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May 27, 2015 at 12:50 am #25324znModerator
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Nick Foles/Sean Mannion comparisons?
STRENGTHS
Mannion is a four-year starter who owns 18 passing records at Oregon State. Tall quarterback who sees over the offensive line. Throws with high release point. Plays with desired footwork. Can sit down and shift weight properly to drive the intermediate throws. Played in pro-style offense and is comfortable with 3-, 5- and 7-step drops from under center. When protected, shows confidence to stand and deliver with accuracy to all areas of the field. Trusted by head coach Mike Riley to make pre-snap reads and audible. Played in multiple-read offense and shows patience in allowing routes to develop. Good feel for pro-style play-action passing attack and can throw with above-average accuracy and ball placement.
WEAKNESSES
Tempo of his play is a concern. Slow in takeaway from center and set-up and slow getting through progressions. Carries ball low in the pocket, allowing defenders to swipe at it. Finished career with 30 fumbles and 54 interceptions. Poise and mobility in pocket are below average. Not considered a play-extender outside of pocket. Drops eyes and misses throwing windows when he senses pressure around him. Decision making greatly influenced by level of pressure around him. Fails to throw with adequate zip when feet aren’t under him and he doesn’t step strongly into throw. Takes too long to get rid of throws on out routes.
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STRENGTHS
Foles has a strong arm that gets him through various other hitches in his game. There are times when Foles throws the deep, cross-field out-route while on his back foot (and facing pressure) accurately and with ease. While not the most athletic quarterback, he is aware in the pocket to avoid pressure and has a good sense of how and when to extend a play to his advantage. As a deep passer he has strength but can struggle with accuracy at times. His accuracy is evident in his short to intermediate throws, where he can put it right on a receiver or lead him fluidly in stride. He would be more valuable in a West Coast scheme where could make quick decisions and not be forced to unleash deep throws on a consistent basis. He is an excellent game manager for moving the ball in bunches up the field. He is extremely poised in the pocket and rarely lets a heavy pass rush rattle his throws.WEAKNESSES
Mobility has been the Achilles heel for Foles and will likely continue to be exposed even more at the next level. He is solely a pocket passer and hardly ever moves the chains with his feet. He has the ability to extend, but he is not going to out-run any defenders at the next level. This can sometimes effect his set-up, as it can be uncoordinated at times, although rarely affects his actual pass. There are times when the ball can get away from him when throwing deep, and he has struggled with accuracy there. His release is sufficient but not fast by any means. His judgment with the ball is somewhat questioned, as he can be slow to get rid of the ball and scramble into trouble.May 27, 2015 at 2:09 pm #25380joemadParticipantFinished career with 30 fumbles and 54 interceptions.
that’s a lot of friggin turnovers……..9 of the 30 fumbles were recovered by the defense, he might need Tom Brady’s ball boys…..
More stuff: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1737484/sean-mannion
Strengths Weaknesses
STRENGTHS: Tall with an adequate build…keeps his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage with a natural over-the-top delivery…adequate arm strength when stepping into his throws, controlling his ball speed well…improved footwork and base to create the framework to get the most out of his arm…sees the field well to scan and make precise reads in his drops…accurate deep ball thrower with terrific touch on bucket tosses.Not afraid to test small windows and gives his man a chance to attack the ball…tough and bounces back after hits…shy personality, but in full control of the offense…calm and always appears under control, getting his teammates lined up correctly and making checks at the line…develops strong chemistry and feel with his targets, which stems from his practice habits…son of a high school head coach and carries himself like a professional, leading by example with natural leadership intangibles.
Strong football resume as a four year starter and first three-year captain in school history (43 career starts), owning 18 Oregon State passing records, including career touchdown throws (83)…holds the Pac-12 career record for passing yards (13,600).
WEAKNESSES: Struggles to consistently drive the ball if he doesn’t step into his throws or have a firm base, struggling to add juice or adjust his trajectory…improved footwork and pocket maneuverability but neither are a strength as he struggles to re-set his eyes once moved from his spot…experienced with his three, five and seven step drops, but sluggish with his depth.
Struggles to recognize the blitz and doesn’t do enough after the snap to evade pressure, failing to speed up his process…hesitant when the pocket shows cracks and looks like a deer in headlights…holds the ball too long with a suspect internal clock that can be read with a sun dial…tends to telegraph his throws, staring down his targets…pre-determines passes and makes puzzling decisions that end with too many defenders at the other end of his passes…doesn’t have the mobility to improvise or keep plays alive, needing to slow himself and set his feet before pushing the ball.
Load-up delivery isn’t a glaring issue, but he lacks an efficient release with small hands…lean with room to add muscle mass on his frame…loses confidence too easily, causing poor ball placement and keeping him from processing what he sees quick enough when things go downhill…not the same quarterback without Brandin Cooks as his safety valve…career 46.4% passer on 3rd down attempts with a 21-16 TD-INT ratio.
In Our View: Mannion has an attractive resume as a four-year starter with impressive production in a pro-style offense. He has adequate arm strength and accuracy, but isn’t above average in either category as the ball doesn’t shoot off his hand. Mannion is too methodical with his movements and tends to deteriorate when the pocket crumbles, struggling with his pocket awareness, internal clock and improvising skills, which is a recipe for disaster in the NFL.
He is a high character human being with exceptional make-up and intangibles – teams will never have to worry about him off the field or not putting in enough work. Mannion has shown promise over his career, but tends to be too careless with his decisions and lacks the consistency against pressures to be a consistent NFL starter. If he can learn how to speed up his process for the NFL level, Mannion can carve out a Shaun Hill type of career, but if he doesn’t, his career will likely follow a Tony Pike-like path.
–Dane Brugler
Player Overview
A four-star quarterback recruit out of high school, Mannion committed to Oregon State as a junior in high school because of the Beavers’ coaching staff and the offense was similar to what he ran in high school.After redshirting in 2010, Mannion beat out incumbent starter Ryan Katz (who later transferred) as a redshirt freshman, passing for 3,328 yards, which was third best in school history at the time. He showed improvement in 2012 as a sophomore, but missed a few games due to a knee injury and Cody Vaz did a nice job in relief and didn’t concede the job when Mannion returned healthy. However, Mannion beat out Vaz and was named the starter for the 2013 season opener and had a record-breaking year, passing for a Pac-12 record 4,662 yards with a 37-15 TD-INT ratio, earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors.
With Brandin Cooks leaving early for the NFL Draft, Mannion’s production dipped as a senior in 2014, including a career-low 263.7 yards per start, 62.3% completions and only 15 passing scores. He won the 2014 Manning Passing Academy Air-It-Out Challenge in July 2014 and served as a counselor at the Nike Elite 11 quarterback Camp, winning the counselor’s challenge. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.
May 27, 2015 at 3:39 pm #25383AgamemnonParticipantMay 27, 2015 at 7:09 pm #25392ZooeyModeratorI think Foles is good enough to get us to the Playoffs. I think Mannion will be better. I am still drafting Cook next year.
You think he will still be available at #32?
May 27, 2015 at 7:55 pm #25397SunTzu_vs_CamusParticipantI agree with that, Ag!!
ConnorCook, Cardale Jones or Hackenburg are my favs for 2016.
Mannion will be a solid back-up for the next 4 yrs. But ya never know who surprises…could be Foles..or Mannion…or ADavis last year as Davis played out of his mind for a few games!! Davis really stunned me by playing so within himself and the offense with no silly desperation plays. But then he came back down to earth and appeared to be the guy the Rams cut the year before. However, even ADavis could surprise…so I’m open to any of them becoming our starter for good. I just kinda don’t think it’s gonna happen. 😉
"I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."May 27, 2015 at 8:41 pm #25405AgamemnonParticipantI think Foles is good enough to get us to the Playoffs. I think Mannion will be better. I am still drafting Cook next year.
You think he will still be available at #32?
Like SunTzu_vs_Camus said. Cook might not be there, but there are others that will. There might be as many as 5 QBs in the 1st round next year. imo
May 27, 2015 at 8:56 pm #25407SunTzu_vs_CamusParticipantI think Foles is good enough to get us to the Playoffs. I think Mannion will be better. I am still drafting Cook next year.
You think he will still be available at #32?
There might be as many as 5 QBs in the 1st round next year.
agreed. I’m hoping for a 1983 draft type year for QBs with a big influx of real good pro talent to the NFL.
They’ll have the warts but will be very obvious NFL talents. imo
I even think Fisher will make a play for one using future high picks if he can get close to one…or one has a really bad year and drops to 10-15th slot."I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."May 27, 2015 at 9:12 pm #25411AgamemnonParticipantI think Foles is good enough to get us to the Playoffs. I think Mannion will be better. I am still drafting Cook next year.
You think he will still be available at #32?
There might be as many as 5 QBs in the 1st round next year.
agreed. I’m hoping for a 1983 draft type year for QBs with a big influx of real good pro talent to the NFL.
They’ll have the warts but will be very obvious NFL talents. imo
I even think Fisher will make a play for one using future high picks if he can get close to one…or one has a really bad year and drops to 10-15th slot.OK. If we can’t draft Elway, we will draft Marino. 😉
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