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February 8, 2026 at 3:32 am #162059
znModeratorYeah, inside the 5 yard line shouldn’t count.
Because all QBs throw for 18 of those every year. It’s like the starting point.
I actually encountered a Patz homer in twitter who was fighting in the MVP wars, who said that with all those short redzone TD passes, all Stafford did was dink and dunk. I did reply to others with that argument that Stafford also led the league in 20+ yard TDs. What I wanted to say and didn’t was that there are simply not a lot of qbs in NFL history who did not dink and dunk when throwing within 5 yards or less of the endzone. They could throw it long but if they did they would have to worry about hitting some fan in the stands with the ball.
February 8, 2026 at 7:34 am #162060
wvParticipantOn the idea that short TD-passes dont count as much — I watched a video a while back where Ray Lewis was talking about the game when the Ravens beat the 49ers in the Super Bowl. He pointed out that in film study he realized Colin K, was lousy at throwing the fade. So the Ravens D adjusted accordingly. Point is, not every QB can feather the ball accurately on those redzone fades. Turns out Stafford has a great feel for those kind of throws. He makes it LOOK easy. But its not.
The idea Maye was ‘robbed’ is silly. There’s a reason the vote was so close. There’s plenty of stats in favor of Maye and plenty in favor of Stafford. Its a bit like Faulk vs Warner. It can be argued forever. But no-one was ‘robbed’ either way.
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vFebruary 8, 2026 at 7:47 am #162061wvParticipantIn 99 I was unsure about the Rams because of the cupcake schedule. They ended up proving to be a legit-great team.
Like a LOT of people I’m still unsure about the Pats. Normally if a team wins three playoff games it proves a lot — but the Pats have had this weird road. They had a total cupcake regular season. Then they got the Chargers who had an injury-ravaged lame offense and faced an injured-bulgerized Herbert. Then they got the texans who had a terrible offense and the QB had a historic meltdown the likes of which i have never seen. Then of course they got the Broncos who had a back-up QB and the Broncos still almost won.
So just how good are the Pats? I dunno. I have never been this unsure about a team at this late stage. Maybe they are great, maybe they are just ‘good’ and lucky. I dunno. Seattle is the first real test for them in my opinion. The first ‘complete’ team they will face. So, we will see.
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vFebruary 8, 2026 at 11:00 am #162064znModeratorIn 99 I was unsure about the Rams because of the cupcake schedule. They ended up proving to be a legit-great team.
One of my favorite moments from 99 has been talked about before but there’s never too much of a good thing.
When the Vikings playoff game was coming, we all remember how the blue board got flooded by Vikings fans on a flame war mission. One repeated flame line was that the Rams hadn’t played anyone, and that Minnesota was the real team.
Then when the game came, and after the 3rd quarter explosion of 21 points (Horne, Faulk, Jeff Robinson) the broadcast showed a guy in the St. Louis crowd with a sign that read “we still haven’t played anyone.”
I don’t see this Patz team has having the advantages that Rams team had. They have a qb and 1 receiver in Diggs, and the rest is just efficient weapons. It’s not Warner, Bruce, Holt, and Faulk.
The Patz chance in this game turns on being a defense that can disrupt Darnold’s rhythm. If they can make Darnold sputter, they could win it.
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February 8, 2026 at 3:51 pm #162067wvParticipantThe Patz chance in this game turns on being a defense that can disrupt Darnold’s rhythm. If they can make Darnold sputter, they could win it.
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Yup.
Darnold has a chance at a Warner-like story-book ending. Or…maybe he turns to a pumpkin. We shall see.
Either way, I would avoid Malcolm Butler if i were Darnold.
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vFebruary 8, 2026 at 10:26 pm #162078znModeratorME: there were all posted in the superbowl game thread but I put them here too, so they’re in 2 places. Just people during the game saying in twitter that Stafford deserved the MVP, in spite of the complaints from some.
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Eric Weddle@weddlesbeard
Staff vs Seahawks looks a bit different than Maye. We know what were talking about when it comes to MVP and levels to QB play.HoldenCantor@HoldenCantor
Matthew Stafford threw for 8 touchdowns 0 interceptions and 961 yards against this Seahawks defense. Shoutout to the MVP voters that voted StaffordColin Cowherd@colincowherd
Just a reminder. Matt Stafford IN SEATTLE vs this defense two weeks ago. 22 x 35. 374 yards. Three touchdowns.Nate Atkins@NateAtkins_
Still amazing to think Matthew Stafford had 8 TDs and 0 turnovers on this Seahawks defense in his last two matchups, both in Seattle.He’s the MVP for reasons beyond that, but those games were the highlights.
Rams-Seahawks felt like the real Super Bowl at the time and feels that way tonight, too.
Football Scout 365@DraftAnalyst365
There are levels, and while Drake Maye is talented, he’s nowhere near the level of decision-making you see from Matthew Stafford. That doesn’t mean Maye is any less important to the Patriots, but more of his offensive output has to be manufactured through play calling.Stafford is essentially another OC on the field, making checks and changing protections.
That’s a big reason why the Rams marched up and down the field vs. the Seahawks.
Richard Sherman@RSherman_25
So when the MVP arguments are had. This tape should end that discussion. Stafford put on a master class against this same defense that Maye has 18 yards against currently with 7:34 left in the 3rd Q.He has had a great season and will have an MVP in his future but it was Stafford year.
February 8, 2026 at 11:22 pm #162081znModeratorMatthew Stafford in 3 games vs. this Seahawks defense:
961 yards
8 TDs
0 turnovers
110.8 ratingImagine voting for Drake Maye or Justin Herbert for MVP over Matthew Stafford.
— Doug McKain (@DMAC_LA) February 9, 2026
February 9, 2026 at 8:54 am #162089znModeratorJust people during the game saying in twitter that Stafford deserved the MVP, in spite of the complaints from some.
And more of that.
JimEverett@Jimeverett
The REAL Bowl was the NFC Championship. The more I see the Seahawk D, the more ♥️ for MVP Stafford/Rams O success against them.The league MVP voting, IMHO, is the latest example of the eastern US bias in the NFL. Specifically, West Coast teams receive way less media coverage from the NY entity.
The selection was way too close but should’ve never been so if one witnessed Stafford’s play.
Drew Davenport@DrewDavenportFF
So some still think the schedule for Drake Maye wasn’t important in the MVP conversation or….Matthew Stafford threw for 831 yards against Seattle in his last two games against them.
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from https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/onsi/the-closeness-of-rams-matthew-stafford-s-mvp-win-was-foolish
The win caused immense debate and while some argued Maye deserved to win, there was always a question on if Maye’s value could translate to success against top defenses, something Stafford proved he could pull off. On Sunday night, during Super Bowl LX, we found out answer. The margin of victory was foolish and the voters almost robbed Stafford of one of the most deserved MVPs in NFL history.
… If Maye won the MVP and did what he did on Sunday night, the award would lose all credibility. Against the same defense, two weeks apart, Stafford ripped them apart while Maye struggled to get a first down.
February 9, 2026 at 1:02 pm #162095znModeratorJohn Frascella (Football)@NFLFrascella
With that – unimpressive? – NFL season over, here are my Updated Quarterback POWER RANKINGS considering this year, the last couple years, and the future:Tier 1:
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Patrick MahomesTier 2:
3. Josh Allen
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Joe Burrow
6. Sam DarnoldTier 3:
(Everyone is VERY close, here)
7. Jordan Love
8. Caleb Williams
9. Bo Nix
10. Brock Purdy
11. Dak Prescott
12. Drake Maye
13. Jalen Hurts
14. Trevor Lawrence
15. Jared Goff
16. Baker Mayfield
17. Justin Herbert
18. Aaron Rodgers
19. Bryce Young
20. Daniel Jones
21. Jayden DanielsTier 4:
22. Tyler Shough
23. Kyler Murray
24. Malik Willis
25. Jaxson Dart
26. Mac Jones
27. Cam WardTier 5:
28. Joe Flacco
29. Kirk Cousins
30. Jacoby BrissettTier 6:
(These guys are also VERY close)
31. CJ Stroud
32. Jameis Winston
33. Davis Mills
34. Shedeur Sanders
35. Marcus Mariota
36. Spencer Rattler
37. Tua Tagovailoa
38. Geno Smith
39. Michael PenixTier 7:
40. Russell Wilson
41. Mitchell Trubisky
42. Joe Milton
43. Tanner McKee
44. Tyson BagentTier 8:
45. Anthony Richardson
46. Drew Lock
47. Quinn Ewers
48. JJ McCarthy
49. Josh Dobbs
50. Dillon GabrielFebruary 9, 2026 at 2:03 pm #162097znModerator"I'm watching Stafford against this Seahawks defense and he looks like Lewis Hamilton. Drake Maye yesterday looked like a student driver. He was completely overwhelmed."@colincowherd thinks it's clear the moment was too big for the young Patriots QB pic.twitter.com/tvVQmAEZZg
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) February 9, 2026
February 9, 2026 at 5:20 pm #162099
InvaderRamModeratori’m still a little taken aback that mina kimes voted for maye. i think it was close, but i woulda thought she woulda voted for stafford.
February 9, 2026 at 6:38 pm #162100wvParticipanti’m still a little taken aback that mina kimes voted for maye. i think it was close, but i woulda thought she woulda voted for stafford.
One of the stats that pointed toward Maye was common opponents. Pats were 6-0 and Rams were 4-2. I think the QB stats in those 6 games favored Maye.
I also think what Maye can do with his legs was a significant point in his favor.It was close.
Mina did say she would not have voted for Maye if the Charger, Texans, and Bronco games were included.
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vFebruary 9, 2026 at 6:42 pm #162101InvaderRamModeratorI also think what Maye can do with his legs was a significant point in his favor.
i wish stafford could run a little bit more. it’s painful watching him try to scramble.
February 9, 2026 at 6:59 pm #162103
ZooeyModeratorJohn Frascella (Football)@NFLFrascella
With that – unimpressive? – NFL season over, here are my Updated Quarterback POWER RANKINGS considering this year, the last couple years, and the future:Tier 1:
1. Matthew Stafford
2. Patrick MahomesTier 2:
3. Josh Allen
4. Lamar Jackson
5. Joe Burrow
6. Sam DarnoldTier 3:
(Everyone is VERY close, here)
7. Jordan Love
8. Caleb Williams
9. Bo Nix
10. Brock Purdy
11. Dak Prescott
12. Drake Maye
13. Jalen Hurts
14. Trevor Lawrence
15. Jared Goff
16. Baker Mayfield
17. Justin Herbert
18. Aaron Rodgers
19. Bryce Young
20. Daniel Jones
21. Jayden DanielsTier 4:
22. Tyler Shough
23. Kyler Murray
24. Malik Willis
25. Jaxson Dart
26. Mac Jones
27. Cam WardTier 5:
28. Joe Flacco
29. Kirk Cousins
30. Jacoby BrissettTier 6:
(These guys are also VERY close)
31. CJ Stroud
32. Jameis Winston
33. Davis Mills
34. Shedeur Sanders
35. Marcus Mariota
36. Spencer Rattler
37. Tua Tagovailoa
38. Geno Smith
39. Michael PenixTier 7:
40. Russell Wilson
41. Mitchell Trubisky
42. Joe Milton
43. Tanner McKee
44. Tyson BagentTier 8:
45. Anthony Richardson
46. Drew Lock
47. Quinn Ewers
48. JJ McCarthy
49. Josh Dobbs
50. Dillon GabrielGarappolo isn’t listed.
I would put him in Tier 5 or 6, and I’m not sure I’m comfortable dropping CJ Stroud that far, though I dunno. I don’t watch the Oilers, but he was highly thought of a few seconds ago.
February 9, 2026 at 8:09 pm #162105znModeratorOne of the stats that pointed toward Maye was common opponents. Pats were 6-0 and Rams were 4-2. I think the QB stats in those 6 games favored Maye.
I also think what Maye can do with his legs was a significant point in his favor.Stafford was better and more deserving. The little statistical counterarguments don’t persuade me a bit. I’m with Jim Everett, who says that east coast analysts and sports guys tend to watch east coast teams and they just didn’t see the Rams that much.
As for opponents the 2 teams did not have in common, they were better teams on the Rams side and weaker ones on the Patz side. Stafford faced tests and passed, Maye didn’t and coasted.
I honestly believe there was no good argument for Maye being that close to Stafford in the voting.
February 9, 2026 at 10:21 pm #162107ZooeyModeratorOne of the stats that pointed toward Maye was common opponents. Pats were 6-0 and Rams were 4-2. I think the QB stats in those 6 games favored Maye.
I also think what Maye can do with his legs was a significant point in his favor.Stafford was better and more deserving. The little statistical counterarguments don’t persuade me a bit. I’m with Jim Everett, who says that east coast analysts and sports guys tend to watch east coast teams and they just didn’t see the Rams that much.
As for opponents the 2 teams did not have in common, they were better teams on the Rams side and weaker ones on the Patz side. Stafford faced tests and passed, Maye didn’t and coasted.
I honestly believe there was no good argument for Maye being that close to Stafford in the voting.
If Stafford and Maye were on the same team, Stafford would be the starter, and Maye would be the backup.
Next!…
February 10, 2026 at 8:31 am #162108InvaderRamModeratorI honestly believe there was no good argument for Maye being that close to Stafford in the voting.
i do think it was close. maybe not quite that close.
i’m honestly just surprised that kimes chose maye. i thought her west coast bias and slight rams affiliation would sway her towards stafford.
i think her seahawks bias won out in the end! ha!
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February 10, 2026 at 9:38 am #162112wvParticipantI honestly believe there was no good argument for Maye being that close to Stafford in the voting.
Yeah, well history is written by the MVPs. Or somethin.
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vFebruary 10, 2026 at 9:42 am #162113wvParticipantIf Stafford and Maye were on the same team, Stafford would be the starter, and Maye would be the backup.
Next!…
…i now have this image of Stafford trying to teach Drake no-look passes. “No, No, Drake you have to look the ‘other’ way…”
I guess we are gonna get one more year of Matt Stafford.
And then the dark ages start. Probly 18 straight losses to the 49ers.
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vFebruary 10, 2026 at 9:57 am #162114znModeratorIf Stafford and Maye were on the same team, Stafford would be the starter, and Maye would be the backup.
roberto clemente@rclemente2121
in case there was any doubt…vs the top 10 pass defenses
(passer rating allowed):stafford:
19 tds, 1 int, 111.3 passer rating
26.7 offensive pts per game avgmaye:
6 tds, 5 int, 82.9 passer rating
19.0 offensive pts per game avg* includes postseason
February 14, 2026 at 12:51 pm #162170ZooeyModeratorBoston Ball IQ@BostonBallIQ
honestly Maye got robbed….46 TDs? But no one points out how 18 came within the 5 yard line…
Also…btw…Stafford’s 1-yard TD pass to Adams in the 4th quarter against JAX traveled 25.3 yards in the air.
People are just extraordinarily good at bias assimilation.
February 22, 2026 at 11:44 am #162279InvaderRamModeratorstafford big time throws vs the field.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LosAngelesRams/s/26ADLSkwNt
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February 22, 2026 at 11:58 am #162281InvaderRamModeratorAlso…btw…Stafford’s 1-yard TD pass to Adams in the 4th quarter against JAX traveled 25.3 yards in the air.
People are just extraordinarily good at bias assimilation.
also. i don’t know about inside the 5 but inside the 10.
stafford
58 attempts 27 tds 95.8 ratingmaye
38 attempts 14 tds 76.1 ratingso maye had chances. just didn’t perform as well.
February 22, 2026 at 12:00 pm #162282znModeratorBoston Ball IQ@BostonBallIQ
honestly Maye got robbed….46 TDs? But no one points out how 18 came within the 5 yard line…
Also…btw…Stafford’s 1-yard TD pass to Adams in the 4th quarter against JAX traveled 25.3 yards in the air.
People are just extraordinarily good at bias assimilation.
Plus there’s the fact, which I think was already mentioned, that Stafford had 30 passes inside the 5 w/ 63.3% completions, 19 TDs, O INTs. No one else has numbers like that inside the 5. Incidentally, Maye had 25 passes inside the 5 w/ 44% completions, 10 TDs, and 2 INTs.
Added to that is the also-already-posted-somewhere fact that Stafford led the league in TDs on 20+ yard passes, so it wasn’t all inside the 5.
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stafford big time throws vs the field.
from the same reddit link
Big-Time Throw: Passes with excellent ball location and timing, generally thrown further down the field and/or into a tighter window. A grading scale is used from -2.0 to +2.0, where only passes earning a high positive score of +1.0 or better qualify. The primary metric used to compare players is the Big-Time Throw Rate, which measures these elite passes as a percentage of a quarterback’s total attempts. This system specifically rewards “optimum” ball placement and timing over simple completions, effectively isolating a quarterback’s individual talent from the rest of the offense
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