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  • #160461
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    I REALLY want Stafford to get this MVP thing this year. It would lock in the Hall of Fame. I think Josh Allen is the only one who could take it from Stafford at this point.

    Stafford has 40 TDs passing. 5 INTs. (2 games left)
    Allen has 25 passing and 12 rushing. 10 INTs (with 3 games left)

    Seems to be a consensus among talking-heads that Allen is the ‘most talented player’ in the NFL but Stafford is having a slightly better year. Its close though. Still up for grabs.

    Bills play Browns, Eagles, Jets.

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    #160462
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    i’d like for him to get it, but some people have questioned if an mvp award would be handed to a guy whose team finishes second or third in their division. i don’t know that that’s happened before or not.

    i’m rooting for him though.

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    #160466
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    i’d like for him to get it, but some people have questioned if an mvp award would be handed to a guy whose team finishes second or third in their division. i don’t know that that’s happened before or not.

    i’m rooting for him though.

    Well, the Bills probably wont win their division, either. I think as long as Stafford and the Rams finish strong, he’ll win it.

    It would be nice if Myles Garrett sacked Josh about ten times.

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    #160469
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    i’m still holding out hope that the rams can win the division.

    both for stafford’s chances at winning mvp and the rams’ chances at winning the superbowl.

    i could see maye winning mvp if the rams don’t win the division.

    #160483
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    Stafford shouldn’t win MVP because he has Nacua and McVay. Others do it with less.

    Nacua shouldn’t win Offensive Player of the Year because he has Stafford and McVay. Others do it with less.

    McVay shouldn’t win Coach of the Year because he has Stafford and Nacua.

    Rams just have too many individuals who are excellent at what they do to win any awards for excellence.

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    from Tom Pelissero, NFL GMs, other executives vote on 2025 season awards: Who wins MVP? Coach of the Year?https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-gms-other-executives-vote-on-2025-season-awards-who-wins-mvp-coach-of-the-year

    My annual early awards survey was completed this week by high-ranking executives from 30 NFL teams, including 21 general managers. All 30 individuals participated on the condition of anonymity for competitive reasons and to provide an honest assessment.

    Who are the big winners in seven notable categories? Here’s a rundown, with help from statistics compiled by NFL Media researcher Ben Peake.

    Most Valuable Player:
    Matthew Stafford

    Stafford outdistanced the field with 18 votes as he closes out perhaps the best season of his illustrious career. At age 37, Stafford leads the NFL in passing yards (4,179), touchdown passes (40) and passer rating (112.1) for the 11-4 Rams. He has thrown just five interceptions — the type of ratio that helped Aaron Rodgers win four MVPs in Green Bay. Stafford’s passer rating of 132.0 on deep throws (20-plus air yards) and 127.9 against the blitz are both best in the NFL. And he’s gotten even hotter down the stretch, throwing at least two passing touchdowns in nine straight games — a Rams record and the longest such streak in his career.

    Patriots quarterback Drake Maye was the runner-up with five votes. Still just 23 years old and in his second NFL season, Maye leads the NFL with a 70.9% completion percentage — topping Tom Brady’s franchise-record 68.9% in 2007 — and would be the youngest player ever to the lead the NFL in that category. (Joe Montana was 24 when he completed 64.5% of his passes in 1980.) Along with the arrival of head coach Mike Vrabel, Maye’s growth is a big reason the Patriots have made the biggest jump in total wins from last season (4-13 in 2024 to 12-3 with two games to go this season).

    Bills quarterback Josh Allen, the reigning AP NFL MVP, got four votes. Browns defensive end Myles Garrett got two. Chargers quarterback Justin Herbert received one.

    #160543
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    At age 37, Stafford leads the NFL in passing yards (4,179), touchdown passes (40) and passer rating (112.1) for the 11-4 Rams.

    yeah. if he can lead in all three categories at the end of the season, then yes, he could win mvp without winning the division. that would be a stratosphere few qbs have ever achieved.

    i still prefer they win the division of course for postseason purposes.

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    Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTST
    Rams QB Matthew Stafford has eight INTs this season.

    With 3 TDs vs. ARI, he can become the 3rd player in NFL history with 45 TD passes and fewer than 10 INTs in a season.

    Other two: Tom Brady (2007) and Aaron Rodgers (2011 & 2020).

    Brady and Rodgers won MVP.

    #160696
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    Some things Maye has an edge on, fwiw:

    Passer Rating:

    D.Maye 112.9
    Stafford 108.8

    QBR – Maye 76, Stafford 70

    Completion Percentage:
    Maye 71.7
    Stafford 65.2

    Rushing TDs: Maye 4, Stafford 0

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    Kurt Warner@kurt13warner
    I’ve stated a lot of my thoughts on NFL MVP this week & no award is a perfect process, BUT those that are claiming that IF a QB who has 42 TD passes, led team to 11/12 wins in toughest division in football (even though they didn’t win it), has a QB Rating of 108 & passes for 2nd most yrds in NFL wins MVP it’s simply a lifetime achievement award should not speak on football anymore!!

    Matthew Stafford = Deserving
    Drake Maye = Deserving
    CMC = Deserving
    Myles Garrett = Deserving
    JSN = Deserving of recognition for season
    Bijan = Deserving of recognition for season

    … and I’ve probably missed someone else!

    #160751
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    Good to see McCaffrey have a bad final game. 23 rushing. 34 receiving. And a huge redzone pass bouncing off him for an INT.

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    #160776
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    very close to getting the triple crown. finishes second in passer rating i think but first in yards and touchdowns.

    that’s a bummer. i’m thinking now he’s got an outside shot. we’ll see.

    #160777
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    very close to getting the triple crown. finishes second in passer rating i think but first in yards and touchdowns.

    that’s a bummer. i’m thinking now he’s got an outside shot. we’ll see.

    I thought Dak had the most yards, but i could be wrong. I know its close.

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    #160779
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    I thought Dak had the most yards, but i could be wrong. I know its close.

    dak only had 70 yards today to stafford’s 200 plus yards. he had a 34 yard lead going into this weekend. i think.

    i don’t know if dak got injured, but they pulled him.

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    #160783
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    he may still win it.

    it sucks though if he doesn’t. had the misfortune of playing in the nfc west. any other division in the nfc and the rams win it. the three best records in the nfc all belong in that division, so that should be taken into consideration.

    bad losses really hurt this team. obvious but just the way that they were lost was especially hurtful. seattle one hurt the most.

    the way brady describes it it seems he thinks stafford should win based on seniority. i don’t agree with that. vote for him because you thought he was the mvp this year. not because you think maye has to wait his turn.

    #160784
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    he may still win it….

    the way brady describes it it seems he thinks stafford should win based on seniority. i don’t agree with that. vote for him because you thought he was the mvp this year. not because you think maye has to wait his turn.

    Well, I think Brady highlighted the TDs before he mentioned the fact Maye still has a lot of years to win it.

    Honestly though, ‘politics’ is a factor when things are real close. Its a mental thing that can tip the balance when things are virtually even. (happens in jury trials all the time 🙂

    If voters think Maye and Stafford both have great arguments, ‘something’ has to tip the balance — and for some voters it will Stafford’s age and stature and lifetime achievement versus Maye’s youth, and of course the schedules. I also think more than a few voters just dont like the Patriots 🙂

    Its all in the mix.

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    #160786
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    Saw a graphic on a vid:

    Four times in the past, Quarterbacks have had over 45 TDs and under 10 INTs.

    Brady in 2007
    Rogers in 2011
    Rogers in 2020
    Stafford in 2025

    The first three all won the MVP.

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    #160787
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    I think strength of schedule gives the edge to Stafford over Maye, and don’t forget that Stafford put up 457 yards and 3 TDs on Seattle. He did not play as well the final month, but he was “lights out” before that. I dunno. I hope he wins, but I don’t really care that much. I care for him, I guess. He is an all-time great, and he ought to have some more recognition for that.

    #160791
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    Honestly though, ‘politics’ is a factor when things are real close. Its a mental thing that can tip the balance when things are virtually even. (happens in jury trials all the time

    for sure whether we agree with it or not.

    i think strength of schedule as well as the division the rams played in should play a factor. i mean la, seattle, and sf all finishing with the records they did is just ridiculous.

    #160792
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    Honestly though, ‘politics’ is a factor when things are real close. Its a mental thing that can tip the balance when things are virtually even. (happens in jury trials all the time

    for sure whether we agree with it or not.

    i think strength of schedule as well as the division the rams played in should play a factor. i mean la, seattle, and sf all finishing with the records they did is just ridiculous.

    Yeah, for me the schedule is the decisive factor. (but then I’m a ram fan).
    Playing the Texan, and Eagle defense. And the Seahawk defense twice. Thats four top defenses on four good teams. Drake has not played a single good defense belonging to a good team. He did play the Browns defense, but the Browns are a three-win team.

    I think Stafford will win it. I think he barely nudged ahead today.

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    Adam Schein@AdamSchein
    Matthew Stafford: 2nd QB in past 50 seasons to lead NFL in passing yards, passing TD & TD-INT ratio.

    The other? 2007 Tom Brady.

    Truly special season from Rams QB. 46 TDs, 4707 passing yards against incredibly tough schedule. Totally dominant. Best QB in NFL in 2025.

    J.B. Long@JB_Long
    The argument “but he’s the 5-seed” is completely understandable. Team success should matter.

    However, the counterargument is so much stronger: LA’s runner-up finish in the NFC West is far outweighed by earning the 2nd-best point differential in the NFL (+172) & doing so against the strongest schedule of any playoff team.

    Benjamin Allbright@AllbrightNFL
    if I had to guess, based on asking around… I would say Mike Vrabel gets coach of the year and Matt Stafford MVP

    #160858
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    Matthew Stafford makes final MVP push to cap off a regular season that saved his joy

    Nate Atkins

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6940884/2026/01/05/rams-matthew-stafford-mvp-case/?source=emp_shared_article

    INGLEWOOD, Calif. — The final regular-season game of Matthew Stafford’s 17th NFL season wasn’t going according to plan.

    In a get-right opportunity at SoFi Stadium against an Arizona Cardinals team on an eight-game losing streak, the Los Angeles Rams had every intention of playing their starters, returning to their offensive baseline — and perhaps something more for their leader along the way.

    But through nearly three quarters, Stafford was sailing downfield passes that didn’t land, playing in long down-and-distance situations and watching the ball slip through his tight ends’ hands. But when it culminated in a four-point deficit, Stafford did what he’s done so much in a season he didn’t quite see coming.

    He dialed in. And everyone else followed.

    Stafford went back to those tight ends time and again, right as the run game was finally finding life against a tired Cardinals defense. On four throws, he hit star receiver Puka Nacua for 9 yards, running back Blake Corum for 10 yards and then found those tight ends again — 21 yards to Tyler Higbee up the seam and 21 yards to Colby Parkinson on play action as he drifted backward with a rusher in his face and lofted a ball that Parkinson ran under in stride before barreling into the end zone.

    Then he did it again, and again. All of a sudden, Stafford turned a four-point deficit into three long drives capped by touchdown passes to tight ends. The final one was a sidearm shot to Parkinson from a yard out, marking the last throw of an immaculate regular-season campaign he never knew would get off the ground. That throw, too, was the final statement in the race for one honor this history-chasing quarterback has yet to chase down.

    In the end, Stafford was 25-of-40 passing for 259 yards and four touchdowns as the Rams secured a 37-20 victory over the Cardinals to lock up the No. 5 seed in the NFC and set up a wild-card matchup with the Carolina Panthers on Saturday.

    “I think Matthew’s the MVP of the league,” Rams coach Sean McVay said. “He played that way. I wouldn’t want anybody else leading the way. I’ve got a lot of respect for a bunch of people in this league, but there’s nobody I’d rather have be the quarterback of the LA Rams than Matthew Stafford. His play speaks for itself.”

    This has been the giant elephant in the room of the Rams’ season since it started. Ever since he showed up after weeks of not throwing while in a hyperbaric chamber to manage a degenerative back issue at 37 years old, only to lead a victory over an elite Houston Texans defense in Week 1, the potential has simmered for a Stafford season that has never happened before.

    It would take something special to achieve, given that he was already pushing top-10 all time in every major career passing statistic, had a 5,000-yard season and multiple 40-touchdown years under his belt, and a Super Bowl ring sitting at home.

    But never had Stafford had the mix of high-volume production with superb ball security and efficiency that was long the separator between players such as Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes, and the rest of the good quarterbacks like him. To achieve it at this point in his career, with less mobility than he’s ever had and a back that couldn’t risk a vicious hit, was going to take something remarkable. Something new.

    “Make it to Week 1,” Stafford said of his goals this season. “Just hoping I did that. We got there, and we just held on for dear life.”

    This season, McVay and offensive coordinator Mike LaFleur have thrown so much of their energy into finding ways to keep their quarterback upright and his arm as powerful and confident as it’s always been. That’s why they planned on a soft training camp for him after last season ended, even with a new star receiver to break into the offense in Davante Adams.

    It led them to tinker with two-tight-end sets for the first time, then expand it to three-tight-end sets. It’s why Kyren Williams outsnapped Blake Corum so much early in the season to ensure elite blitz pickup. It’s why they re-signed Williams in the offseason and drafted Corum in 2024 to balance the offense, and why they put Rob Havenstein on injured reserve and handed the right tackle job to Warren McClendon Jr. once he proved to be the most healthy and stable pass protector.

    Those protective measures, combined with the complementary strengths of Williams and Corum, the addition of Adams as a red zone cheat code and the manipulative forces of 13-personnel, have created a setting of comfort, balance and control that Stafford has never enjoyed before. And in some ways, none of this is really all that surprising to the ones who see it from the inside.

    “I’ve never seen anything that is anything but great from Matthew,” Williams said. “For me to be able to see the results and the things that happen because of that work, it gives me the confidence that my work will pay off the way his is.”

    But that doesn’t steal from the joy it’s become to watch. As Stafford has climbed the career passing charts — he’s now seventh all time with 420 touchdown passes and sixth all time with 64,516 passing yards — he’s also compiled the highlights, from no-look touchdowns to deep passes after a reset under pressure to big-time performances against the Seattle Seahawks and San Francisco on national TV.

    “Stafford, I think he’s the freaking goat,” defensive end Jared Verse said. “I’ve never been around a player who can do all the things he can do. … He’s one of the best players to ever live. It’s an award that he should get.”

    Stafford has to hope that his latest moment on prime time didn’t set his season-long case back more than he can overcome. That came in Atlanta, where he threw three interceptions, including a pick six, as the Rams fell 27-24 to the Falcons in Week 17 and were then eliminated from contention in the NFC West.

    Not since Adrian Peterson in 2012 has an MVP represented a team that wasn’t a division champion. That will be New England Patriots quarterback Drake Maye’s case, along with 450 rushing yards and four scores and better underlying efficiency as the NFL’s leader in completion percentage. But Maye has also thrown 15 fewer touchdowns and played in a division and schedule inherently different from those in the NFC West, which features three teams with at least 12 wins.

    Entering the final week, the Rams boasted the NFL’s No. 1 strength of schedule, and the Patriots ranked 32nd. Stafford has won four games over teams with at least 11 wins, whereas Maye has defeated just one team that has a winning record, the Buffalo Bills.

    Stafford closes the regular season leading the league with 46 touchdown passes and 4,707 passing yards, all while throwing just eight interceptions.

    “I know there’s a lot of media hype for Drake and a lot of people pushing it, but there’s nobody who can lead a team like Matt does,” defensive end Kobie Turner said. “There’s nobody who can make those plays in the clutch moments like Matt does. … He 1,000 percent deserves it. It’s not an ‘I think.’ Drake Maye has had a really solid year as well, but no question about it, Matt deserves it.”

    Whether this season brings an MVP trophy for Stafford or he falls just short, whether it manifests in a return to the Super Bowl or not, it serves a purpose beyond the production. After weeks in the hyperbaric chamber, Stafford emerged as the best version he’s ever been. His age and experience have become his weapon, not his downfall, and the joy he’s discovered with each no-look pass, play-action fake and deep shot up the sideline has restored something that he never wants to let go.

    “I love playing this game,” Stafford said. “I don’t take any of these opportunities to play on a Sunday for granted. … Luckily, we have some more times to do that.”

    Reaching the playoffs isn’t just an expectation for a team with the track record of this one. It’s also a way to keep the flame burning in No. 9.

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    #160889
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    “I love playing this game,” Stafford said. “I don’t take any of these opportunities to play on a Sunday for granted. … Luckily, we have some more times to do that.”

    i hope he continues to play for a long time. at least three more seasons. if i had my druthers, he’d play five more seasons.

    #160894
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    Chris Broussard’s is not one of the 50 official voters, but here’s his vote:

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    The AP selects a nationwide panel of sportswriters and broadcasters whose main beat is the NFL. The full list of voters isn’t published until the awards are announced each year.
    Notable AP Voters

    Tom Brady, Fox Sports analyst and seven-time Super Bowl champion.
    Cris Collinsworth, NBC Sports broadcaster and former wide receiver.
    Tony Dungy, NBC Sports analyst and Super Bowl-winning former head coach.
    Mina Kimes, NFL analyst for ESPN.
    Peter King, long-time NFL writer formerly with NBC Sports.
    Mike Florio, creator of ProFootballTalk on NBC Sports.
    Adam Schein, host on Showtime and CBS Sports.
    Charean Williams, NFL writer for ProFootballTalk.
    Rich Gannon, former NFL MVP and SiriusXM analyst.
    Laura Okmin, reporter and analyst for Fox Sports.

    #160905
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    PFF Awards 2025: Matthew Stafford is the PFF MVP

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-awards-2025-matthew-stafford-is-the-pff-mvp?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dhtwitter&utm_content=null

    Los Angeles Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford certainly isn’t playing like he is in the twilight phase of his career. In fact, he is well deserving of the NFL’s Most Valuable Player Award for the 2025 season.

    The most valuable player in the NFL: The 37-year-old quarterback enters the postseason leading the NFL in PFF passing grade (93.3), the highest mark of his career. He also led the league in Wins Above Replacement (4.11), more than half a win clear of any other player.

    Stafford’s production and ability to push the ball downfield are his greatest strengths. Despite being 37 years old, he still has as much arm talent as any player in the NFL. His 46 touchdown passes are the most in a regular season since Aaron Rodgers threw 48 in 2020, while his 47 big-time throws are the most in a regular season since Patrick Mahomes recorded 48 in 2018.

    Armed with a dynamic receiver duo in Puka Nacua and Davante Adams, Stafford is not afraid to challenge defenses in any area of the field. His 9.5-yard average depth of target is tied for the fourth-highest in the NFL alongside fellow MVP contender Drake Maye, among multiple others.

    Stafford led the NFL in PFF passing grade on 10-plus-yard throws (99.0) this season, and that mark ranks as the third-best PFF has ever recorded on such throws in a single season. Only Tom Brady in 2016 (99.9) and Aaron Rodgers in 2020 (99.4) have finished higher.

    Stafford has also been able to produce at such a high level while taking care of the football. He’s thrown just eight interceptions this season while maintaining a solid 2.9% turnover-worthy play rate. He threw multiple interceptions in just two of the Rams’ 17 games this season.

    Lastly, Stafford has produced at a high level against some of the NFL’s best defenses this season. In six games against defenses currently ranked in the top 10 in PFF grade, he recorded a PFF passing grade of 90.0 while throwing 15 touchdowns compared to two interceptions, generating 19 big-time throws and five turnover-worthy plays.

    Stafford is playing the best football of his career as he enters the postseason in pursuit of his second Super Bowl title. His regular-season performance has earned him strong consideration for NFL Most Valuable Player honors, and if he sustains that level of play, a championship is well within reach.

    #160908
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    to add onto the previous post with a graphic.

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