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October 31, 2016 at 5:22 pm #56452
nittany ramModeratorNovember 1, 2016 at 11:43 am #56497
NewMexicoRamParticipantAnd the same author, in the article on LGBTQ issues just below the one you tagged, warns people that Trump is probably not in favor of LBGTQ rights. Guess he didn’t watch Trump’s speech at the convention, when his announcement in favor of LGBTQ rights caused a little stir among the delegates that night. If he can’t get that right, I question his accuracy on the other.
November 1, 2016 at 1:47 pm #56510
Billy_TParticipantAnd the same author, in the article on LGBTQ issues just below the one you tagged, warns people that Trump is probably not in favor of LBGTQ rights. Guess he didn’t watch Trump’s speech at the convention, when his announcement in favor of LGBTQ rights caused a little stir among the delegates that night. If he can’t get that right, I question his accuracy on the other.
NMR,
Are you of the opinion that everything Trump says is true? Or that everything he says he’s done has actually happened? If you believe him when he makes that one mention of LGBTQ rights — and remember the strange way he pronounced the letters — do you also believe him when he says he sexually assaulted women by the score? Or that he walked in on teenage girls at beauty pageants to watch them undress? Or that he’s the king of debt, etc. etc.? Or that he doesn’t pay his taxes, his contractors, his employees?
Not saying you’re doing this, but I’ve noticed that his supporters are rather selective in what they believe coming out of his mouth. When it’s inconvenient to accept it on face value, it’s just “Oh, he doesn’t really mean that!!” When it is convenient, they believe it all without question, even though he’s never once gone into detail about any of his policies. He never, ever tells us how he would do the amazing things he promises to do.
And there is this: All independent fact-checkers have demonstrated that Trump lies more often than any other candidate for the presidency in generations. No one comes close. Trump really is the greatest when it comes to lying.
November 1, 2016 at 2:57 pm #56517NewMexicoRamParticipantBilly T,
The convention wasn’t the only time Trump has brought this issue up. There’s more reports (I saw him holding an LGBTQ flag up at one time in another news photo).
By the way, I oppose Trump on this issue.
I’m just bringing up the point that the author doesn’t have his facts correct.November 1, 2016 at 2:59 pm #56518
— X —ParticipantNot saying you’re doing this, but I’ve noticed that his supporters are rather selective in what they believe coming out of his mouth. When it’s inconvenient to accept it on face value, it’s just “Oh, he doesn’t really mean that!!” When it is convenient, they believe it all without question, even though he’s never once gone into detail about any of his policies. He never, ever tells us how he would do the amazing things he promises to do.
I believe that he believes he can achieve those things with the right staff. I believe that he’s a ‘big picture’ kind of guy who has a vision and then works tirelessly to see it to its conclusion. I also believe that he’s a misogynist, but I also believe that 90% of the men in the House and Senate are also misogynists. They just don’t get caught on tape proving it.
And he does broad-stroke the details in his policies. People are just quick to discount them as unattainable before the whole plan is even developed. He wants to build a wall, but apparently he can’t because it’s an impossible task and people are too preoccupied with laughing at how he’ll get Mexico to pay for it. He wants to destroy ISIS, but apparently it’s not going to happen because of the hyperbole he uses (knows more than the Generals). Never mind that he’ll likely hire, and let loose, all of the top military minds in the Country who have already had his ear all these months. He’s already described his tax plan, but apparently it’s just “trumped up trickle down” economics without even having seen the specifics of said plan. He’ll likely hire some of the most brilliant economists and implement his own knowledge of how the system works to iron out all the kinks. He said he’ll introduce much more competition into the health care industry, but apparently that’s a bad idea because Obamacare is such a rousing success that only needs to be built upon and tweaked. Meanwhile half of the Country is saddled with premiums they can’t even pretend to afford. Never mind that Hillary will steer this Country toward a single-payer healthcare system if she can’t succeed in making Obamacare remarkably worse than it already is. And I could go on and on and on, but apparently it doesn’t matter because it’s all to easy to discredit anything he says without having even the smallest clue as to how his experts will work to correct all of these failed policies and issues plaguing the Country. So, he does tell us how he’ll do things. The problem is that nobody believes the explanations, or they’re too busy ridiculing the very premise of them.
And again, meanwhile, everything has just been cruising along so fabulously to date.
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-- Dr SeussNovember 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm #56525Billy_TParticipantX,
Lots to tackle there.
On the wall. Trump chose to make that the focus of his campaign, early on, and I view it as fascistic. He decided to whip up fears by constantly saying “they’re pouring over the borders” which just isn’t happening. We have net negative migration from Mexico and “south of the border” overall.
It’s. Not. A. Problem.
So whether he can pay for it or not is not really the issue. It’s simply an attempt to scapegoat workers from other countries who aren’t hurting people who live here at all. We’re not losing jobs because of them. We’re losing jobs because rich shits like Trump, and American corporations in general, are shipping them overseas to stoke their profits. Our wages are going down and down because rich shits like Trump, and American corporations overall, are trying to cash in on American and foreign exploitation of ALL workers to the degree possible. And, of course, because the capitalist system bakes all of that in. It generates massive inequality, disruption and unemployment like no other economic system in history. It’s built that way.
Trump has no answer for any of that because he’s a huge exploiter of labor and the system himself. He’s made hundreds of millions — supposdly — screwing over workers, contractors and taxpayers, and he’s given us absolutely zero indication that his economic proposals would reverse that on a national scale. In fact, he’s calling for doubling down on, yes, voodoo economics. The little bit he has told us is straight out of the freshwater, Chicago School, Reagan/Thatcher, neoliberal playbook. It’s all about slashing taxes for the rich — which he and his children will personally benefit from — deregulating business beyond its already massively deregulated state, etc.. etc.
Voodoo economics has never helped anyone but the rich. It’s never worked. And it’s always led to massive debt. Reagan tripled the debt; Dubya doubled it. And Reagan, using voodoo economics, took us from a trade surplus to a massive trade deficit, and from the world’s larger creditor nation to the largest debtor nation. Dubya doubled down on that.
In short, Trump isn’t the answer. Neither is Clinton. But Trump, to me, is decidedly worse.
November 1, 2016 at 3:59 pm #56526
bnwBlockedBorder security is common sense but liberalism is a mental disorder.
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November 1, 2016 at 4:04 pm #56528Billy_TParticipantBilly T,
The convention wasn’t the only time Trump has brought this issue up. There’s more reports (I saw him holding an LGBTQ flag up at one time in another news photo).
By the way, I oppose Trump on this issue.
I’m just bringing up the point that the author doesn’t have his facts correct.But, again, you’re assuming Trump really will be good on those issues, just because he mentioned it once or twice. He doesn’t have any history of actual activism on their behalf, and has long-standing issues with racism and misogyny in his business practices. Bigotry, xenophobia and the appeal to the Alt-Right — white nationalists — have been central to his campaign. Given that he’s whipped up hate and fearmongered against racial, ethnic and religious minorities and women, I think it’s a pretty safe bet to say he’s not going to be a friend to LGBTQ folks either.
In short, to me, his article on Trump and LGBTQ issues in no ways diminishes the other one.
November 1, 2016 at 4:19 pm #56531bnwBlockedAlt right! Alt right! Alt right! The new “Cry wolf!”
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Sprinkles are for winners.
November 1, 2016 at 7:43 pm #56591NewMexicoRamParticipantBilly T,
The convention wasn’t the only time Trump has brought this issue up. There’s more reports (I saw him holding an LGBTQ flag up at one time in another news photo).
By the way, I oppose Trump on this issue.
I’m just bringing up the point that the author doesn’t have his facts correct.But, again, you’re assuming Trump really will be good on those issues, just because he mentioned it once or twice. He doesn’t have any history of actual activism on their behalf, and has long-standing issues with racism and misogyny in his business practices. Bigotry, xenophobia and the appeal to the Alt-Right — white nationalists — have been central to his campaign. Given that he’s whipped up hate and fearmongered against racial, ethnic and religious minorities and women, I think it’s a pretty safe bet to say he’s not going to be a friend to LGBTQ folks either.
In short, to me, his article on Trump and LGBTQ issues in no ways diminishes the other one.
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Appears we will just disagree on that one.
To me, that article would be the equivalent of you trying to agree with a FOX news report.
Not going to happen.November 1, 2016 at 8:01 pm #56593
TSRFParticipantbnw: I think I liked you better when you didn’t have an avatar.
NMR, what is your avatar? Is that the big, red button that should be never pushed (but the one the Donald wondered out loud why we don’t push it)?
Almost looks like the eye of a Dalek to me…
November 1, 2016 at 8:46 pm #56597nittany ramModeratorNMR, what is your avatar? Is that the big, red button that should be never pushed (but the one the Donald wondered out loud why we don’t push it)?
Almost looks like the eye of a Dalek to me…
It looks like HAL the computer from 2001, A Space Oddity.
“What are you doing, Dave?”
November 1, 2016 at 9:11 pm #56599bnwBlockedbnw: I think I liked you better when you didn’t have an avatar.
Impossible! Just wait until I’m potty trained. You should know that it took a few silver spoons won in craps to get my crossed pistols tatt.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 2, 2016 at 11:07 am #56637NewMexicoRamParticipantNMR, what is your avatar? Is that the big, red button that should be never pushed (but the one the Donald wondered out loud why we don’t push it)?
Almost looks like the eye of a Dalek to me…
It looks like HAL the computer from 2001, A Space Oddity.
“What are you doing, Dave?”
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Bingo. Computers hate me, too.
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