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April 28, 2015 at 3:24 pm #23274wvParticipant
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alyoshamucciI have to say that last year, I was on the fence about taking an OT. I wanted Sammy Watkins of course, but I was on the fence on whether or not Fisher would consider taking an O lineman in round one since he’d never done it.
But when I look at it now, as I looked at it then, he was NOT taking an O lineman. He was taking a FREAK. G Rob was 330 and ran a 4.9 and had how many reps? Also, Boudreau LOVED him.
He may be the most athletic tackle prospect to come out since Pace and he had the full confidence of our staff.All of that led to our moving toward him instead of the freakish Sammy Watkins. This year we have another shot at a top WR, and next year likely too. Also it turned out to really matter that we went that direction because Jake went down.
But let’s not forget that he had NEVER done that before, and let’s not forget that G Robinson is an absolute MONSTER.
So, my point? We’re not going O line at 10. I’m going to call it. Scherff is an average athlete, Peat and Flowers are really second round prospects with upside but huge holes in their game … and possibly their attitudes, which is even worse. Are they really that much better than Donovan Smith, or even Jamal Brown for that matter?
So while some may have an O lineman worthy of a pick at ten, would you say that Fisher would take a GUARD at 10? I can’t. I just can’t.
Whether we take a WR, Gurley, or a high end DE I really don’t care. But I am going on record to say that I believe there is ZERO chance they take an average athlete at 10 overall.
April 28, 2015 at 4:01 pm #23276wvParticipantJust a quote i saw.
From an article i skimmed.
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….and one of the scouts I have come to respect immensely simply wouldn’t budge outside of a top five….
…”I love this draft, I absolutely love it,” he said. “This is a scout’s draft. If you are the average GM and you didn’t go see these kids play a lot this year and you were watching film all year, you’re screwed. You have to have watched the tape all season. You have to have really seen these kids, and there is no way you can find the time to watch all 12 games on them in the offseason. You have to have seen these players develop all year long to have the right track on them.“This is my kind of a draft. Am I saying this group is loaded with Pro Bowlers? No. But there are some really good players who are going to go on the second and third day who, I’m telling you, are going to be better than a lot of kids who go on the first day. You just have to know where to find them.”
April 28, 2015 at 4:23 pm #23278snowmanParticipantwv, I agree with all of that and I hope it comes true. I can’t see taking a tackle at #10 if he is not going to be the starting left tackle in a year or less. That’s Robinson’s job now. It doesn’t make football sense and I believe that Fisher and Snead also believe that it doesn’t make sense.
Outside of a game-changing defensive player or a left tackle to protect your QB, I have always felt that a top 10 or 12 pick int he draft should be a skill player on offense. You can’t coach speed and other rare natural abilities. You can’t coach instincts or football sense, that comes with experience. That’s just my bias, because I see other positions filled with mold-able, teachable players who become very good pros over time. We can coach up interior linemen and a right tackle, but we better draft a gifted skill player or game-changer on defense if he is available to us.
April 28, 2015 at 5:42 pm #23279AgamemnonParticipantSt. Louis Rams:
5/8: “On a more serious note, unless Clowney is there at No. 2, looks like Rams’ trade options are more likely at No. 13.” – Jim Thomas5/8: Jeff Fisher, appearing on stage along with Sam Bradford at a pre-draft party, told everyone that Bradford is “our guy.”
5/7: The Rams want to move down to take Jake Matthews, according to league media sources. This is pretty much a combination of two recycled stories; league media sources tend to reycle other reports and take all the credit when possible. This is a legit scoop steal though; St. Louis would love to move down, and Jim Thomas already noted Matthews to be a prospect of interest.
5/6: “Spielman on Bradford rumors: I have not had any specific talks with Rams.” – Ben Goessling, ESPN
5/6: The Rams have done their most work with Greg Robinson and Johnny Manziel, according to Chris Mortensen.
5/6: “Rams had an interesting meeting with Johnny Manziel at the Combine. Kicked everyone out besides GM Les Snead, Jeff Fisher & Manziel.” – Ian Rapoport
5/5: “Extremely reliable sources tell Post-Dispatch the Rams are not shopping Bradford.” – Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post-Dispatch
5/5: “Make no mistake, Johnny Manziel was the focal point of [the Rams’] visit to College Station … Manziel, I’m told, aced everything.” – Chris Mortensen
5/5: The Rams and Vikings have discussed a Sam Bradford trade, according to Jason La Canfora. This sounds fun, but trading Bradford’s contract could be impossible.
5/5: “Popular theory with personnel execs: Greg Cosell just said he believe Johnny Manziel will go No. 2 to the Rams.” – Adam Caplan
5/5: The Rams like Greg Robinson at No. 2 overall, according to Peter King.
5/5: The Rams like Johnny Manziel “a lot,” per Peter King.
5/4: Sammy Watkins is not an option for the Rams at No. 2, according to Jim Thomas, St. Louis Dispatch.
5/4: “The Rams have a couple of options: trade down or take an offensive tackle. I don’t think they’ll take Sammy Watkins. I think they’ll take Matthews over Robinson.” – Jim Thomas, St. Louis Dispatch.
5/2: “I believe their interest is serious. There are people who believe they could take [Johnny Manziel] at 2.” – Chris Mortensen
4/30: “Rams are working out numerous players now that visits to team facility are over. Notre Dame, Ohio St, Tennessee, Michigan are among team’s stops.” – Chris Mortensen. Possibilities include: Zack Martin (No. 13), Louis Nix (2nd round), Stephon Tuitt (2nd round), Bradley Roby (2nd round), Ryan Shazier (No. 13), Jack Mewhort (3rd round), JaWuan James (2nd round), Antonio Richardson (3rd round) and Taylor Lewan (No. 13).
4/30: “Don’t rule out Johnny Manziel landing in St. Louis.” – Todd McShay
4/25: The Rams’ chances of trading out of the No. 2 pick are “not as good as the team would like,” according to Adam Schefter.
4/21: Adam Schefter said that he expects the first four picks in the 2014 NFL Draft to be Jadeveon Clowney, Greg Robinson, Khalil Mack and Sammy Watkins in some order.
4/21: The Rams have met with Jason Verrett twice thus far (Combine, pre-draft visit). Go here for the entire NFL Draft Prospect Meetings List.
4/21: The Rams are “strongly considering” drafting a quarterback, according to Jim Thomas, St. Louis Post-Dispatch. They’ll likely take one in the middle rounds.
4/14: “Johnny Manziel is in play anywhere from No. 3 with Jacksonville to the Rams’ second first-round pick at No. 13.” – Adam Schefter
4/9: “Notre Dame OT/OG Zack Martin had visit scheduled with Rams, but that visit was cancelled.” – Jim Thomas
4/8: General manager Les Snead has said that the Rams have had discussions with multiple teams regarding a trade.
4/3: “Rams personnel descended upon Rock Hill, S.C. – Clowney’s hometown – to do background work before the NFL Scouting Combine as due diligence in case the pass rusher falls to No. 2 in the draft.” – Chris Wesseling, NFL.com
4/3: “Several personnel guys have told me they’d be very surprised if the Rams passed on HaHa Clinton-Dix at 13.” – Daniel Jeremiah
4/2: The Rams are “falling in love” with Khalil Mack. They’ll decide between him and Sammy Watkins if they stay at No. 2 and if Jadeveon Clowney is not on the board, according to Charlie Campbell. Go here for more in our NFL Draft Rumor Mill.
3/31: The Rams, Browns, Lions, Ravens and Jets have been identified as teams that could move around in the draft, according to Peter King.
3/29: “Jeff Fisher made it clear that any potential trade involving his team’s No. 2 overall pick this year isn’t likely to come to fruition in advance of May’s draft.” – Nick Wagoner, ESPN
3/28: “He’s very, very explosive. I mean, he’s good with the ball. He’s good without the ball. He’s one of those guys that can pluck a ball at his ankles running full speed. He’s gonna be a very, very good pro.” – Jeff Fisher on Sammy Watkins
3/26: “Could Rams take DE Jadeveon Clowney at No. 2 overall? Fisher: ‘I’ve learned over the years that you never have enough pass rushers.'” – Jim Thomas
3/26: “We’ve not really had any discussion with anybody (about trading down). That doesn’t mean to say we won’t.” – Jeff Fisher
3/16: Offensive line coaches from St. Louis and Pittsburgh (as well as Mike Tomlin) attended Michigan’s Pro Day to see Taylor Lewan.
2/24: “It’s entirely possible the Rams would get the most in return from a team moving up to land South Carolina defensive end Jadeveon Clowney. Atlanta remains the most logical potential trade partner.” – Nick Wagoner, ESPN
2/24: “the Rams certainly will have a chance to trade the second pick, and will be very interested in doing so.” – Peter King
1/24: “After speaking with those contacts, the St. Louis Rams are definitely looking to trade down from the second-overall pick. The Rams feel that in order for a good trade market to develop, they need two quarterback prospects to emerge from the group of Louisville’s Teddy Bridgewater, Central Florida’s Blake Bortles, Texas A&M’s Johnny Manziel and Fresno State’s Derek Carr.” – Charlie Campbell
1/24: “I think our receivers right now, I truly believe as they progress … we cannot have another receiver around here,” he said. “And we’re going to be a good football team.” – Rams GM Les Snead.
1/24: The Rams are committed to Sam Bradford in 2014, according to general manager Les Snead.
1/24: The Rams are “open for business” in terms of trading the No. 2 pick. – Peter King
1/24: “I don’t think they’ll go QB. Do that and you’re starting over. Bradford was playing pretty well before his injury. (Bradford still has enough attempts to qualify for the passer ratings; he’s currently 10th in the league in passer rating. Why would you throw that away?)” – Jim Thomas
1/24: The Rams had scouts at the Texas A&M-Missouri game, per NFL.com’s Chase Goodbread.
Read more at http://walterfootball.com/draft2014rumorsteams.php#uQtQYtRujp17qpJX.99
Just a few rumors from last year, when we took Johnny Tebow. 😉
April 28, 2015 at 10:41 pm #23300znModeratorfrom off the net
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Flipper336
final OVERALL 2015 Draft Board
This is not a prediction board, it’s how I rank players. It is a start from scratch board, it’s not geared to any specific system or team. I’ll be glad to answer any questions or discuss any of the prospects in more detail. Hope this helps make the rankings in the BPA list make more sense…like how a four players are obviously top five BPA but not Top 5 grades.
About the board –
Players at all positions are in order. I still use my older method of grading to get players into tiers but I now move them around in that tier by gut feeling. Simply who I like more so I won’t really be able to “sell” why I may like one player in a tier more than another in the same tier. A (+) means a player is at the top of a tier for me, (-) at the bottom based on “gut feelings”. Was going to leave out the UDFA tier, then started adding them, THEN started running out of time so I’m just leaving them in and will do a priority UDFA list after the draft.Hope people enjoy it.
QUARTERBACKS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
Jameis Winston, Florida State (character?)
Top 50 –
NONETop 100 –
+ Garrett Grayson, Colorado State
– Brandon Bridge, South Alabama
– Marcus Mariotta, OregonTop 150 –
– Bryce Petty, Baylor
UDFA –
Jameill Showers, UTEP
Ryan Williams, Miami
Jake Waters, Kansas State
Taylor Heinicke, Old DominionRUNNING BACKS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
NONETop 50 –
+ Todd Gurley, Georgia
David Johnson, Northern Iowa
Duke Johnson, Miami
Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
Tevin Coleman, IndianaTop 100 –
Jay Ajayi, Boise State
Jeremy Langford, Michigan State
David Cobb, Minnesota
Mike Davis, South Carolina
Karlos Williams, Florida StateTop 150 –
Josh Robinson, Mississippi State
Matt Jones, Florida
Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska
TJ Yeldon, AlabamaUDFA –
Dreamius Smith, West Virginia
John Cockett, North Dakota State
Brandon Wegher, Morningside CollegeWIDE RECEIVERS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
+ Amari Cooper, Alabama
+ DeVante Parker, Louisville
+ Kevin White, West Virginia
Jaelen Strong, Arizona StateTop 50 –
Tre McBride, William & Mary
Rashad Greene, Florida State
Antwan Goodley, Baylor
Dorial Green-Beckham
Jamison Crowder, Duke
Breshad Perriman, UCF
Nelson Agholor, USC
Phillip Dorsett, MiamiTop 100 –
+ Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
+ Devin Smith, Ohio State
+ Devante Davis, UNLV
Justin Hardy, East Carolina
Jordan Taylor, Rice
DeAndre Smelter, Georgia Tech (inj?)
Dezmin Lewis, Central Arkansas
Darren Waller, Georgia Tech
Sammie Coates, Auburn
Devin Funchess, MichiganTOP 150 –
+Ty Montgomery, Stanford
John Harris, Texas
Vince Mayle, Washington State
Geremy Davis, UConn
Jamarcus Nelson, UAB
Stefon Diggs, Maryland
Dre Anderson, Utah
Titus Davis, Central Michigan
Kasen Williams, Washington
Josh Harper, Fresno StateUDFA –
DaVaris Daniels, Notre Dame
Tyrell Williams, Western Oregon
Nigel King, KansasTIGHT ENDS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
NONETop 50 –
Maxx Williams, Minnesota
Jesse James, Penn StateTop 100 –
+ Clive Walford, Miami
+ Jeff Heuerman, Ohio State
– Ben Koyack, Notre Dame
– Blake Bell, Oklahoma
– Tyler Kroft, RutgersTop 150 –
A.J. Derby, Arkansas
Lynden Trail, Norfolk State
Jean Sifrin, UMass (age)
MyCole Pruitt, Southern Illinois
– Wes Saxton. South AlabamaUDFA –
Nick O’Leary, Florida State
OFFENSIVE TACKLES
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
+ T.J. Clemmings, Pitt
+ Jake Fisher, Oregon
Andrus Peat, StanfordTop 50 –
Donovan Smith, Penn State
– Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State
– D.J. Humphries, Florida (injury/weight?)Top 100 –
+ Erick Flowers, Miami
Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin (OG)
Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M (injury?)
Austin Shepherd, AlabamaTop 150 –
Daryl Williams, Oaklahoma
Jeremiah Poutasi, Utah (OG)
Corey Robinson, South Carolina
Kevin Whimpey, Utah State
Tayo Fabuluje, TCUUDFA –
Tyrus Thompson, Oaklahoma
Christian Lombard, Notre DameGUARDS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
+ Brandon Scherff, Iowa (OT)
+ La’el Collins, LSU (OT)Top 50 –
NONETop 100 –
Tre’ Jackson, Florida State
Jarvis Harrison, Texas A&M
A.J. Cann, South Carolina
– Arie Kouandijo, Alabama
– Laken Tomlinson, Duke
– Shaq Mason, Georgia TechTop 150 –
Isaiah Shelton, Shepherd
Jon Feliciano, Miami
John Miller, Louisville
Jamon Brown, Louisville
Jamil Douglas, Arizona State
Mitch Morse, Missouri
Mark Glowinski, West Virginia
Adam Shead, Oklahoma
Quinton Spain, West Virginia
– Bobby Hart, Florida State
– Josue Matias, Florida State
– Trenton Brown, FloridaUDFA –
CENTERS
Top 50 –
Cam Erving, Florida State
Top 100 –
Andy Gallik, Boston College
Ali Marpit, Hobart
– Max Garcia, FloridaTOP 150 –
Nick Easton, Harvard
David Andrews, Georgia
Hroniss Grasu, Oregon
Reese Dismukes, Auburn
B.J. Finney, Kansas StateUDFA –
Brandon Vitabile, Northwestern
Greg Mancz, ToledoDEFENSIVE END/OLB
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
+ Vic Beasley, Clemson
+ Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA
+ Shane Ray, Missouri
+ Henry Anderson, Stanford
Preston Smith, Miss. St.Top 50 –
Eli Harold, Virginia
Trey Flowers, Arkansas
Nate Orchard, Utah
Arik Armstead, Oregon
– Lorenzo Mauldin, Louisville
– Randy Gregory, NebraskaTop 100 –
Markus Golden, Missouri
Za’Darius Smith, Kentucky
– Zack Hodges, Harvard
– Mario Edwards, FSU
– Danielle Hunter, LSUTop 150 –
Ryan Delaire, Towson
Mike Reilly, William & Mary
Brock Hekking, Nevada
Deion Barnes, Penn State
Shaquille Riddick, West Virginia
Zack Wagenmann, Montana
Obum Gwacham, Oregon State
Anthony Chickillo, Miami
Max Valles, VirginiaUDFA –
INTERIOR DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
Top 5 –
Leonard Williams, USC
Top 25 –
+ Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma
Carl Davis, Iowa
Danny Shelton, Washington
Malcom Brown, TexasTop 50 –
+ Eddie Goldman, Florida State
Grady Jarrett, Clemson
Xavier Cooper, Washington StateTop 100 –
Derrick Lott, UT Chattanooga
Top 150 –
Terry Williams, ECU
Michael Bennett, Ohio State
Bobby Richardson, Indiana
Joey Mbu, Houston
– Marcus Hardison, Arizona State
– Darius Kilgo, MarylandUDFA –
Rakeem Nunez-Roches, Southern Miss
Carlif Taylor, Southern Connecticut
Xavier Williams, UNI
Gabe Wright, AuburnOUTSIDE LINEBACKERS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
+ Shaq Thompson, Washington
Paul Dawson, TCU
Alvin Dupree, Kentucky
Dante Fowler Jr., FloridaTop 50 –
NONETop 100 –
Davis Tull, UC-Chattanooga
Kwon Alexander, LSU
Hau’oli Kikaha, WashingtonTop 150 –
Ben Heeney, Kansas
Reshard Cliett, USFUDFA –
Tank Jakes, Memphis
MIDDLE/INSIDE LINEBACKERS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
NONETop 50 –
+ Eric Kendricks, UCLA (OLcool smiley
Denzel Perryman, MiamiTop 100 –
Jordan Hicks, Texas
Taiwan Jones, Michigan State (target later)
Stephone Anthony, Clemson
Martell Spaight, Arkansas (target later)
Benardrick McKinney, Mississippi State (34)
Kyle Emanuel, North Dakota State (DE) (34OLcool smiley
– Justin Shirk, Bloomsburg (target later)
– Zach Vigil, Utah State (target later)Top 150 –
+ Mike Hull, Penn State
Hayes Pullard, USC (OLcool smiley
Bryce Hager, Baylor
A.J. Tarpley, Stanford (OLcool smileyUDFA –
Jeff Luc, Cincinnati
Terrence Plummer, UCFSAFETIES
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
NONETop 50 –
Landon Collins, Alabama
Clayton Geathers, UCF
Adrian Amos, Penn State
Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio) (Ccool smiley
Ibraheim Campbell, Northwestern
– Cody Prewitt, Miss StateTop 100 –
+ Donald Celiscar, Western Michigan
+ Julius White, Rice
+ Anthony Harris, Virginia
– Kurtis Drummond, Michigan State
– Chris Hackett, TCUTop 150 –
Anthony Jefferson, UCLA
– Jaquiski Tartt, Samford
– Fritz Etienne, Memphis
– Erick Dargan, Oregon
– Dean Marlowe, James Madison
– Cedric Thompson, Minnesota
– Jordan Richards, StanfordUDFA –
Robenson Therezie, Auburn
Durell Eskridge, SyracuseCORNERBACKS
Top 5 –
NONETop 25 –
+ Eric Rowe, Utah +S
Kevin Johnson, Wake ForestTop 50 –
Jalen Collins, LSU (character? Drop?)
Jacoby Glenn, UCF
Trae Waynes, Michigan State
Marcus Peters, Washington
Ronald Darby, Florida State
P.J. Williams, Florida State
– Doran Grant, Ohio StateTop 100 –
+ Kevin White, TCU
+ Steven Nelson, Oregon State
Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, Oregon
Chris Conley, Georgia
Byron Jones, UConnTop 150 –
+ D’ Joun Smith, Florida Atlantic
+ Ladarius Gunter, Miami (safety?)
+ Charles Gaines, Louisville
+ Bobby McCain, Memphis
Craig Mager, Texas State
Garry Peters, Clemson
Julian Wilson, Oaklahoma
– JaCorey Shepherd, Kansas
– Justin Coleman, Tennessee
– Alex Carter, StanfordUDFA –
Darryl Roberts, Marshall
Lorenzo, Doss, TulaneApril 29, 2015 at 3:56 pm #23341wvParticipant========================================
Alyoshamucci — 4/29/15 mock draftSo I’m going to do the first round, then our 6 picks. Hopefully Ill remember to pick the same person for us, lol.
Going to note that I believe will will have trade down options in the second maybe even more rich than in the first. I am also going to honor a few trades that I simply can’t live without. Bears have too many needs to address WR at 7 and not take a 3rd from Cleveland. This is if I’m GM.
Rams
1) Kevin White WR
2) Preston Smith DE
3) Arie Kuandjio OG
4) Max Garcia OC
6) Matt Jones RB
7) Zack Vigil ILBUDFA targets
Shane Carden, Chris Slade OG, Brandon Vitabile OC, any Auburn DT that slides (or SEC, Orr, Philon and Surratt included), Jordan Taylor, Geremy Davis, Cam Worthy, Jeff Prater …1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Jameis Winston
2. Tennessee Titans – Marcus Mariota
3. Jacksonville Jaguars – L Williams
4. Oakland Raiders – D Fowler
5. Washington Redskins – Vic Beasley
6. New York Jets – Bud Dupree
7. Cleveland Browns via Bears – Amari Cooper
8. Atlanta Falcons – Shane Ray (of the two pot smokers, the one that can keep weight on)
9. New York Giants – Brandon Scherff
10. St. Louis Rams – Kevin White (size speed athlete)
11. Minnesota Vikings – Devante Parker (too good to pass up teddy’s old roommate in case Wallace falls flat)
12. Chicago Bears – Jordan Phillips (Fox takes the player with the upside that he can coach)
13. New Orleans Saints – Landon Collins (aggression on the back end)
14. Miami Dolphins – Trae Waynes
15. Steelers for a 4th (9ers wanted out) – Randy Gregory
16. Houston Texans – Breshad Perriman
17. San Diego Chargers – Todd Gurley
18. Kansas City Chiefs – La’el Collins
19. Cleveland Browns – Arik Armstead
20. Philadelphia Eagles – Marcus Peters
21. Cincinnati Bengals – Ereck Flowers
22. San Francisco 49ers – Stephone Anthony (I expect a run on ILBs, too many teams need them)
23. Detroit Lions – Melvin Gordon
24. Arizona Cardinals – Eric Kendricks (Larry Foote is 75 years old)
25. Carolina Panthers – Jake Fisher
26. Baltimore Ravens – Kevin Johnson
27. Dallas Cowboys – Odighizuwa
28. Denver Broncos – Danny Shelton
29. Indianapolis Colts – Cam Erving
30. Green Bay Packers – Bernardrick Mckinney
31. New Orleans Saints – Eli Harold
32. New England Patriots – Dorial Green BeckhamI have to say, that it’s been a really long time since I didn’t even know what positions we were narrowed down to going into the draft, and this is the least confident I have been with a mock. I think having Reynolds and possibly Barksdale coming back gives us some room to manuever. I also believe there’s a run on ILBs late round 1 early round 2. Those guys that don’t share reps and manage the defense are tough to come by. The top 5 look pretty secure to me, after that there could be a trade every pick.
The WRs and RBs should come off in a flurry in round 2.- This reply was modified 9 years, 6 months ago by wv.
April 29, 2015 at 4:34 pm #23348HerzogParticipant=================================
alyoshamucciI have to say that last year, I was on the fence about taking an OT. I wanted Sammy Watkins of course, but I was on the fence on whether or not Fisher would consider taking an O lineman in round one since he’d never done it.
But when I look at it now, as I looked at it then, he was NOT taking an O lineman. He was taking a FREAK. G Rob was 330 and ran a 4.9 and had how many reps? Also, Boudreau LOVED him.
He may be the most athletic tackle prospect to come out since Pace and he had the full confidence of our staff.All of that led to our moving toward him instead of the freakish Sammy Watkins. This year we have another shot at a top WR, and next year likely too. Also it turned out to really matter that we went that direction because Jake went down.
But let’s not forget that he had NEVER done that before, and let’s not forget that G Robinson is an absolute MONSTER.
So, my point? We’re not going O line at 10. I’m going to call it. Scherff is an average athlete, Peat and Flowers are really second round prospects with upside but huge holes in their game … and possibly their attitudes, which is even worse. Are they really that much better than Donovan Smith, or even Jamal Brown for that matter?
So while some may have an O lineman worthy of a pick at ten, would you say that Fisher would take a GUARD at 10? I can’t. I just can’t.
Whether we take a WR, Gurley, or a high end DE I really don’t care. But I am going on record to say that I believe there is ZERO chance they take an average athlete at 10 overall.
This actually makes sense to me.
April 30, 2015 at 11:27 am #23408AgamemnonParticipantPigskins Top 100
PIGSKIN PAUL’s Top 100 2015 Draft
Posted: April 29, 2015 | No CommentsHere are my Top 100 players as we head to Draft Thursday.
1 Jameis Winston/QB/Florida State
2 Marcus Mariota/QB/Oregon
3 Leonard Williams/DL/USC
4 Amari Cooper/WR/ALabama
5 Kevin White/WR/West Virginia
6 Donte Fowler/ER/Florida
7 Trae Waynes/CB?Michigan State
8 Vic Beasley/ER?Clemson
9 Danny SHelton/NT?Washington
10 Todd Gurley/RB?Georgia
11 DeVANTE PARKER/WR/Louisville
12 Brandon Scherff/G/T/Iowa
13 Ereck Flowers/OT/Mami
14 Malcom Brown/DT/Texas
15 Melvin Gordon/RB/Wisconsin
16 Shane Ray/ER/Missouri
17 Bud Dupree/ER/Kentucky
18 La’el Collins/G/T/LSU
19 Landon Collins/SS/Alabama
20 Randy Gregory/ER/Nebraska
21 Arik Armstead/DL/Oregon
22 Andrus Peat/T/Stanford
23 Marcus Peters/CB/Washington
24 DJ Humphries/T/Florida
25 Jaelen Strong/WR/Arizona State
26 Nelson Agholor/WR/USC
27 Kevin Johnson/CB/Wake Forest
28 Breshard Perriman/WR/UCF
29 Eddie Goldman/DT/Florida State
30 Cameron Erving/T/C/Florida State
31 Stephone Anthony/ILB/Clemson
32 Jake Fisher/T/Oregon
33 Shaq Thompson/LB/Washington
34 Dorial Green-Beckham/WR/Oklahoma
35 Eli Harold/LB/Virginia
36 TJ Clemmings/T/Pitt
37 Jordan Phillips/DT/Oklahoma
38 Devin Smith/WR/Ohio State
39 Jalen Collins/CB/LSU
40 Maxx Williams/TE/Minnesota
41 Sammie Coates/WR/Auburn
42 Benardrick McKinney/ILB/Mississippi State
43 Buron Jones/DB/UConn
44 Carl Davis/DT/Iowa
45 Eric Kendricks/ILB/UCLA
46 Devin Funchess/TE/Michigan
47 Jay Ajayi/RB/Boise State
48 AJ Cann/OG/South Carolina
49 Quentin Rollins/S/Miami (O)
50 Preston Smith/DE/Mississippi State
51 Cedric Ogbuehi/T/Texas A&M
52 Michael Bennett/DT/Ohio State
53 Tevin Coleman/RB/Indiana
54 Duke Johnson/RB/Miami
55 Owi Odighizuwa/ER/UCLA
56 Damarious Randall/S/Arizona State
57 Mario Edwards/DE/Florida State
58 Phillip Dorsett/WR/Miami
59 Clive Walford/TE/Miami
60 PJ Williams/CB/Florida State
61 Laken Tomlinson/G/Duke
62 Brett Hundley/QB/UCLA
63 Tyler Lockett/WR/RS/Kansas State
64 Denzel Perryman/ILB/Mami
65 Ifo Ekpre-Olomu/CB/Oregon
66 Jaquiski Tartt/SS/Samford
67 Danielle Hunter/ER/LSU
68 Donovan Smith/OT/Penn State
69 Prewitt, Cody/S/Ole Miss
70 Nare Orchard/ER/Utah
71 Paul Dawson/LB/TCU
72 Ameer Abdullah/RB/Nebraska
73 Bryce Petty/QB/Baylor
74 Tyler Sambraillo/T/G/Colorado State
75 Kwon Alexander/LB/LSU
76 Eric Rowe/DB/Utah
77 Alex Carter/CB/Stanford
78 Tre Jackson/OG/Florida State
79 Buck Allen/RB/USC
80 Xavier Cooper/DL/Washington State
81 Hau-Oli Kikaha/ER/Washington
82 Lorenzo Mauldin/OLB/Louisville
83 Ty Montgomery/WR/RS/STanford
84 Ronald Darby/CB/Florida State
85 TJ Yeldon/RB/Alabama
86 Rashad Greene/WR/Florida State
87 Doran Grant/CB/Ohio State
88 Ali Marpet/G/C/Hobart
89 Tre McBride/WR/WM & Mary
90 Anthony Harris/S/Virginia
91 Senquez Golson/CB/Ole Miss
92 Grady Jarrett/DT/Clemson
93 Steven Nelson/CB?oregon State
94 Derron Smith/S/Fresno State
95 David Johnson/RB/Northern Iowa
96 Justin Hardy/WR?east Carolina
97 Josh Shaw/S/USC
98 D’Joun Smith/CB/Florida Atlantic
99 Marcus Hardison/DE/Arizona State
100 Hroniss Grasu/OC/Oregonhttp://gbnreport.com/pigskins-top-100/
Here is another top 100.
April 30, 2015 at 11:36 am #23410AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25168226/nfl-mock-draft-with-amari-cooper-jaguars-start-the-surprises
2015 NFL Mock Draft: With Amari Cooper, Jaguars start the surprises
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
April 29, 2015 10:48 pm ETRampant trade talk and a pick-your-flavor class of prospects will make the first NFL Draft held in the city of Chicago a memorable one.
While most are focusing on what the Tennessee Titans will do with the No. 2 overall pick, the action could really get interesting a pick later, as most anticipate quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota will, indeed, be the first two picks off board. Rather than pick between defensive linemen Leonard Williams and Dante Fowler Jr., the Jaguars might instead elect to take a player on offense for the sixth consecutive year.
Sparking the offense (and fan base) could be decision that helps Jacksonville become relevant and sparks a crazy first day of the 2015 NFL Draft.
Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota will be drafted 1-2; after that, things could get crazy. (USATSI)Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota will be drafted 1-2; after that, things could get crazy. (USATSI)
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Round 1
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State: Though questions still remain about Winston’s maturity, from a purely football perspective, he is an excellent match in Tampa Bay as he has the awareness, accuracy, and arm strength to take full advantage of the Bucs’ massive pass-catchers. Winston has Pro Bowl talent and makes Tampa Bay instantly competitive in a very winnable NFC South.
2. Tennessee Titans — Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon: Whether the Titans select Mariota or trade this pick to another team (the Browns or Eagles appear most likely), sources throughout the league expect the reigning Heisman Trophy winner to come off the board at No. 2. Mariota isn’t as pro-ready as Winston but he has all of the traits to be a franchise quarterback.
3. Jacksonville Jaguars — Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama: Giving second-year quarterback Blake Bortles the most pro-ready receiver in the draft helps Jacksonville more than adding another pass rusher to a squad that already finished sixth in the NFL in sacks a season ago.
4. Oakland Raiders — Leonard Williams, DT, Southern California: Arguably the best defender in the draft fell into the Raiders’ lap a year ago with Khalil Mack. Williams has said he would like to play for the Raiders and would complement Mack, giving Oakland its first fearsome defensive front in a long time.
5. Washington Redskins — Dante Fowler Jr., DE/OLB, Florida: With the draft’s most pro-ready pass rusher still available, Washington is able to quickly replace free-agent departure Brian Orakpo — who the club attempted to keep.
6. New York Jets — Kevin White, WR, West Virginia: New general manager Mike Macaggnan and head coach Todd Bowles have no ties to incumbent quarterback Geno Smith and could make a bold play for Mariota. If standing pat, adding arguably the most gifted receiver in the draft could give Smith the trio of receivers (along with Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker) necessary to knock the CB-needy Patriots off their perch in the AFC East.
7. Chicago Bears — Danny Shelton, DT, Washington: Any debate as to the direction of Chicago’s pick could be answered if both of the top receivers are off the board. John Fox’s allegiance lies on the defensive line anyway and he and defensive coordinator Vic Fangio may see Shelton as the ideal building block at nose guard.
8. Atlanta Falcons — Vic Beasley, DE, Clemson: The Falcons brought in former Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn as head coach to bring some intensity and pass rush to Atlanta. Pound for pound, Beasley is the most explosive edge rusher in the draft.
9. New York Giants — Brandon Scherff, OT, Iowa: The Giants could be intrigued by some of the edge rushers still on the board but if Scherff — the draft’s best offensive lineman — is available, he would make too much sense to pass up.
10. St. Louis Rams — Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami: The Rams developed a fearsome defensive line with the picks gained in the 2012 Robert Griffin III trade but reinforcements are still needed on the opposite side. Like 2014 No. 2 overall pick Greg Robinson, Flowers is a mauler in the running game.
11. Minnesota Vikings — Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State: Given the receivers Minnesota faces each year in the NFC North, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see defensive-minded head coach Mike Zimmer push for another long-lanky corner for his scheme, especially should the top talent at the position fall in his lap.
12. Cleveland Browns — Breshad Perriman, WR, Central Florida: If the Browns are unable (or unwilling) to trade up for Mariota, filling holes at wide receiver and along the line of scrimmage would become the priority. Perriman has the explosiveness to replace Josh Gordon as a vertical threat and could emerge as a true No. 1 target if he eliminated some of the drops. Watch out for this pick (or No. 19 overall) going to Philadelphia in a deal for veteran quarterback Sam Bradford.
13. New Orleans Saints — Alvin “Bud” Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky: With two first-round picks but multiple needs after jettisoning Jimmy Graham, Kenny Stills and Ben Grubbs, the Saints could go in a variety of directions here. Providing defensive coordinator Rob Ryan with an explosive rusher like Dupree could provide the greatest immediate impact.
14. Miami Dolphins — Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia: With his surgically repaired knee reportedly earning positive reviews from NFL doctors on April 17, Gurley is likely to get a late bump up draft boards. By already investigating a trade into the top 10 for a receiver, Miami appears committed to making a big splash on draft day, similar to the aggressive move made in free agency with the signing of Ndamukong Suh.
15. San Francisco 49ers — Marcus Peters, CB, Washington: Patrick Willis and Chris Borland retiring has shifted the attention in San Francisco to inside linebacker but replacing starting cornerback Chris Culliver is also a concern. Peters comes with obvious character concerns after getting kicked off the team at Washington but the Oakland native would have local support here and plays with the physicality to handle playing in the rough and tumble NFC West.
16. Houston Texans — DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville: The addition of veterans Cecil Shorts and Nate Washington may not equal what the Texans lost with Andre Johnson heading to divisional rival Indianapolis. Parker’s gliding gait and wide catch radius could complement the toughness and physicality that DeAndre Hopkins already brings to the field.
17. San Diego Chargers — Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin: If unable to swing a deal for Mariota, the Chargers may take the more conventional route of boosting their offense by investing a first-round pick in a runner — the same route that landed the club LaDainian Tomlinson and Ryan Matthews, the only two backs to rush for over 1,000 yards for San Diego this century.
18. Kansas City Chiefs — D.J. Humphries, OT, Florida: Under general manager John Dorsey, the Chiefs have consistently drafted with an eye toward the future. As such, a defensive back makes sense. Don’t put it past head coach Andy Reid (a former offensive line coach) to ignore a talent like Humphries, who has the light feet to handle left tackle, allowing former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher to remain at his more natural right tackle position.
19. Cleveland Browns (from Buffalo) — Arik Armstead, DL, Oregon: The Browns finished dead last in the NFL in run defense a year ago and have allowed over 2,000 rushing yards in 14 of the past 16 seasons — a recipe for disaster in the black and blue AFC North. If standing pat, it is hard to imagine defensive-minded head coach Mike Pettine not pushing for help along the line of scrimmage and Armstead has the raw tools to develop.
20. Philadelphia Eagles — Cameron Erving, OL, Florida State: The Eagles may very well wind up trading out of this pick but with concerns along the offensive line and Chip Kelly’s preference for versatile and highly athletic blockers, Erving could be a perfect match.
21. Cincinnati Bengals — Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford: The Bengals have two solid tackles in Andrew Whitworth and Andre Smith but each will be entering the final year of their contracts in 2015. The notoriously frugal Bengals may already be looking ahead to the future, especially if a talent like Peat falls into their lap.
22. Pittsburgh Steelers — Randy Gregory, OLB/DE, Nebraska: With a once-proud defense aging, Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert may be a little bit more willing to roll the dice on a player with character red flags. Cornerback is the team’s greatest need but edge rushers with Gregory’s length and agility don’t come around very often outside of the top 20 picks.
23. Detroit Lions — Malcom Brown, DT, Texas: The loss of Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley in free agency makes defensive tackle an obvious area of concern for the Lions. Brown is a quick-twitch penetrating defensive tackle whose blue-collar work ethic might be especially appreciated in Detroit after Suh took the money and ran and Fairley failed to live up to expectations.
24. Arizona Cardinals — Shane Ray, DE/OLB, Missouri: A citation for marijuana possession this week and a less-than-spectacular Pro Day has Ray’s stock slipping but for an Arizona squad looking for edge rushers, the reigning SEC sack king could fit perfectly. Ray has an electric first step to beat pass blockers off the edge and if inserted into a defense as talented as Arizona’s, he could quickly prove a steal.
25. Carolina Panthers — Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon: The addition of veterans Michael Oher and Jonathan Martin sounds good on paper but reinforcements along the offensive line are needed. Fisher, a former tight end with experience at both left and right tackle, has the athleticism and grit to contribute immediately.
26. Baltimore Ravens — Nelson Agholor, WR, Southern Cal: Despite owner Steve Bisciotti claiming that the Ravens don’t need help at receiver, the loss of deep threat Torrey Smith to free agency and the advancing age of Steve Smith beg to differ. Agholor starred in a pro-style offense and has the agility and speed to take full advantage of Joe Flacco’s big arm.
27. Dallas Cowboys — Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest: Cornerback is one of the few areas of concern on an otherwise stacked roster in Dallas. Johnson, a four-year starter, has terrific agility and speed but some question his ability to handle the physicality of the NFL at 6-feet and 188 pounds, which could allow him to drop into Dallas’ lap.
28. Denver Broncos — Cedric Ogbuehi, OT, Texas A&M: Gary Kubiak’s beloved West Coast offense calls for athletic offensive linemen. They don’t come much more athletic than Ogbuehi, who was viewed as a possible top-10 pick entering the year. Ogbuehi is still recovering from a torn ACL but his upside is exciting and Kubiak (and his staff) will know him well following their time in Houston.
29. Indianapolis Colts — Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State: No player has flown up the board faster over the past few months than Randall, whose agility and instincts in coverage make him better suited to handing today’s pass-happy offenses than Alabama’s Landon Collins. For a club needing help at safety and hoping to vault past Denver and New England as the elite team in the AFC, Randall makes sense.
30. Green Bay Packers — Eric Kendricks, ILB, UCLA: The Packers may have been a dropped onside kick from playing in the Super Bowl but allowing 157 rushing yards to Marshawn Lynch in the NFC Championship Game didn’t help. It also wasn’t a one-game issue, as the Packers finished the regular season ranked 23rd in the league in run defense and have since released inside linebackers A.J. Hawk and Brad Jones. Kendricks lacks the bulk of a traditional 3-4 inside linebacker but his instincts, speed and ball skills could be the quick fix GM Ted Thompson is looking for.
31. New Orleans Saints (from Seattle Seahawks) — Byron Jones, CB, Connecticut: With the addition of a pass rusher at No. 13, the Saints can take advantage of the depth of this year’s cornerback class with Jones, whose athleticism would serve as an ideal complement to Keenan Lewis.
32. New England Patriots — Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State: Don’t be surprised if the Patriots trade out of this pick, as teams will want to take advantage of the five-year contract options allowed to first-round picks, making the No. 32 overall selection much more valuable than No. 33. If standing pat, Goldman’s size and strength could make him an ideal replacement for longtime nose Vince Wilfork.
The Titans kick off the second round with Arizona State wide receiver Jaelen Strong. (USATSI)The Titans kick off the second round with Arizona State wide receiver Jaelen Strong. (USATSI)
Round 2
33. Tennessee Titans — Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State: Strong isn’t as dynamic as his combine workout suggests but he’s the reliable pass-catcher needed to help Tennessee’s offense grow.
34. Tampa Bay Buccaneers — Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State: Releasing Michael Johnson opens up a big need for defensive ends in Tampa.
35. Oakland Raiders — Phillip Dorsett, WR, Miami: The need for speed lives on in Oakland.
36. Jacksonville Jaguars — Eli Harold, DE, Virginia: The Jaguars continue to reinforce the pass rush, adding a more traditional LEO edge rusher with Harold.
37. New York Jets — Eric Rowe, CB, Utah: Concerns at corner and safety could be alleviated with Rowe, who starred at both positions while with the Utes.
38. Washington Redskins — Laken Tomlinson, G, Duke: Adding toughness and physicality along the offensive line will be a priority in Washington.
39. Chicago Bears — Landon Collins, S, Alabama: Collins could slip due to concerns about his agility in coverage but he’s a terrific in-the-box enforcer who could give the Bears some much-needed teeth in the secondary.
40. New York Giants — Mario Edwards Jr., DE, Florida State: The Giants are often willing to gamble on edge rushers and Edwards has created a lot of buzz for himself with terrific workouts.
41. St. Louis Rams — Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma: Despite plenty of focus on the position, the Rams still are lacking a true No. 1 receiver. The club has been willing to gamble on character concerns in the past and will know the talented but troubled Missouri transfer very well.
42. Atlanta Falcons — Donovan Smith, OT, Penn State: Adding size and physicality along the line of scrimmage will be the priority for the Falcons.
43. Cleveland Browns — Owamagbe Odighizuwa, DE, UCLA: The Browns gambled on traits with the selection of Barkevious Mingo two years ago and could be similarly intrigued with Odighizuwa.
44. New Orleans Saints — Stephone Anthony, ILB, Clemson: The ultra-physical Anthony was built to star in defensive coordinator Rob Ryan’s scheme.
45. Minnesota Vikings — A.J. Cann, OL, South Carolina: Cann’s physicality makes him an easy fit in Norv Turner’s drive-blocking scheme.
46. San Francisco 49ers — Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State: The surprise retirements of Patrick Willis and Chris Borland makes ILB a huge concern.
47. Miami Dolphins — Shaq Thompson, OLB, Washington: Scouts are split on whether Thompson fits best in the NFL as a linebacker or safety but there is no denying that he’s a playmaker.
48. San Diego Chargers — Carl Davis, DT, Iowa: Powerful enough to handle nose guard or defensive end duties in the 3-4, Davis could provide the Chargers lots of flexibility.
49. Kansas City Chiefs — Denzel Perryman, ILB, Miami: With Derrick Johnson coming off a ruptured Achilles tendon at the age of 32, the Chiefs might want to consider the future.
50. Buffalo Bills — T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh: Medical red flags have Clemmings’ stock slipping as the draft approaches but at this point, he might offer too much ability for the Bills to ignore.
51. Houston Texans – Jalen Collins, CB, LSU: Resigning Kareem Jackson was critical but depth behind him and fellow starter Johnathan Joseph is lacking and Collins has exciting tools to develop.
52. Philadelphia Eagles — Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State: Despite what Chip Kelly might say, the Eagles missed DeSean Jackson’s home-run threat. Smith could provide that.
53. Cincinnati Bengals — Grady Jarrett, DT, Clemson: Geno Atkins hasn’t looked the same since tearing his ACL. Jarrett has many of the same attributes, including power, quickness and a terrific motor.
54. Detroit Lions — Ameer Abdullah, RB, Nebraska: The Lions may see the dynamic Abdullah as an ideal complement to underrated big back Joique Bell.
55. Arizona Cardinals — Duke Johnson, RB, Miami: The Cardinals investigated DeMarco Murray and could see similar lead-back characteristics in Johnson, who blends great vision, balance and burst.
56. Pittsburgh Steelers — Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota: The Steelers re-signed Matt Spaeth to a two-year deal so tight end may not be a critical need with longtime starter Heath Miller entering the final year of his deal. At this point in the draft, though, Williams’ upside (and fit in this scheme) may be too much to pass up.
57. Carolina Panthers — Ronald Darby, CB, Florida State: The Panthers consistently bet heavy on unique traits and Darby has speed to burn.
58. Baltimore Ravens — P.J. Williams, CB, Florida State: Ozzie Newsome has bolstered his Hall of Fame résumé by nabbing good players who slip due to character red flags. Williams fills a need and is certainly worthy of second-round consideration.
59. Denver Broncos — Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State: The local favorite has the blend of athleticism and accuracy on the move to be a nice developmental option behind Manning in Kubiak’s West Coast offense.
60. Dallas Cowboys — Tevin Coleman, RB, Indiana: The Cowboys aren’t likely to wait long on draft day to supplement a running back corps that currently is led by Darren McFadden.
61. Indianapolis Colts — Nate Orchard, DE/OLB, Utah: Orchard isn’t a flashy athlete but he might just be the savviest pass rusher in the draft.
62. Green Bay Packers — Jordan Phillips, NT, Oklahoma: Phillips has first-round traits but concerns about the long-term health of his back could push him down the board. At this point, he could be seen as a steal.
63. Seattle Seahawks — Tre Jackson, G, Florida State: Jackson isn’t a flashy athlete but he’s powerful and reliable, making him a potential replacement for free-agent defection James Carpenter at left guard.
64. New England Patriots — Quinten Rollins, CB, Miami (Ohio): Given the turnover at cornerback for the Patriots, an athletic cover corner with Rollins’ ball skills would likely fetch plenty of interest.
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