"if Fisher had his way Goff wouldn't play in 2016"… & other Fisher/Goff rumors

Zooey wrote:

Jeff Fisher DOES have his way. So whether Goff plays or not is 100% up to him, as far as we know.

What Silver actually said – since you have misquoted him in order to get hits and increase your revenue – is this:

“Well, I think ideally he might not play all year, if Jeff Fisher were doing what he philosophically believes is best.”

Which means that “ideally” he would have a red shirt year. But there are factors at play such as the play of Keenum, and the Rams’ record, and whatever. So he may reach the decision that he has to throw Goff in before he would like to “ideally.”

Agreed. It’s these silly blogger kids.

Here’s the actual discussion and you’re right the title of the article misrepresents what Silver says.

Silver: My source – in February, in March, in April, now – is the same source on this. The source is Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher really, really, really wanted to draft Jared Goff. That was his guy. So let’s put that one to rest first of all.

Secondly, I think the larger point is that there’s this hysteria going on because Jared Goff is not in uniform and did not play in the first game. I take issue with that whole premise as well.

We’re living in a time – beginning with ’08 and Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco – where things have changed dramatically from prior NFL history and now you are seeing a lot of top quarterback picks playing right away. Some, including the two I mentioned, have had surprising success, and others have not. And yet, we certainly have guys in the league – Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Carson Palmer – who sat and watched as top picks and it turned out to be a great pick for them.

So I reject the premise that if you draft a guy high, it’s the best thing long-term for that quarterback and for your franchise to play them right away.

I know Jeff Fisher and have known him for more than a quarter century, and I know what his philosophy is. He believes – and this is the philosophy founded on the experience with Steve McNair, who was brought along slowly and had an awesome career, and others – he believes it’s better to have these guys absorb it, take a look, get thrown in in practice a little bit and then eventually be worked into the lineup. He’s doing what he believes is best for Jared Goff and for the long-term interest of the franchise, even as it possibly quarrels with what would be best for Jeff Fisher right now – because he certainly is under pressure to produce in his first year in L.A.

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Gottlieb: Alright, So when is Goff gonna play? Best guess.

Silver: Well, I think ideally he might not play all year, if Jeff Fisher were doing what he philosophically believes is best. Now we all saw that atrocity on Monday night. If it keeps looking like that for much longer, I don’t know that they’re going to have a choice.

Fisher already feeling the heat in LA

Jim Thomas

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/thomas-fisher-already-feeling-the-heat-in-la/article_c2088436-4953-5f6b-a30c-a139a9b4cef2.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share

Jeff Fisher’s performance in St. Louis was a mere sidebar over much of the Rams’ last two seasons in the Midwest. The overwhelming storyline here was whether the team would move to Los Angeles or not.

We all know how that one turned out.

Fisher and the Rams left the humidity of St. Louis summers for the balmy breezes of the Pacific Ocean. But after a colossal dud of a season opener against San Francisco, Fisher is feeling the heat.

You can bet on anything these days, and the oddsmakers at BookMaker Sportsbook and 5Dimes Sportsbook — to name a couple — now say Fisher is the “favorite” to be the first NFL coach fired in 2016.

Which makes sense. Most NFL coaches don’t survive three consecutive losing seasons. Fisher has survived four. And season No. 5 with the Rams didn’t get off to a roaring start. The 28-0 loss to the 49ers sparked widespread speculation about Fisher’s job security.

But this is the Rams we’re talking about, an alternate universe in terms of logic. According to multiple reports, the Rams are close to a contract extension for Fisher, who has a 27-37-1 record with the team. The extension reports have been around for a while — dating all the way back to the 2015 season in St. Louis.

But there has been no official announcement by the team. And to do so after a 28-0 loss — well, as the saying goes, that wouldn’t be a good look.

“I never talk about my personal stuff or my extensions, or non-extensions or anything,” Fisher told Los Angeles media Thursday. “That’s between me and the organization.”

The team’s performance, on the other hand, is out there for everyone to see. On the HBO “Hard Knocks” series chronicling Rams training camp, Fisher chastised his team on one episode, saying he was tired of “7-9 bull-(bleep).”

Alas, the Rams’ play against a less-than-stellar 49ers team was so bad it looked more like 3-13 or 4-12 “bull-(bleep)” than the 7-9 variety.

For the most part, the Rams were off the radar during their final few seasons in St. Louis. On a national scale, nobody really noticed the team. Nobody really cared. But now the team is in Los Angeles, and this was Monday Night Football on opening weekend. A big stage.

After the game, Fisher told reporters the team wouldn’t use the relocation as an excuse, a note he has struck repeatedly during the offseason and preseason. But then in the same breath, he did just that.

“We’ve moved four times in the last seven months, OK?” Fisher said.

Again, not a good look. Despite his laid-back demeanor, it makes you wonder if Fisher is feeling the heat.

And as the Los Angeles Daily News pointed out, it’s actually only three moves: St. Louis to Oxnard (for OTAs), to Irvine (training camp), to Thousand Oaks (regular-season facility).

Adding to the craziness, former NFL wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson said on “The Stephen A. Smith Show” this week that Fisher was forced to take quarterback Jared Goff in the draft. He cited as sources “outside people and the inside people I know with the Rams.”

The NFL Network’s Mike Silver, a long-time Fisher supporter, countered by pointing out that Fisher told him long before the draft that he wanted Goff.

Goff, the No. 1 overall pick in the draft last spring, was the Rams’ No. 3 quarterback against San Francisco, and as such was on their pregame inactive list. As of Thursday, Fisher was noncommittal on whether Goff would be inactive in the Rams’ home opener against Seattle.

nittany ram wrote:

zn wrote:

Agreed. It’s these silly blogger kids.

I like TurfshowTimes but I don’t post everything they write. I try to find the more newsy articles – those in which players, coaches and reporters are quoted instead of the emotional rants.

zn wrote:

Here’s the actual discussion and you’re right the title of the article misrepresents what Silver says.

As I explained to zooey above, I inadvertently misquoted the headline.

Well I was too lazy to look at the title of the original and just assumed. So I perpetuated this sordid little misunderstanding. I too am responsible for any collateral damage and/or body count that results.

Thanks for posting stuff NR, it’s always appreciated.

zn wrote:

Agreed. It’s these silly blogger kids.

Hey. I write for TST on occasion.
You watch yourself, mister.

zn wrote:

But you read this stuff around on the net. How much of it measures up?

And I would say certainly some does, but then, you have to be selective.

Not much of it is any good. And, honestly, some of the guys who write for TST are totally jaded to the point that they have lost almost all objectivity. The ‘realist’ attitude has permeated most of the independent internet ‘news’ sites, and I don’t pay much attention to any of them anymore. There are a good amount of fans on message boards who do a lot more studying of the games via NFL Rewind, and some of them have past experiences as players or even coaches. Others do a diligent job of keeping track of quotes and timelines as well. Those are the guys I pay attention to. You being one of them. I only write for them when I wanna turn an obscure quote by a reporter or coach into an allegory of sorts.

zn wrote:

I just saw this, basically. Good response and thank you for the compliment.

I just saw your post at ROD where you compare the long passes by Keenum in 2013 to Rodgers.

Where does this Keenum can’t/doesn’t throw long stuff come from?

He does it right in front of every Rams fan who watches games, but then 6 seconds later some forget it happened.

yeah but i suspect those passes are only possible because defenses do not respect him at all.

the rams ultimately need a qb who defenses actually have to respect.

of course i could be completely wrong and have not enough knowledge of football to back this up with actual evidence… haha!

i’ve seen the highlights. i’ve also read articles saying that defenses are daring him to throw.

what that tells me is defenses are willing to give that up if it means they can contain the running game. cuz they figure keenum can’t hurt them.

and so far the rams offense is being contained.

now there could be many reasons for this. one being the receivers. another being pass protection. and another being keenum.

i don’t see the problem in saying that. if defenses are daring him to throw it and he’s doing minimal damage then the defense is doing its job.

again. there could be many reasons for that but one significant reason i’m guessing is keenum.

and i like keenum. he’s a battle, but saying he’s limited. there’s nothing wrong with that.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 1 month ago by InvaderRam.

well in the larger sense he hasn’t hurt them. cuz they have 3 fgs in 2 games.

now i also realize this is only 2 games so far. and against at least one very good defense in seattle. and with not the strongest wr corps.

so we’ll have to keep watching and see how things unfold. case had a very efficient game against what is probably a top 5 defense. he did catch the defense a couple times deep. and if not for at least one miscue could have even hado a td.

but again. i am just speculating, but if defenses figure they can contain the running game and mid range passing game while giving up an occasional deep pass i’m not sure what that says. and again. that may not even be all case’s fault.

“he did catch the defense a couple times deep. and if not for at least one miscue could have even hado a td.”

Yes! He could have had one of those TD thingys! It would have been remarkable!

For everybody who believes Silver, and that drafting Goff was Fisher’s idea and that Fisher really wanted Blackmon, and that Rams tired to trade up for Martin. 😉

I have used 31 for a long time, because anything less than that could be a red zone pass.