Martz on 920 AM … 12/8

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

He also flat out said he regrets
jettisoning Kurt Warner, but he also
made it clear it was a decision made
by the “organization.”

I had a somewhat different reaction.

He said some things–a few things in fact–that we KNOW are not true. Simply know are not true.

For example, he described how he set up the Proehl catch in the Tampa game. Well we have heard Kurt and others discuss that game. The PLAYERS changed the play in the huddle. They altered the hot read on the blitz. Proehl was supposed to do one thing and instead they changed his route so he did another. Yet you listen to Martz and it is as if that never happened.

That was not the only thing he said that was like that. And in fact in terms of being afraid, I thought that’s exactly what Martz was at crucial points in his career. He did not break out of the shell against Tampa, the players changed the hot read. He was the one who drew back in instead of being aggressive against Carolina when they could have won, and instead he settled for a tie and overtime. Etc.

Every time there’s a choice to tell a story so it’s self-serving, Martz goes to self-serving mode. I wonder if he even knows the difference anymore.

Now there are a lot of things in that interview that have nothing to do either way with being self-serving or not, and those are great listens. But I know too much of the history…he changed some stories there, and let’s put it this way–he never changes a story so it takes the glory away from himself.

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I’m gonna tread lightly because this is board war territory but when it comes to evidence you are talking about separate people recounting in a interview of things that happened long ago. You seem to value Warner’s version over Martz’s . When I listened I don’t actually hear anything that contradicts Martz. I mean if they changed it in the huddle in the NFC championship I can see Martz not knowing about it or I can see him remembering it different but it did not seem self serving imo. The interview was asking about when he was OC. He was up in the booth on that one. There’s a famous DV line from the SB video where DV says ” Whoa Mikey down here really? Okay” As far as him getting conservative he was slammed repeatedly for being so pass heavy against the cheatriots even though when I watch that game I don’t see Faulk doing anything in the few runs they tried , and remember they ran him ragged closing out Philly the week before. I never understood anyone slamming Martz for his coaching because the guys record was amazing. Imo Warner owes much to Martz If Martz doesn’t come to St. Louis and insist on moving on from Tony Banks I doubt anyone ever hears of Warner.

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

He also flat out said he regrets
jettisoning Kurt Warner, but he also
made it clear it was a decision made
by the “organization.”

I had a somewhat different reaction.

He said some things–a few things in fact–that we KNOW are not true. Simply know are not true.

For example, he described how he set up the Proehl catch in the Tampa game. Well we have heard Kurt and others discuss that game. The PLAYERS changed the play in the huddle. They altered the hot read on the blitz. Proehl was supposed to do one thing and instead they changed his route so he did another. Yet you listen to Martz and it is as if that never happened.

That was not the only thing he said that was like that. And in fact in terms of being afraid, I thought that’s exactly what Martz was at crucial points in his career. He did not break out of the shell against Tampa, the players changed the hot read. He was the one who drew back in instead of being aggressive against Carolina when they could have won, and instead he settled for a tie and overtime. Etc.

Every time there’s a choice to tell a story so it’s self-serving, Martz goes to self-serving mode. I wonder if he even knows the difference anymore.

Now there are a lot of things in that interview that have nothing to do either way with being self-serving or not, and those are great listens. But I know too much of the history…he changed some stories there, and let’s put it this way–he never changes a story so it takes the glory away from himself.

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Well i remembered Kurt’s story about the Proehl catch,
while i was listening to Martz tell his version.
I didnt think Martz was ‘lying’ or being particularly
self-serving myself. I was just thinking…Rashoman.
Ya know. My take on it is just…people have their
own truths, and nobody has ‘the’ truth. I’m ‘guessing’
that parts of Martz version are true-ish,
and parts of Kurts version are true-ish.

So, your truth is just dead wrong,
and you are an evil son of Cthulhu.

w
v

How the hell do you people remember all of this?

I can’t remember what happened last week.

I had to think for a few second who they played. It was the Cards, right?

Anyway, wasn’t sold on Kurt after the first game.
The Raven game. I only started thinking they had
something after the Atlanta game.

The Ravens game didn’t sell me either, what really sold me on Warner was the Bengals game and the loss to Tennessee…. despite the loss, the Rams showed me they were for real…..

I remember turning to my brother after Warner converted at 3rd pass in one of these early games under huge amounts of pressure and said, “this guy is good and for real”… I don’t know if you folks remember, but that Tennessee game was over at halftime, we were watching that game and thought 6-1, but the come back was awesome, they just fell a little short……

other cool things about the Martz interview, was the scripted bomb vs the Vikings in the 1999 divisional playoff game to open the game……….. what surprised me was that Martz stated that he did not script very many plays…. which is quite the opposite of what Bill Walsh used to do with SF…. Walsh would sometimes script the 1st 20 plays of a game.

Martz had cool insights about Bulger too… Bulger’s great season his Jr year in college, and Martz understood Bulger’s struggles his senior year with a new OC…. they had their eye on him and when he was released to the practice squad by the ATL, the Rams snapped him up….

It’s cool how these coaching staffs scout these guys…….

I wonder what would have happened if Vermeil stayed in 2000 and beyond……

I actually liked Kurt Warner in preseason that year. But, you know, that meant nothing. I am going to say you knew he was real about 5 or 6 games into the season. And, Joe makes a great point about that Titans loss. Our RT, Fred Miller, almost single-handedly lost that game. He couldn’t block Peppers and must have had 4 illegal motion penalties. The crowd was nutz! But, the Rams kept plugging away. I wonder what it would be like watching that game again, and paying attention to how Fisher coached that second half. Did the offense play too conservative and allow the Rams to get back into it?

That was just such a talented Rams squad. I would give the tip of my right pinkie finger to have that type of talent back in horns again.