OL in free agency … Barksdale, Blalock, Wisniewski, etc.

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  • #20604
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17074/now-about-fixing-that-rams-offensive-line
    Sunday, March 15, 2015
    Now, about fixing that Rams offensive line
    By Nick Wagoner

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams made a big splash in the opening minutes of free agency by making their bold quarterback trade and landing draft picks and cap space in the process.

    The Rams promptly went about using that newfound cap space to re-sign tight end Lance Kendricks. In the days that followed, they bolstered their defense by adding linebacker Akeem Ayers and defensive tackle Nick Fairley. On Friday night, the Rams brought back another of their own key free agents when they completed a two-year deal with wide receiver Kenny Britt.

    To this point, the only notable free agent of their own the Rams lost is quarterback Shaun Hill but they replaced him by trading for Case Keenum.

    All of those moves were solid and necessary but, of course, has left many wondering what the Rams plan to do about all those holes on the offensive line. It’s certainly a legitimate question to ask given the fact that the Rams only have guard Rodger Saffold and left tackle Greg Robinson coming back.

    In terms of salary-cap space, that number isn’t quite clear at the moment because the first-year cap numbers for Ayers and Britt aren’t yet known. But it’s probably fair to assume that the Rams still have around $11 million. Of course, they also have other ways to add more space if they want, including bonus conversions that could lower the number on players like end Robert Quinn (though the Rams prefer their pay-as-you-go approach).

    At the moment, there are three potential names the Rams are known to have interest in who could help fill the openings at right tackle, guard and center.

    RT Joe Barksdale — Barksdale’s market didn’t emerge the way some around the league thought it would and perhaps not the way his camp believed, which could be good news for the Rams. Barksdale got married Saturday so it’s possible the whole free-agent process has been on the back burner but it stands to reason his situation could crystallize in the next few days. The Rams always wanted him back but only at the right price. It’s starting to look like that price is more feasible unless another team jumps in with a bigger offer.

    G Justin Blalock — The former Atlanta Falcon almost makes too much sense for the Rams as a short-term placeholder who can start for a year or two while the Rams develop (presumably) a drafted guard. He fits the scheme and he has clear ties to Rams line coach Paul Boudreau and many in the Rams front office, including general manager Les Snead. Blalock took a visit to Detroit last week but left without signing. The Rams have had discussions with Blalock’s agent about his taking a visit to St. Louis and it seems likely that will happen. This is a match that probably comes down to simply making the financials match up.

    C Stefen Wisniewski — Wisniewski has been connected to the Rams since before free agency but has yet to visit St. Louis. He’s probably the best center still on the market but seems to be taking his time in making a decision. Wisniewski visited Tampa Bay and Seattle but left both places without making a decision. The Rams have had discussions with Wisniewski’s camp about bringing him in for a visit as well and that remains a real possibility.

    Others — There have been other rumors of offensive linemen who could be available including Philadelphia’s Evan Mathis by way of trade or potentially New Orleans’ Jahri Evans as a cap casualty. It doesn’t sound like the Rams are much interested in dealing a pick for an older offensive lineman but both would be possible solutions to fit a similar veteran role to what Blalock would provide.

    The Rams are clearly well aware of their needs on the offensive line, and given their cap space they could probably add two of the names above and perhaps all three if the prices dropped enough and they got creative with ways to clear more space. With the top names mostly picked over in free agency, the names above still figure to draw interest but none will break the bank when they make a decision.

    Agamemnon

    #20688
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    G Justin Blalock — The former Atlanta Falcon almost makes too much sense for the Rams as a short-term placeholder who can start for a year or two while the Rams develop (presumably) a drafted guard. He fits the scheme and he has clear ties to Rams line coach Paul Boudreau and many in the Rams front office, including general manager Les Snead. Blalock took a visit to Detroit last week but left without signing. The Rams have had discussions with Blalock’s agent about his taking a visit to St. Louis and it seems likely that will happen. This is a match that probably comes down to simply making the financials match up.

    I more or less just expect Blalock to sign. Makes sense for both sides.

    Plus he was hurt a bit this year, so, it makes him a fit.

    #20705
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    Poi-sonally, i aint worried about the Oline.
    They know everything depends on it — they’ll
    fill the holes. Might be with stud-rookies
    but I dont mind that.

    I bet that new 4th round pick goes for
    an OLineman, btw.

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    #20710
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Poi-sonally, i aint worried about the Oline.
    They know everything depends on it — they’ll
    fill the holes. Might be with stud-rookies
    but I dont mind that.

    I bet that new 4th round pick goes for
    an OLineman, btw.

    w
    v

    What round will you pick a goofy looking QB? Or aren’t there any in this year’s draft?

    Agamemnon

    #20711
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    ;What round will
    you pick a goofy looking QB? Or aren’t there any in this year’s draft?

    I’m thinking Bridge is a strong possibility.

    He has the goofy face,
    but I’m not sure about his
    hand size.

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    STRENGTHS: Tall, narrow body type with athletic footwork and long-striding speed to pick up yards with his legs. Elite-level arm strength and release quickness with the ability to add velocity and extra RPM’s on his throws with ease. Not shy about testing tight windows and trusts his arm to make frozen rope throws and put the ball anywhere he wants on the field.

    He has mobility to keep the play alive when the pocket breaks down, shaking off arm tackles and stepping up with his eyes downfield. Shows the ability to work through his reads and is a quick thinker to make snap decisions. Displayed outstanding toughness playing through an ankle injury most of November 2014.

    WEAKNESSES: Bridge has improved field vision, but needs to develop his eye use and tends to stare down receivers, often leading defenders to his intended target. His receivers will struggle to handle his fastball at times and Bridge needs to develop a change-up and overall better touch to all levels. His mechanics and accuracy need refined, but neither needs an overhaul.

    With only a dozen collegiate games under his belt, Bridge doesn’t have the ideal experience and might need a season or two to develop before he’s ready for consistent game reps, requiring a patient NFL team.

    COMPARES TO: Colin Kaepernick, 49ers — Bridge is tall and lean with a rocket launcher on his right shoulder like the 49ers quarterback and has more than enough velocity on his passes to toss ropes to all levels of the field.

    –Dane Brugler (12/4/14)
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1776297/brandon-bridge

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    #20713
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    We might get him in the 7th round. Good job.

    Agamemnon

    #20745
    Herzog
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    Arite, I’m getting nervous… It’s time Snisher started doing something about this Oline. AG….. Make the cal

    #20748
    rfl
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    Poi-sonally, i aint worried about the Oline.
    They know everything depends on it — they’ll
    fill the holes.
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    My friend, I am amazed when I read you saying this.

    Yes. Everything depends on it.

    And has done for years. And the franchise has thrown draft picks and FA $ in huge chunks at the problem. The net results have not been good.

    I see no track record to justify optimism even if they take steps.

    And it’s ALWAYS a challenge to build up the OL.

    How any Ram fan could be serenely confident about the OL in the aftermath of the last decade just bewilders me.

    Well, I hope you’re right.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #20762
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    Time for Rams to Finally Repair Offensive Line

    By Randy Karraker

    http://www.101sports.com/2015/03/16/time-for-rams-to-finally-repair-offensive-line/

    At the end of the 2014 NFL season, the Rams had one of the best front sevens in football, and an offensive line that clearly was deficient and needed reinforcement, if not rebuilding.

    Nearly a week into free agency, the Rams have added linebacker Akeem Ayers and defensive tackle Nick Fairly to their front seven, flipped quarterback Sam Bradford to Philadelphia for Nick Foles, and re-signed wide receiver Kenny Britt and tight end Lance Kendricks. Notable by its absence in the transaction listings for the Rams is any mention of additions to the offensive line. In fairness, the Rams may have made additions by the subtraction of injury-plagued tackle Jake Long and disappointing center Scott Wells.

    The failure of those two to provide meaningful quality play extends the Rams’ streak of ineptitude in adding offensive linemen to fifteen years, through the tenures of general managers Jay Zygmunt, Billy Devaney and Les Snead, and coaches Mike Martz, Scott Linehan, Steve Spagnuolo and Jeff Fisher. To find the last acquisition through draft or free agency of offensive tackles that played at an above average level for the Rams for any period of time, you have to go back to the 1997 draft, when they selected Orlando Pace with the first pick in the draft and Ryan Tucker in the 4th round.

    In 1999, the Rams signed Adam Timmerman and Andy McCollum as unrestricted free agents, and Tom Nutten as a street free agent. All of those moves under President of Football Operations Dick Vermeil served the Rams well for years, with that group staying with the Rams until the mid-2000’s.

    Since 1999, the Rams have spent draft choices on John St. Clair, Kaulana Noa, Andrew Kline, Travis Scott, Scott Tercero, Larry Turner, Alex Barron, Richie Incognito, Claude Terrell, Mark Setterstrom, Tony Palmer, Dustin Fry, Ken Shackelford, John Greco, Roy Scheuning, Jason Smith, Rodger Saffold, Rok Watkins, Barrett Jones, Greg Robinson, Mitchell Van Dyk and Demetrious Rhaney. That’s fifteen drafts, 22 drafted offensive linemen, six players that were at one point regarded as starters, and no Pro Bowls. The six “starters” would be St. Clair, Barron, Incognito, Smith, Saffold and Robinson.

    The Rams traded a second round pick to New Orleans in 2003 for Kyle Turley, who was average for half a season before injuries began affecting him, and after sixteen games and sixteen starts, he never played for the Rams again. They wound up trading Jason Smith…the second pick in the 2009 draft…during Fisher’s first training camp in 2012 for Wayne Hunter, who started four games for the Rams, and dealt a seventh rounder (that wound up being quarterback Matt Flynn) for Adam Goldberg. Goldberg started 48 games for the Rams in six seasons, but was never considered above average.

    Free agency has yielded lots of wasted dollars. In 2013 Jake Long signed a four year, $34 million deal and got $11 million of that for playing 22 of 32 games, with the other ten eliminated by ACL injuries. Center Scott Wells was never really healthy for the Rams after being a Pro Bowl performer in Green Bay, and signing a four year, $24 million deal with St. Louis. Center Jason Brown, guard Jacob Bell and guard Harvey Dahl were paid millions of dollars, but their play never matched their paycheck.

    In fairness, the current Rams regime did claim Joe Barksdale off waivers in 2012, and he has provided durable, consistent play for the last two seasons. He’s a free agent now, and the franchise would do well to bring him back.

    The last time the Rams had consistently representative offensive line play was a decade ago, in 2005. They’ve had some flashes of good play since, but nothing consistent.

    An incredible stretch run in 2006 helped Steven Jackson rush for 419 yards in his last three games and 1,528 overall.

    The 2013 edition helped Zac Stacy and company rush for 1,752 yards and allowed just 36 sacks. But there hasn’t been a reliable, solid Rams offensive line since Pace, Timmerman, McCollum, Nutten and Barron started that ’05 campaign.

    It’s been long enough. We haven’t yet had a week of free agency, but it’s time for Fisher and Snead to sign and draft a group that’s capable of imposing their will in the running game and reasonably protecting Foles. If the Rams hope to compete for a playoff spot, regardless of the style Fisher and new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti want to employ, it all starts up front.

    They can make all the moves they want, but until they repair the offensive line, that streak of non-winning seasons will extend beyond eleven seasons.

    #20799
    rfl
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    Pretty quiet, apparently, on the FA OL front.

    Not sure time is on the side of the Rams on this.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #20804
    Winnbrad
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    Yeah, I’m impatient about the o-line. I’m trying not to be, but I’m failing…

    #20913
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    from off the net

    Merlin12

    What’s Wrong with Brian De La Puente

    I am surprised nobody has signed this guy- he only made $800,000 last year and was the 5th highest rated center from 2011-2013. Last year he was rated 7th in the league for centers, even after being hurt and missing games. He is 29 yrs old and I think would make good addition, as he can play Guard also. He has been with so many teams until he was the Saints starting center 2011-2013. PFF had him rated +6.1 in 2011, +23 in 2012, +6.1 in 2013 and was over +7 until his injury last year. If we are short on money, he would make a good 1-2 year starter or back-up. Is there something wrong with the guy?

    #20937
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I believe he was playing between to allpro guards for NO. The Jacob Bell theory. You can carry one dead weight on the interior of your oline. imo

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    Agamemnon

    #20942
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    At this point I’d be happy with Barksdale re-signing and then the Rams can go BPA in the first round of the draft and focus on the interior line in rounds 2 through 4. If they can’t get Barksdale back then it looks like they may have painted themselves into a corner and they’ll have to find a RT in round one. They’ll still have to use early picks on the interior line after that of course.

    #21023
    rfl
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    Yeah, I’m impatient about the o-line. I’m trying not to be, but I’m failing…

    Indeed.

    I guess they’re playing a game of chicken with the FA market for OL. They read the market as breaking toward them in time, apparently.

    Hope they’re right.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    #21034
    Winnbrad
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    Indeed.

    I guess they’re playing a game of chicken with the FA market for OL. They read the market as breaking toward them in time, apparently.

    Hope they’re right.

    Yeah. I’m in your camp with this one, RFL. I felt like we’d be doing more in FA with o-lineman, especially after the Long and Wells cuts, and then the Bradford trade. I “assumed” those three moves were gonna lead to some spending on the o-line.

    Well, maybe the Rams are right. Maybe the market will break in their favor and they’ll sign some good, but not expensive O-lineman.

    Right now, our o-line won’t get this team above .500. Even if Foles is healthy for 16 games and plays well, this team won’t make the playoffs. We don’t have enough playmakers. But with a good O-line, yeah, we’ve got a shot at the playoffs.

    If our defense “starts slow”, again, and the o-line is below average, we’re in for another wasted season, imo.

    #21043
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    Right now, our o-line won’t get this team above .500.

    All eyes are on the OL.

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    #21095
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    from off the net

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    Rampage2K-

    clayton on Wisniewski

    Said he was looking for $5 mil per year and no one is offering him that…. Rams should offer him a 5 yr $20 mil and hope he takes it….

    #21099
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Rams should move on. Go with somebody on the roster or draft a center. He is not a difference maker. He is not that much better than what we have. I would rather save the cap space. I see no real value there.

    Agamemnon

    #21103
    Herzog
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    Who do they have that’s as good?

    #21106
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    <span class=”d4pbbc-font-color” style=”color: blue”>Rams should move on. Go with somebody on the roster or draft a center. He is not a difference maker. He is not that much better than what we have. I would rather save the cap space. I see no real value there.</span>

    Sign him or dont sign him,
    but DRAFT, two or three
    young, healthy, giant, strong, stout HOGs.

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    v

    #21107
    Dak
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    Rams should move on. Go with somebody on the roster or draft a center. He is not a difference maker. He is not that much better than what we have. I would rather save the cap space. I see no real value there.

    You do have to wonder why Oakland let him walk and spent a lot of money on a different center.

    #21110
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    John Mara: The free agents available this year were “mediocre”
    Posted by Michael David Smith on March 20, 2015, 6:17 AM EDT
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    The Giants have not made a big splash in free agency, focusing more on shoring up roster depth than attracting star players. Giants owner John Mara says the reason for that is simple: This year’s free agent class isn’t very good.

    “There were obviously some star players out there, but for the most part I thought it was a mediocre free-agent class,” Mara told the New York Post.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/

    Agamemnon

    #21112
    Winnbrad
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    You do have to wonder why Oakland let him walk and spent a lot of money on a different center.

    From what I read, Oakland felt he didn’t develop into the elite center they wanted. Hudson was available, and Oak has tons of cap space, so they went with Hudson. The rumor is Oak wanted Wiz to stay on the team as a backup Center/starting Guard. Wiz said, “no”, and decided to test FA.

    $5 million is too much for Wiz. Maybe his market will stay ice cold, and the Rams get a bargain.

    Wiz is far better than Scott Wells. Then again, anyone that can stay healthy is better than Wells.

    #21139
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    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1

    Don’t expect anything to happen on Joe Barksdale front until the Rams RT is back from his honeymoon. Titans are showing some interest.

    #21354
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    Source: Eagles could release Evan Mathis if they can’t trade him

    By Geoff Mosher

    http://www.csnphilly.com/football-p…ld-release-evan-mathis-if-they-cant-trade-him

    PHOENIX – If the Eagles can’t find a trade partner for left guard Evan Mathis, they could be just as willing to show him the door as they were two years ago for DeSean Jackson.

    Mathis, who was on the trade block last offseason and is back there again, might be cast off into the free-agent waters if the Eagles can’t deal him, according to a source close to the situation.

    Right now, the source said, the team is “actively looking” to deal the 33-year-old lineman. Head coaches and executives from all 32 NFL teams are at the luxurious Arizona Biltmore resort this week for the annual owners meetings. It’s an informal environment outside of the meetings but business can be consummated.

    If traded or released, Mathis would follow in the footsteps of LeSean McCoy, Nick Foles, Jeremy Maclin, Cary Williams, Todd Herremans and Trent Cole as high-profile cap casualties sent packing this offseason as head coach Chip Kelly overhauls the roster in his first season with total personnel control.

    If he’s released, Mathis hopes the Eagles pull the trigger soon, the source said, while other teams still have money left to spend on this year’s free agent crop.

    The source said the decision to shop Mathis is completely Kelly’s and added that the Eagles are either looking to save money or continue to rebuild the roster around a younger nucleus — or both.

    They could also be irked by Mathis’ repeated attempts to have his contract reworked. Mathis carries cap hits of $6.5 million in 2015 and $7 million in 2016 as part of the five-year, $26.7 million extension he signed March 19, 2013, after choosing to rejoin the Eagles instead of bolting for the Ravens’ offer.

    Only $2 million of Mathis’ remaining contract is guaranteed from his signing bonus — $1 million apiece this season and next — so the Eagles would save $11.5 million over the next two seasons if they cut him and absorb only a $2 million dead-money hit.

    Mathis’ camp has approached the Eagles twice in the past two offseasons to discuss a restructure that would pad Mathis’ salary. Both times, the source said, the Eagles rebuffed his request and responded by informing him that he would be shopped.

    Teams are typically reluctant to give up draft compensation for a player they believe will be released but trades for veterans occasionally take place during the offseason.

    The Saints, who are also reshaping their roster and trying to improve their defense, recently dealt 33-year old guard Ben Grubbs, a two-time Pro Bowler, to the Chiefs for a fifth-round pick. Kansas City took on $13.9 million in base salary over the next two years, none of it guaranteed. Mathis is two years older and any team that trades for him owes him $13.5 million over the next two years, also not guaranteeed.

    The source also didn’t slam the door on Mathis returning to the Eagles, but Kelly hasn’t shown much reluctance to get rid of veterans, even if it means eating dead money.

    The Eagles have taken about $12 million in cap hits this season on Cole, Herremans, Williams, McCoy and Foles, although they’ve saved more than $60 million in future money.

    Mathis made his second straight Pro Bowl last season despite playing just nine games. He severely sprained his knee in the season opener and was placed on the injured reserve list with return designation.

    #21510
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    http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/6599/stefen-wisniewski

    Free agent C Stefen Wisniewski is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery after playing with a torn labrum last year.

    This would explain why Wisniewski remains on the open market after visiting the Bucs, Seahawks, and Bears, while also drawing interested from the Chiefs and Rams. He’s reportedly seeking $4 million a year, but teams need to feel comfortable with Wisniewski medically before doling out that kind of cash.

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    Stefen Wisniewski And The Bucs

    March 25th, 2015

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/03/stefen-wisniewski-and-the-bucs/

    Not long after the free agency dinner bell rang, Raiders center/guard Stefen Wisniewski visited the Bucs to talk turkey and maybe a contract. Wisniewski left without a contract and headed to Seattle, which needs a center.

    Wisniewski not only didn’t sign with the Bucs, he didn’t sign with the Seahawks and later after visiting the Bears, didn’t sign with them either.

    Yesterday, when Joe appeared with his good friend, “The Big Dog,” Steve Duemig, on the weekly JoeBucsFan.com Hour heard exclusively on WDAE-AM 620, Joe speculated that either Wisniewski was asking for way too much cash, or there was something going on behind the scenes.

    Turns out, it may be both. Per Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, Wisniewski had shoulder surgery.

    Wisniewski is recovering from shoulder surgery after last season when he played with a torn labrum. The former second-round pick of the Raiders has made visits to the Seahawks and Bucs, and the Rams and Chiefs are also known to be interested. No team has been willing to meet his request of $4 million per season and it could be he winds up on a one- or two-year prove-it contract. At this point, it would be a mistake to rule out the Bears.

    Well now, that explains it all. First, his agent is trying to shake down teams for $4 million a year (Ha!) and the dude has a bum shoulder. No team is going to shell out that kind of cash unless they know for sure his shoulder is OK.

    No wonder the Raiders passed on Wisniewski and signed free agent center Rodney Hudson.

    #21512
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    i think the rams end up re-signing barksdale. then they could spend a first or second rounder and a stud offensive lineman. i think that fifth spot can be filled with a low level free agent or from within. now they should still add depth. but as far as the starting five i think it should be relatively easy to do. robinson and saffold will be studs i think.

    #21515
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    Wisniewski is recovering from shoulder surgery after last season when he played with a torn labrum. No team has been willing to meet his request of $4 million per season

    This explains a lot.

    #21522
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    According to my Kung Fu, the Rams can write a contract that contains an approximate salary cap hit of 4 million this year without making any other moves and still have comfortable cushion to take care of all roster expenses for 2015. They can do this without cutting any players or doing any restructuring. I assume that JT is right about the current 11 million dollar cap space.

    The fact that they paid Quinn his roster bonus indicates that they aren’t going to spend a lot more money in free agency. imo

    They are talking to Barnes and they will talk with Barksdale. If they sign them, I don’t see them talking with any other free agents until after the draft and then that will probably be for close to minimum wage. imo

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