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June 29, 2020 at 12:38 pm #117326znModerator
a re-purposed thread
July 27, 2020 at 12:42 pm #118501wvParticipantCorporate media and Bernie
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August 24, 2020 at 3:53 pm #119905ZooeyModeratorI don’t know where to put this, so…here:
August 24, 2020 at 8:41 pm #119919Billy_TParticipantI don’t know where to put this, so…here:
Krystal Ball: Rahm Emanuel REVEALS Dems Class War Against Its Own Voters”
IMO, the critique is great. In a different world, I’d say she’s too easy on the Dems. But in the current context of the really real?
It just helps the GOP.
Yes, the Dems turned their backs on the working class nearly 50 years ago. Yes, they suck. And in a better world, we leftists would have a real shot at making our case against the Dems and, by extension, the Republicans, in one fell swoop. Toe to toe. In the full light of day.
But this is a rotten world, politically, and we have a rotten system — root, branch and tree. And our rotten system isn’t set up to promote a sane and righteous battle between leftists and Dems, at least not yet. Quite the opposite. It’s set up to narrow and slice and dice that battle up so it’s always between the Dems and the Republicans. Just them. We’re afterthoughts, at best. So, when leftists focus their guns solely on the Dems, and rarely attack the GOP, few audiences will take it as a given that we leftists are even more pissed off at the Republicans.
IMO, we shouldn’t assume they assume that’s already baked in. We should assume, instead, that if all they hear and read from us is contempt for the Dems, that’s going to sync up with what they hear and read from Republicans and the right. From Fox News, Breitbart, et al. A “logical” inference from those concerted attacks is that people should never vote Dem, which leaves the GOP in power by default.
Again, in a better world, we wouldn’t have to worry about such things. We’d be able to make our case as leftists, for a better society and planet. We wouldn’t have to ask, “Hey, wait. Will this help the greater evil?” We’d know we had a real shot at defeating both parties, etc.
That’s just not the world we live in right now. Leftists should not be in the business of helping Trump win reelection.
August 24, 2020 at 10:10 pm #119965ZooeyModeratorThis stands a chance of becoming the longest thread ever.
August 24, 2020 at 10:33 pm #119966Billy_TParticipantThis stands a chance of becoming the longest thread ever.
I think you may be right. So much to criticize, so little time!
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ZN,
Thanks for repurposing this. Likely saves tons and tons of energy and refuse in the bargain. And we Americans are incredibly wasteful.
Sidenote: Am currently reading Hope Jahren’s excellent The Story of More. About climate change, waste, pollution, cruelty to animals, endless greed, etc. etc. It makes you want to dance and sing!!
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Also, to repeat:
I am in no way saying that leftists qua leftists should refrain from blasting away at all deserving rhetorical targets, including the Dems. I may be on an island about this, but I just see it as counterproductive when leftists with audiences do so in the current context, and 70 some days before the election.
And, as is my wont, more in the next post. But, I promise to be short. I really do!
August 24, 2020 at 10:49 pm #119968Billy_TParticipantIt’s weird, but I feel really weird to be “defending” the Dems in a sense. I don’t wanna. I get all Sartre when I do. It makes me sick, and it’s like, um, well, there’s no exit.
But, I digress (and name-drop).
I desperately want to live to see the day when leftists can rise above both parties, crush them rhetorically and on the political battlefields, perhaps even Staples Center, and never look back. But until that day, it strikes me as smarter to build up a critical mass inside the Democratic Party, with hundreds of AOCs, until we can move on and run under our own banner.
My own would be something in the realm of libertarian communism, libertarian socialism, anarchist-socialism, democratic socialism . . . or socialism for short. Morris, Kropotkin, Le Guin, the Dalai Lama, etc.
Three or four or five main pillars:
1. Bottom to top democratization of the economy, from the proverbial shop-room floor on up. Which means, obviously, no more capitalism.
2. We the people own the means of production, directly, by writ and right, under a new constitution, and no proxies.
3. We work to end class society, in all its forms, including no more ruling class. We create the least hierarchical society possible, doable, achievable. Straight out of Avatar.
4. We make political democracy a reality, because it’s not possible without economic democracy, and “we got that” now.
5. We ban all shaky cameras, outlaw them, and send them to the same dustbin of history as microfiche.
Oh, and as Emma Goldman said, there’s gotta be dancing. No revolution without that. And chocolate. Lots of chocolate. Also, fine, aged Irish Whiskey. And, of course, the Rams, with redesigned helmets and uniforms. They gotta fix them horns!
August 25, 2020 at 6:26 am #119972znModeratorCentrists during primary: “We cannot vote for Bernie because the Republicans will call him a socialist.”
Every Republican Tonight: “@JoeBiden is a socialist.”#RNCConvention2020
— Ryan Knight 🌹 (@ProudSocialist) August 25, 2020
August 26, 2020 at 8:56 pm #120053wvParticipantNina Turner, doing her thing, effectively.
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