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  • July 4, 2022 at 3:26 pm #139531
    waterfield
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    Why are so many religious people (Christians) followers of Trump ? Is it just abortion or -as I think may be the case-do they genuinely believe that he is doing God’s will? If the latter wouldn’t there be a better candidate for them ? I just don’t understand their reverence for the guy who seems the be the very opposite of a moral person.

    July 4, 2022 at 10:18 pm #139535
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    I doubt anyone knows, but he does have a knack for pandering to them.

    July 5, 2022 at 1:46 am #139538
    waterfield
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    He’s a snake oil salesman.  And that is precisely what the progressives need. That’s the world we live in and we better get on board.

    July 5, 2022 at 10:07 am #139540
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    waterfield wrote:

    Why are so many religious people (Christians) followers of Trump ? Is it just abortion or -as I think may be the case-do they genuinely believe that he is doing God’s will? If the latter wouldn’t there be a better candidate for them ? I just don’t understand their reverence for the guy who seems the be the very opposite of a moral person.

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    I think you already know the reasons.  Not that complicated, if you accept that humans are easily frightened, easily duped, easily propagandized.  And once they adopt this-or-that big-lie, they base their life on believing it.  And thus they double-down on it, if that perspective is threatened.  They cant live without the big-lie.  It would hurt too much.  Etc.

    Its really no different than why they loved Bush or Reagan, etc.   They wave the Bible around, quote a few passages, bring in some Rightwing Evangelicals as very visible consultants,  play the abortion card, and selectively play up the passages in the bible that make jesus look like a white, rightwing, American.

     

    wv-ram: Mom, how can you believe that sleazebag is really into Christianity?

    wv-mom:  He’s God’s Instrument.   God doesnt always use perfect people.

    And he will fight to stop the genocide against unborn babies.

     

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    July 5, 2022 at 10:44 am #139542
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    Interesting that Jesus never, ever mentions abortion, contraception, or gay people. Not once. So these right-wing evangelicals who say they’re just following their lord’s words . . . aren’t. They’re getting it from somewhere else. They’re also not getting “life begins at conception” from the Bible, cuz the Jews of that time believed life begins with first breath. That’s still the orthodox view.

    Etc. etc.

    In general, I think some people are drawing the wrong lesson from Trump’s rise, and the effectiveness of propaganda overall. And, to me, this has always been incredibly obvious, but it’s forever missed:

    If a Trump can sell a shit sandwich, and make people love it, that means a skillful salesperson can also sell really great stuff, like the Green New Deal, guaranteed jobs at a living wage, free public schools, cradle to grave, and M4A, for starters. It’s always frustrated the hell out of me that far too many Americans think the horrific success of the right means the Dems need to go further to the right to win.

    No. They just need to find their own charismatic leaders, movers, shakers, etc. etc. . . . and at least match the right’s all too effective messaging, sales, and marketing. If they do that, America can have really nice things. If they continue with the Republican Lite, it can’t, and people will just vote for the real thing, not the knock-off anyway.

    July 5, 2022 at 7:18 pm #139551
    waterfield
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    Billy_T wrote:

    Interesting that Jesus never, ever mentions abortion, contraception, or gay people. Not once. So these right-wing evangelicals who say they’re just following their lord’s words . . . aren’t. They’re getting it from somewhere else. They’re also not getting “life begins at conception” from the Bible, cuz the Jews of that time believed life begins with first breath. That’s still the orthodox view. Etc. etc. In general, I think some people are drawing the wrong lesson from Trump’s rise, and the effectiveness of propaganda overall. And, to me, this has always been incredibly obvious, but it’s forever missed: If a Trump can sell a shit sandwich, and make people love it, that means a skillful salesperson can also sell really great stuff, like the Green New Deal, guaranteed jobs at a living wage, free public schools, cradle to grave, and M4A, for starters. It’s always frustrated the hell out of me that far too many Americans think the horrific success of the right means the Dems need to go further to the right to win. No. They just need to find their own charismatic leaders, movers, shakers, etc. etc. . . . and at least match the right’s all too effective messaging, sales, and marketing. If they do that, America can have really nice things. If they continue with the Republican Lite, it can’t, and people will just vote for the real thing, not the knock-off anyway.

     

    I think what your saying Billy is the Progressives need a good looking, smart, great personality, sense of humor, war veteran who was injured in action, tough

    You know a progressive JFK

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