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  • September 3, 2016 at 6:59 pm #52179
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    zn wrote:

    In addition, the team has placed OL Garrett Reynolds (North Carolina) and OL Darrell Williams (South Florida) on injured reserve.

    This deepens the OL because now teams can bring one player back from IR during the season. That would probably be Reynolds. Williams, IMO, they are red-shirting.

    September 3, 2016 at 7:02 pm #52181
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    Sheesh.

    Mike Quick must have photos of Jeff Fisher cheating on his wife or dismembering a body or something. Photos that will automatically be forwarded to the authorities should any harm befall him.

    How else does he continue to make this roster when potentially good players get cut? Roberson, Kush, Fox, Bryant…

    September 3, 2016 at 7:04 pm #52182
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    Still a very young team. Three rookie linebackers. I really don’t see how the defense doesn’t take a step back this year. Yes–they’ll be good. But there are a lot of new people on that side of the ball. If the offense improves that will help. And the offense HAS to improve. It HAS to. The bar was very low.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    September 3, 2016 at 7:07 pm #52183
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    nittany ram wrote:

    Sheesh.

    Mike Quick must have photos of Jeff Fisher cheating on his wife or dismembering a body or something. Photos that will automatically be forwarded to the authorities should any harm befall him.

    How else does he continue to make this roster when potentially good players get cut? Roberson, Kush, Fox, Bryant…

    Kush really surprised me. I thought for sure he’d make the team. He seemed like he’d be a solid back-up at center. But he may not have had the versatility they wanted for a back-up. I was surprised Roberson and Bryant were gone. But I do like Troy Hill. They may have found a gem there.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    September 3, 2016 at 7:11 pm #52185
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    PA Ram wrote:

    Kush really surprised me. I thought for sure he’d make the team. He seemed like he’d be a solid back-up at center.

    He made too many mistakes. You saw it in games and you heard about it in camp reports. Errant snaps of various kinds and types.

    September 3, 2016 at 7:17 pm #52188
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    zn wrote:
    PA Ram wrote:

    Kush really surprised me. I thought for sure he’d make the team. He seemed like he’d be a solid back-up at center.

    He made too many mistakes. You saw it in games and you heard about it in camp reports. Errant snaps of various kinds and types.

    Yeah, but Boudreau liked him at guard too. Anyhow, like I said in another thread I think this was just a case where there was no room for him. The O-line sorta got set last year from a personnel standpoint and someone was really going to have to impress to take a spot.

    September 3, 2016 at 7:22 pm #52189
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    wv wrote:

    So can someone list the Rookies and UDFA’s who MADE the team?
    Who are the new guys?

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    Look at my roster. The drafted rookies are Blue, the undrafted rookies are Purple.

    Agamemnon

    September 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm #52190
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    Look at my roster. The drafted rookies are Blue, the undrafted rookies are Purple.

    Thanks for making up the roster, Ag. Much appreciated.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    September 3, 2016 at 7:38 pm #52191
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    Agamemnon wrote:
    wv wrote:

    So can someone list the Rookies and UDFA’s who MADE the team?
    Who are the new guys?

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    Look at my roster. The drafted rookies are Blue, the undrafted rookies are Purple.

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    So Spruce was the only UDFA who made it ?

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    September 3, 2016 at 8:08 pm #52194
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    wv wrote:

    So Spruce was the only UDFA who made it ?

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    No. Pure UDFAs: Spruce, + Murphy (OL), Grigsby (LB), Littleton (LB), and Hill (CB) … though I forget when Hill was added (he may not be a 2016 UDFA). Plus Arkin (OL), added last year, who while not a rookie is kind of a young “ronin” type that Boudreau likes.

    September 3, 2016 at 8:11 pm #52197
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    I’m glad that Hemingway made the cut. he is listed as a TE but he is kind of a WR hybrid.

    Concerned a bit about offensive line depth. Saffold and Rhaney can play a couple of spots with Havenstein coming off the bench, but I hope we don’t need to rely on Arkin and Murphy for more than a few snaps per game.

    The Rams website still lists Ayers at LB, and even as a starter. Depth at LB concerns me, maybe just because I don’t recognize the names.

    Carrying only three safeties, not sure if that’s typical or not.

    September 3, 2016 at 8:22 pm #52200
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    zn wrote:
    wv wrote:

    So Spruce was the only UDFA who made it ?

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    No. Pure UDFAs: Spruce, + Murphy (OL), Grigsby (LB), Littleton (LB), and Hill (CB) … though I forget when Hill was added (he may not be a 2016 UDFA). Plus Arkin (OL), added last year, who while not a rookie is kind of a young “ronin” type that Boudreau likes.

    Hill was an undrafted rookie last year. He was on NE’s practice squad for awhile. Hence, the Orange code for his name.

    Agamemnon

    September 3, 2016 at 8:24 pm #52201
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    Hill was an undrafted rookie last year. He was on NE’s practice squad for awhile.

    Thanks ag. I knew it was something. So he’s not a Rams 2016 UDFA…he’s a 2015 “ronin” CB.

    I like Hill. I did all August, watching the PS games.

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    September 4, 2016 at 8:29 am #52214
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    I thought something was up when Ayers was playing the entire first half of the final preseason game.

    September 4, 2016 at 10:46 am #52219
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    spruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce!

    i think this guy’s got a legit chance at starting next year.

    September 4, 2016 at 11:39 am #52223
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    The Ayers cut is the most stunning to me. I thought he was competent last season. And it’s not like we have anybody behind him we are familiar with. It’s like the Rams are going to play nickel all season. And with only 3 safeties.

    I fear we are going to be shedding tears all year over the loss of Jenkins and McLeod.

    I would think that one of those WRs has to go, and another player gets added to the secondary. Quick goes, Bryant or Roberson returns. Dunno.

    September 4, 2016 at 11:45 am #52225
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    Zooey wrote:

    The Ayers cut is the most stunning to me. I thought he was competent last season. And it’s not like we have anybody behind him we are familiar with. It’s like the Rams are going to play nickel all season. And with only 3 safeties.

    I fear we are going to be shedding tears all year over the loss of Jenkins and McLeod.

    I would think that one of those WRs has to go, and another player gets added to the secondary. Quick goes, Bryant or Roberson returns. Dunno.

    Ayers was having an awful camp. Ogletree was actually yelling at him for not knowing where to line up. The writing was on the wall when he played deep into the 4th PS game…that looked like they were giving him a final chance to show he had gotten his act together.

    Plus, the “rewatch tape” types out there … (who sometimes call replaying the tivo of the game “tape”) … who study down in and down out play and post about it were saying good things about Forrest. It’s okay (IMO) to start a 6th round rookie SOLB because basically that player will play less than the nickel back.

    September 4, 2016 at 12:29 pm #52226
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    forrest beating out ayers i take as a good thing.

    i think it says more about forrest than it does about ayers.

    at least that’s what i keep telling myself.

    and i agree especially on mcleod. rams are gonna miss him.

    September 4, 2016 at 12:43 pm #52227
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    on the other hand i am optimistic that the front seven could be better than last year.

    September 4, 2016 at 1:44 pm #52237
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    Look at my roster. The drafted rookies are Blue, the undrafted rookies are Purple.

    My head works better with lists than charts. Anyway no harm in supplementing your work with a slightly different visual approach.

    What I get from your work,…. ===>

    First is all (1) low draft picks, (2) trades, (3) cheaper FAs, (4) “ronin” or young players who got cut, and (5) UDFAS (plus inherited UDFAS, just to show how many UDFAs there are on the team. That’s just to show how many different avenues to roster-building they used and used well.

    12 LOW DRAFT PICKS
    Pharoh Cooper
    Mike Thomas
    Tyler Higbee
    Tammarick Hemingway
    Cody Wichmann
    Andrew Donnal
    Demetrius Rhaney
    Bryce Hager
    Josh Forrest
    EJ Gaines
    Maurice Alexander
    Greg Zuerlein

    2 TRADES
    Case Keenum
    Mark Barron

    3 BUDGET FAs
    Kenny Britt
    William Hayes (originally, when they first signed him)
    Dominique Easley

    2″RONIN”
    David Arkin
    Troy Hill

    13 UDFAs
    Nelson Spruce
    Bradley Marquez
    Benny Cunningham
    Malcolm Brown
    Cory Harkey
    Pace Murphy
    Ethan Westbrooks
    Matt Longacre
    Nic Grigsby
    Cory Littleton
    Cody Davis
    Jake McQuaide
    Johnny Hekker

    2 INHERITED UDFAS
    Chase Reynolds
    Tim Barnes

    Total: 34 non-high draft picks & non-expensive FAs.

    + … NEXT SET OF CATEGORIES: inherited low picks, inherited high picks, & high picks from 2012 on

    1 INHERITED LOW PICKS
    Eugene Sims

    3 INHERITED HIGH PICKS
    Lance Kendricks
    Rodger Saffold
    Robert Quinn

    14 ROUNDS 1-3, 2012-16
    Jared Goff
    Sean Mannion
    Tavon Austin
    Brian Quick
    Todd Gurley
    Greg Robinson
    Lamarcus Joyner
    Rob Havenstein
    Jamon Brown
    Aaron Donald
    Michael Brockers
    Alec Ogletree
    Trumaine Johnson
    T.J. McDonald

    1 + Only expensive FA (5 M & above)
    Coty Sensabaugh

    September 5, 2016 at 1:17 am #52272
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    zn wrote:

    7 LOW DRAFT PICKS
    Cody Wichmann
    Andrew Donnal
    Demetrius Rhaney
    Bryce Hager
    EJ Gaines
    Maurice Alexander
    Greg Zuerlein

    14 ROUNDS 1-3, 2012-16

    Sean Mannion
    Tavon Austin
    Brian Quick
    Todd Gurley
    Greg Robinson
    Lamarcus Joyner
    Rob Havenstein
    Jamon Brown
    Aaron Donald
    Michael Brockers
    Alec Ogletree
    Trumaine Johnson
    T.J. McDonald

    Another thing to think about.

    What I have in the quote box above is a list of the 20 players drafted from 2012-15. I am not counting 2016 because it’s too soon to tell about that draft.

    They had 37 picks from 2012-15, and as of right now, 20 are on the roster, so at least for the time being count as hits.

    20 of 37 is 54%.

    54% is just outstanding.

    I am going to however subtract Quick cause it’s possible he’s a goner.

    That would be 19 of 37, which is 51.3%, and that’s still outstanding.

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