Rams offense?

    “Hypothetically, I think a player of his caliber can kind of really do everything,” McVay said.

    Asked, hypothetically, how he felt about trading a first-round pick or using other options to acquire a targeted player, McVay replied with what sounded like a not-so-veiled recruiting pitch.

    “One of the things that being able to play in such a unique environment and atmosphere like L.A., it provides an opportunity to take advantage of that,” he said, “and that’s something we want to be proactive about.”

    #84668
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    Why a Giants-Rams trade for Odell Beckham Jr. makes sense and more NFL news
    A trade for the star wide receiver could cost the Rams at least two first-round picks

    Pete Prisco

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-a-giants-rams-trade-for-odell-beckham-jr-makes-sense-for-both-teams/

    Should the New York Giants trade star receiver Odell Beckham Jr.?
    The answer is maybe.
    Should the Los Angeles Rams make the move to get him?
    Depends.
    The Giants say they aren’t actively seeking to trade their high-profile receiver, but any player is available for the right price and the Giants have seemingly tired of Beckham’s off-field issues and his act.
    He is coming off a season shortened by an ankle injury and he’s had his share of issues away from the field.
    On the field, Beckham is an amazing talent, one who can change a game with one catch and run. That’s why the Rams would make a lot of sense for Beckham Jr.
    It’s clear Los Angles is all-in the next two years as they get the luxury of using the rookie contract of quarterback Jared Goff as a way to handle their cap. That’s why they were able to trade for corners Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib and sign Ndamukong Suh to make the defense better.
    They lost speedy receiver Sammy Watkins in free agency to the Chiefs, so that’s one part of their offense that is missing. Beckham is a much better player than Watkins, which is why acquiring him is intriguing.
    The Rams are interested, even if they can’t say it. What would the price be? I hear it’s two first-round picks, this year’s (No. 23) and next year’s, which they would hope would be later in the first round.
    But they likely wouldn’t make that deal unless they could get assurances that Beckham would sign a long-term deal. It’s too risky otherwise since 2018 is the final year of his contract.
    He is scheduled to make $8.4 million next year, which is underpaid by league standards, especially when you consider Watkins got $16 million a year from the Chiefs. There is no way they would trade and then be forced to put the franchise tag on him next year if they didn’t get a new deal.
    “Hypothetically, a player of his caliber can kind of really do everything,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “We don’t really get into situations of discussing players that are under contract with another team.”
    Rams general manager Les Snead echoed those sentiments when I interviewed him for CBS Sports HQ on Tuesday because of the league’s tampering rules. But it’s apparent the Rams have an interest.
    It also sounds like the Giants are willing to let him go. Would two first-round picks be fair to get back? If you look at the Giants roster, they have a chance for a complete makeover.
    They could also trade out of the second spot in the draft to a quarterback-needy team – if they are sticking with Eli Manning for now – and they could add even more picks. This could be a draft to re-load for the future if they were to make those two moves.
    It would be a win-win for both. The Rams and McVay would get a home-run threat for their offense and truly be poised to make a push in the NFC, while the Giants can focus on the future without the Beckham distraction.
    The trade makes sense.
    Let’s see it happen.

    #84669
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    Odell Beckham Jr. to the Rams? Ten things to consider

    Alden Gonzalez

    http://www.espn.com/blog/los-angeles-rams/post/_/id/38196/10-steps-leading-towards-odell-beckham-jr-playing-for-the-rams

    LOS ANGELES — There’s no way, right? It was absurd that the Los Angeles Rams traded for two All-Pro corners and flat-out bonkers that they added one of the game’s best interior linemen to a defense that possesses the game’s best interior lineman. But now the Rams have been linked to New York Giants superstar Odell Beckham Jr., one of the game’s best wide receivers at only 25 years old. And here’s the crazy part: Nobody’s really ruling them out. Suddenly the Rams have become the NFL’s premier landing spot, capable of adding anyone at any time. But acquiring Beckham won’t be easy. Below, we sorted through the 10 things to consider, ranging from what has been established to what remains murky.

    What we know for sure …

    1. The Rams get L.A. They understand that you need to score a lot of points, that you need to be exciting, that you need to employ stars and that you need to take some serious risks to thrive in this market. So they moved up 14 spots to draft their potential franchise quarterback, Jared Goff, No. 1 overall. They took a shot on a 30-year-old, offense-minded head coach in Sean McVay. They traded for Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib, then signed Ndamukong Suh in the same offseason. And they’re building the biggest, baddest stadium on the planet, one that could cost close to $5 billion when you factor all of the surrounding land.

    2. They miss Sammy Watkins. McVay spoke longingly about Watkins while addressing the media from the owners meetings in Orlando, Florida, on Tuesday. It has been more than two weeks since Watkins signed a lucrative contract with the Kansas City Chiefs, and the Rams still aren’t quite sure how to replace him. McVay has talked about doing it “by committee,” which would mean more multiple-tight-end sets, a bigger role for Josh Reynolds and, perhaps, a little bit of Tavon Austin. Still, there’s no clear answer. Watkins finished with only 593 receiving yards, but McVay truly valued what his separation skills created for his offense. It’s something he can’t really duplicate in-house.

    3. They like making trades for first-round picks at the end of their rookie contracts. They did it with Watkins last August, and they did it with Peters this past February. The Rams have carved out a little niche for themselves here, pouncing when teams decide to part with elite players they aren’t willing to sign long term. It provides them with an immediate jolt of impact talent at a reasonable price, with the potential to at the very least secure a compensatory pick the following April. Beckham is in the exact same situation, owed less than $9 million in the final season of his rookie deal.

    4. They aren’t afraid to take on any character concerns. I mean, look at what they’ve done this offseason. Talib once yanked someone’s chain, Peters once chucked a penalty flag into the stands and Suh has habitually stepped on people. Literally. Beckham brawls with goal posts, punches walls, fights with Josh Norman, and on a more serious note, recently had a suspicious video surface. But he also works really hard and is really, really good at his job, just like Talib, Peters and Suh. The Rams are supremely confident in the culture that has already been established by McVay. Beckham won’t change that mindset.

    The Rams have a need at receiver after losing Sammy Watkins. Odell Beckham Jr. would be an upgrade. William Hauser/USA TODAY Sports
    What we pretty much know …

    5. The Rams are interested in acquiring Beckham. And really, this whole thing blows up without it. It all began with a New York Daily News report from Monday that stated the Rams “already have talked with the Giants about possibly trading” for Beckham. The Rams themselves have not refuted that report. In fact, McVay almost embraced the questions Tuesday. “We can’t talk about anybody that’s under contract with any other team, but I think, if there’s one thing you can appreciate about what we’ve done this offseason, there’s no trade we wouldn’t explore or look into if we feel like it can upgrade us as a team.” OK, that’s basically a non-answer. But the Rams are indeed interested. To what degree is hard to pinpoint. At this moment, however, it seems as if they’re merely doing their due diligence.

    What we probably know …

    6. The Rams would be among the Super Bowl favorites with Beckham. Their odds to win it all would actually go from 12-1 to 10-1 if they were to acquire him. (They began last season at 100-1, if you want another reminder for just how far they have come.) The Rams might possess the game’s best special-teams unit and have now built arguably the game’s best defense, with Suh, Aaron Donald and Michael Brockers up front, and Talib, Peters, Lamarcus Joyner, John Johnson and Nickell Robey-Coleman behind them. On offense, Beckham, Goff and Todd Gurley would come close to rivaling the Pittsburgh Steelers’ trio of Ben Roethlisberger, Le’Veon Bell and Antonio Brown — and the Rams might have better players around them.

    7. It’s going to take at least this year’s first-round pick to land Beckham. It took a second-round pick to pry Watkins away from the Buffalo Bills last summer, and Beckham is better. Perhaps significantly better. Some reports have stated the asking price would start with a first-round pick and go from there, the latter depending on just how high the demand becomes. It might take two first-round picks, perhaps some veteran players if the Giants cling to the belief that they can win now. The Rams have the No. 23 overall pick in this year’s draft — one they would ideally use to address their need at edge rusher — but then they don’t pick again until Round 3.

    What we don’t know much about …

    8. What the Rams’ competition would look like. Over the past few days, the Giants appeared to signal to teams that they are open for business when it comes to Beckham. It doesn’t mean they want to trade him; but it does mean they’ll get a sense for his market, which will probably influence their decision. Players this good and this young hardly ever become available, which is why you see lesser players sign such lucrative contracts on the free-agent market. The Miami Dolphins, Cleveland Browns, Indianapolis Colts and Arizona Cardinals all left the first wave of free agency with a major need at receiver. Others could probably factor in here, too.

    9. Whether the Giants will actually trade Beckham. This, of course, is the key question. And nobody seems to really know for sure. Here’s what ESPN Giants reporter Jordan Raanan wrote recently with regard to whether Beckham would still be with the team this coming season: The answer probably is yes. Nothing is guaranteed, but the odds favor Beckham being with the Giants this year and beyond. Many things would have to fall into place quickly in order for Beckham to be jettisoned from the team that drafted him 12th overall in 2014 by the time Week 1 rolls around in September. Any deal would almost certainly have to be made before next month’s draft because it would have to include some valuable draft picks. Possible, but not likely.

    10. How it can work for the Rams financially. This might be the trickiest part. It’s not so much about fitting Beckham into this year’s salary cap; there are a multitude of creative ways to free up enough money so that Beckham fits and the Rams still have enough in reserve to absorb Donald’s potential extension. I’m wondering about Beckham’s long-term fit. The Rams aren’t going to give up so much for Beckham without knowing they can sign him to an extension, which would of course require an inordinate sum. But Donald, Gurley and Goff are all one year apart,and the Rams plan to keep them all. Long term, it’s already going to be very tough to sign all three to extensions and still put enough pieces around them to win consistently. Beckham, too? And Peters?

    Well, consider this: OverTheCap.com projects the Rams with $94.5 million in cap space in 2019, second most in the NFL. In 2020, it’s $159.3 million, more than anybody else.

    #84670
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    This has been the strangest off-season since….?

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    #84671
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    This has been the strangest off-season since….?

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    I don’t like the OBJ trade idea.

    In terms of the off-season, my bet is they’re like this every year from now on. Go aggressively after mercs they can use for a year or 2.

    #84672
    Avatar photoEternal Ramnation
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    Given OBJ’s most recent problem L.A. would not be a good place for him. The strategy of trading draft picks for proven players discounted for attitude or behavioral problems seemed to work last year but if your turning half your roster over every year the culture your trying to build with all talk of ” family” becomes a soulless corpofamily like the cheatriots. OBJ is an amazing player but he has also been amazingly selfish to the detriment of his team and instead of maturing it seems like he’s regressing with this latest demand of wanting a new contract coming of a season where he barely played.

    #84673
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    For now I will trust in McVay. If he wants OBJ, then I hope he gets OBJ.

    But how many combustible personalities can you add until you reach the flash point?

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Avatar photonittany ram.
    #84675
    PA Ram
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    I have a feeling the Rams are on their way to becoming one of the most hated teams in the league.

    A lot of people will be waiting for this to fail and will applaud loudly if it does.

    I don’t especially care if they become a hated team if they are successful. But it will be weird. Usually the Rams are a vanilla team–not thought about one way or the other unless you’re a rival. But if they can achieve “most hated team”, that will really be something.

    It’s better to be looked at with hate than with sympathy if you’re an NFL team, I suppose. It means you’re doing…something.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #84677
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    This has been the strangest off-season since….?

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    I don’t like the OBJ trade idea.

    In terms of the off-season, my bet is they’re like this every year from now on. Go aggressively after mercs they can use for a year or 2.

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    Well i hope they sign Conrad Dobler soon. The dream-team needs hogs.

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    #84678
    JackPMiller
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    This has been the strangest off-season since….?

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    I don’t like the OBJ trade idea.

    In terms of the off-season, my bet is they’re like this every year from now on. Go aggressively after mercs they can use for a year or 2.

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    Well i hope they sign Conrad Dobler soon. The dream-team needs hogs.

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    I say we steal someone from the Patriots, that being John Hannah.

    #84682
    Hram
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    I concur with both ZNs comments.

    Don’t love obj for this team.

    Trading for short term mercs then pocketing the comp pick at the back end is likely the new norm.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 9 months ago by Hram.
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