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  • December 16, 2023 at 9:40 am #147556
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    February 15, 2024 at 12:54 pm #149405
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    May 26, 2024 at 4:49 am #151045
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    Me: sometimes this forum is for posting stuff we know but it’s nice to have the details handy. In that spirit, this is a question and response from off of quora.

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    Q: Do you personally support gun control laws, or do you support the 2nd amendment?

    A: The 2nd amendment allows for gun control laws. Gun control laws do not infringe your right to bear arms. They simply regulate it in the name of the general welfare. So what you’re claiming is a false dichotomy—you can have both the 2nd amendment and gun control laws. This has been established in law and has been upheld by the Supreme Court.

    One example.

    The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act was enacted as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. The Act prohibited the manufacture, transfer, or possession of “semiautomatic assault weapons,” as defined by the Act.” The prohibitions expired on September 13, 2004.

    That law met no constitutional challenges.

    But the Supreme Court has ruled on gun control. In District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago (2008) the Supreme Court ruled that regulation of firearms does not violate the 2nd Amendment. Here is Justice Scalia on that in the majority opinion:

    “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. [It is] not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.”

    Quoting from a source on that case:

    The Court provided examples of laws it considered “presumptively lawful,” including those which:

    * Prohibit firearm possession by dangerous people.
    * Forbid firearm possession in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.
    * Impose conditions on the commercial sale of firearms.

    SOURCE: The Supreme Court & the Second Amendment: https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/second-amendment/the-supreme-court-the-second-amendment/

    May 26, 2024 at 11:31 am #151047
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    I saw somewhere yesterday that, since Sandy Hook, the US has averaged one school shooting every week.

     

    June 23, 2024 at 3:28 pm #151254
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    Off-duty guard charged with killing Seattle-area teen after mistaking toy for gun, authorities say

    https://apnews.com/article/toy-gun-teen-killed-guard-charged-bbe66178f764d1b944fb40b3ff4a3452

    SEATTLE (AP) — An off-duty security guard in a Seattle suburb has been charged with second-degree murder by prosecutors who said that he fatally shot a 17-year-old six times in the back as the teen and his friends tried to return a toy gun that the guard believed was a firearm to a sporting goods store.

    King County prosecutors charged Aaron Brown Myers on Monday in the death of Hazrat Ali Rohani outside a Big 5 Sporting Goods Store in Renton, Washington. Myers, 51, also faces a second-degree assault charge after authorities say he held another teen at gunpoint.

    Rohani and two other teens were headed into the store at about 7:30 p.m. on June 5 to return a malfunctioning airsoft gun, Rohani’s friends told police. They walked in front of Myers, who was sitting in his vehicle waiting to pick up his son from a martial arts class.

    Myers told police that he noticed one teen carrying what he believed was a Glock handgun, and thought he saw another teen put a firearm into his waistband. Thinking he needed to stop an armed robbery, Myers told police that he didn’t have time to call 911, and instead got out of the car and pointed his gun pointed at the teens.

    As Myers approached, one of the teens moved to the side and the other two stopped, raised their hands and one placed the airsoft gun on the sidewalk, telling Myers numerous times that it was a “BB gun,” not a firearm.

    Myers then pushed one of the boys onto the sidewalk and straddled him, according to the probable cause document filed by Renton police. Myers continued to point his firearm at Rohani as he held his hands out in front of him, showing Myers that they were empty, police said. Rohani started to back away and Myers opened fire, hitting the teen once in the right side and six times in the back.

    Video shows Rohani clutching his abdomen as he falls to the ground, calling out for his mother. The other teen ran for cover and called 911.

    Rohani died at the scene and police immediately took Myers into custody.

    Myers’ lawyer, Michelle Scudder, said in an email that Myers sincerely believed he was witnessing the beginning of a violent crime and wanted to stop it before anyone got hurt.

    “Mr. Myers and his family are devastated by this tragedy and the fact that it resulted in the loss of a young man’s life,” Scudder said. “We are confident that over the course of this investigation the evidence will show that Mr. Myers’ only intent that day was to protect himself and others from serious harm or death.”

    Myers said he had a “duty to intervene,” prosecutors said.

    “The defendant failed to take the obvious step of securing the toy gun, rather than assaulting the teen who had carried it,” King County Senior Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Lauren Burke said in a court filing.

    Myers was being held in King County jail on $2 million bail. A preliminary hearing was scheduled for June 24 in Kent, Washington.

    “Only a high bail, electronic home detention, and surrender of all firearms will protect the community from an untrained civilian who believes he has a duty to shoot people who have not hurt anyone,” Burke said.

    It’s unclear where Myers works as a security guard.

    Myers had tried to intervene in what he thought was a crime in March 2022, police said. He called 911 and told police that he saw a person on a bicycle pointing a gun at people, police said. He followed the person to a store until police arrived. Officers determined the person did not have a gun and posed no threat, police said.

    “In this case the defendant attacked three teenagers who had not committed any crime and at every stage of the interaction chose to escalate with more and more violence, until it culminated in the defendant taking the life of” Rohani, Burke said.

    July 13, 2024 at 8:34 pm #151397
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    July 16, 2024 at 3:01 am #151413
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    If this doesn’t cement a Trump victory, nothing will.

     

    If the Dems had any brains, they’d nominate a corporatist like Gavin Newsom who’d make Trump look silly in a debate while appeasing the donor class, but nope… just like with Roe, everything will be allowed to wither and die so the feckless Dems can fundraise harder…

    it’s vomit inducing

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    July 20, 2024 at 4:39 am #151436
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    Trump’s would-be assassin researched previous mass shooter Ethan Crumbley and his family before attack

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/politics/trump-rally-shooter-searches/index.html

    The Trump rally shooter searched online for information on the arrest of a Michigan mass shooter and his parents, who were prosecuted in a 2021 high school shooting. He visited websites for how to build explosives. And in the minutes before he fired shots in an attempted assassination of Donald Trump, he screenshotted a picture from a livestream of the Butler, Pennsylvania, rally.

    A week before the shooting, Thomas Matthew Crooks searched online for the date of the Democratic National Convention and where Trump planned to speak, as well as other searches for Trump and President Joe Biden.

    These details were among those shared by FBI and US Secret Service officials in a Wednesday briefing with lawmakers and by additional people familiar with the investigation. The previously unreported readout documents the scope of the investigation, including an expanded timeline of the would-be assassin’s actions leading to up his assault and law enforcement’s failure to prevent it.

    Investigators remain puzzled about possible motives for Saturday’s attempted assassination of the former president, finding little to point to political or ideological intentions for the attack.

    But the would-be assassin’s recent trail on the internet has provided investigators with a detailed picture of his possible mindset before the attack. FBI behavioral experts are building a profile of Crooks based on the findings, the FBI told lawmakers.

    Police continue to block roads around the home of Thomas Matthew Crooks as the FBI continues its investigation into the attempted assassination of former US President Donald Trump in Bethel Park, Pennsylvania, on July 14, 2024. Trump, the presumptive Republican presidential candidate, was shot in the ear July 13 in the opening minutes of his campaign rally in Butler. Rivals Joe Biden and Donald Trump urged Americans to show unity on July 14, after an assassination attempt on the Republican that the FBI said was carried out by a shooter with a legally-bought semi-automatic rifle.

    Investigators now believe account on gaming site in would-be assassin’s name is fake
    One emerging theory by investigators, based in part on the timing and subjects of his online searches, is that the shooter was looking to carry out a mass shooting and that the Trump event’s proximity and timing offered the most ready opportunity, according to a US official briefed on the matter.

    Unlike other mass shooters who often leave behind manifestos or writings to explain their attack, Crooks left behind few clues, in his bedroom or online.

    Investigators recovered rudimentary explosive devices from his car, along with a bullet-proof vest, additional magazines of the type he used in the attack and a drone, according to the officials who briefed lawmakers Wednesday. At the family home, they also recovered 14 firearms and additional explosives, along with a second cellphone, a laptop and hard drive.

    Investigators have focused on Crooks’ online activity in the months and days before the attack. Family members and people he worked with described him as quiet and a loner but haven’t indicated that he showed any signs of planning an attack. In April, he searched websites for information on major depressive disorder and depressive crisis treatment.

    On his primary cellphone, investigators found an image of the arrest photo of Ethan Crumbley – the student who shot and killed four classmates at a Michigan high school in 2021 – along with information about Crumbley and his parents, who were both found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, the first time parents of a school shooter have been prosecuted.

    Three days after the Trump campaign announced the rally in Butler, a western Pennsylvania town about an hour from Crook’s home, Crooks made numerous searches online for well-known political figures and political events. He searched for the date and location of the Democratic National Convention, which takes place in August in Chicago, and for the location of the Trump rally. He also searched for information on Trump, Biden and other major political figures.

    On the day of the rally, Crooks made several internet searches, including for photos of the location of Trump’s speech and for a local gun store not far from his home, where he purchased bullets that day.

    Investigators have found data showing that Crooks had visited the location of the rally a week before it was to be held. And on the morning of the rally, he visited the farm where the rally was to be held for over an hour. He then went home, and investigators believe he retrieved an AR-15 rifle owned by his father. Crooks’ father told investigators that he saw his son leave the home with the rifle and believed he was going to a shooting range that the two had frequented.

    On the day of the rally, his parents attempted to reach out to Crooks to find him. He didn’t respond.

    September 6, 2024 at 3:39 pm #152090
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    October 6, 2024 at 9:02 pm #152542
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    #UPDATE: Indianapolis police say a little-league football game ended in gunfire tonight at Cardinal Ritter High School. One team lost, got into a fight with other parents/coaches and then someone pulled out a gun. Two adults were shot. One is stable, the other is critical.
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