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August 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm #4521
RamBillParticipantSt. Louis Rams practice report
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10770/st-louis-rams-practice-report
EARTH CITY, Mo. — With the “official” end of training camp coming and going Wednesday, the Rams practiced without any eyes other than media watching Thursday afternoon. Along with that, the rules change a bit in terms of what can and can’t be discussed. But Rams coach Jeff Fisher did offer some updates on some things that were noticeable on the field.
First, Fisher said Thursday’s practice was used largely to get his team familiar with Cleveland. It’s the first time in the preseason the Rams have done anything resembling some game planning. Some of that even included having a couple of players put on the red jersey to emulate different Browns players.
Linebacker James Laurinaitis (ankle) did a little more than on Wednesday, including a bit of work in team drills. Fisher said the decision on whether Laurinaitis will play against the Browns has not yet been made but it’s clear Laurinaitis could probably play if he had to. Clearly, he doesn’t have to but the option is realistic.
Fisher did indicate that left tackle Jake Long (knee), defensive tackle Michael Brockers (ankle) and guard Rodger Saffold (stinger) would all be available and are expected to play. That would allow the Rams to have their projected offensive and defensive lines together for the first time in the preseason.
Speaking of groups working together in a game for the first time this preseason, Fisher said he’s looking forward to seeing the secondary get some work together. That means Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson at cornerback and Rodney McLeod and T.J. McDonald at safety. Fisher even went so far as to acknowledge that rookie Lamarcus Joyner would work with the top offense as the nickelback.
As for playing time for the starters, Fisher indicated that group will play the bulk of the first half. He also again mentioned the gradual build he prefers means that group could play even more in Miami in the preseason finale. That’s how they’ve done it in his first two seasons in St. Louis and it doesn’t sound like it’s going to change.
Amongst projected starters, linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar is the only one not to practice at all this week. So even if the Rams get Laurinaitis back, they likely won’t be at full strength defensively.
The Rams again hosted the Ferguson-area high school teams at their facility Thursday as McCluer, McCluer North and McCluer South-Berkeley held practice on the team’s indoor field.
Running back Isaiah Pead officially cleared waivers and now reverts to the team’s injured reserve list. Pead does not count against the team’s 90-man roster.
The Rams will wrap up their preparation week with a walk-through Friday before traveling to Cleveland for Saturday night’s game against the Browns.
August 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm #4326RamBillParticipantSetting up Rams’ preseason Week 3
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10633/setting-up-rams-preseason-week-3
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The preseason is halfway done, which means we are now only a few short weeks from finally arriving at regular-season football.
The St. Louis Rams wrapped up their second preseason game Saturday afternoon with a 21-7 loss to the Green Bay Packers. The loss didn’t inspire much confidence aside from quarterback Sam Bradford’s strong return, but the reality remains that it’s preseason and all of this will be forgotten soon enough.
In a small scheduling quirk, the Rams are done with the home portion of their preseason schedule and will now take to the road to wrap up the preseason. It starts this week with a trip to Cleveland for preseason game No. 3. Think Johnny Manziel and Michael Sam on the same field will garner much attention?
Here’s the Rams’ practice schedule for the week:
— Tuesday: 3:30 p.m. CT (open to fans)
— Wednesday: 3:30 p.m. CT (open to fans); Rams break training camp
— Thursday: 4 p.m. CT (closed to fans)
The Rams will have their normal day before the game routine Friday before traveling to Cleveland in the afternoon.
In most cases, the third preseason game is viewed as the closest thing to a “dress rehearsal” as there is in the preseason. Many teams use the third preseason game to play their starters the longest amount of time before backing them down in the final game. Rams coach Jeff Fisher usually strays from that routine and plays his starters in the fourth game more than other teams. So it will be interesting to see how much they play against the Browns.
Beyond that, the most interesting part of the week will be to see how some of the key injured Rams are faring in their efforts to return. The Rams don’t have to rush them back by any means but with each week that passes, it’s important to know that guys like linebacker James Laurinaitis, defensive tackle Michael Brockers and guard Rodger Saffold are close to returning and can get back in the mix sooner than later.
After this week, the Rams will have to make their first round of cuts and trim the roster to 75 before a short turnaround and a trip to Miami to close out the preseason.
August 21, 2014 at 11:22 am #4497
znModeratorThe Rams opened Rams Park to high school teams affected by the events in Ferguson. The Post-Dispatch’s Jim Thomas explains to CineSport’s Brian Clark, and previews Saturday’s game.
http://cinesport.stltoday.com/saint-louis-sports/thomas-rams-host-ferguson-players/
August 21, 2014 at 7:49 pm #4523RamBillParticipant
Practice Recap: Prepping for ClevelandBy Kevin Orris
The Rams endured the heat in their first post-training camp practice of 2014 at Rams Park on Thursday.
“We tried to familiarize them with Cleveland,” Rams head coach Jeff Fisher said. “Cleveland’s obviously got a new staff, new coordinators. They’re playing very well on defense, they settled on their quarterback and they’ve got a running game going, so we tried to give them a chance to get familiar with that.”
Though some teams utilize the third preseason game as a dress rehearsal of sorts, Fisher reiterated his intention to build snaps throughout the preseason and play the starters through the first half.
“Some guys may come out a little sooner, but that’ll be our barometer,” Fisher stated.
It does appear Jake Long, Michael Brockers and Rodger Saffold will play against the Browns after participating in today’s practice.
“We got James [Laurinaitis] on the field,” Fisher said. “We don’t know whether he’s going to go. It’ll be very close. Rodger is expected to play, Jake is expected to play and [Brockers] is back.”
With just two games left to play in the preseason and the first round of roster cuts quickly approaching, Fisher hopes to see some of the younger talent on the roster standout.
“We’re looking for improvement out of the younger group of players on special teams,” Fisher said. “We’ve got to minimize our special teams penalties.”
“The roster may look a little bit different than years past because we may have more depth at one position. We may go a little heavier at one position versus another position.”
Fisher also shared his excitement to take on Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel on Saturday.
“I’m hoping he gets to play a lot,” Fisher said. “He’s an outstanding athlete and he’ll test our defense if he breaks the pocket and takes off running.”
August 21, 2014 at 11:35 pm #4544RamBillParticipant
Rams report: Team prepares for Browns in first post-camp practice
• By Joe LyonsThe Rams wrapped up their first post-training camp workout Thursday and went through some of their final preparations for Saturday night’s preseason game against the Browns in Cleveland.
Coach Jeff Fisher expects left tackle Jake Long, offensive lineman Rodger Saffold and defensive tackle Michael Brockers to start. Even with the status of middle linebacker James Laurinaitis is still to be determined, the Rams could have as many as 20 of their normal starters on the field for the third preseason contest.
Only a handful of players missed Thursday’s workout _ linebacker Jo-Lonn Dunbar defensive ends William and Sammy Brown, defensive tackle Matt Conrath, linebacker Pat Schiller, center Demetrius Rhaney and guard/center Barrett Jones.
RAM-BLINGS
As expected, running back and special teams player Isaiah Pead was not claimed on waivers and has been shifted to injured reserve list. Pead, a third-year pro, suffered a torn ACL in his left knee while returning a first-quarter kickoff last weekend.
• With their season openers slated for this weekend, the three high school football squads from the Ferguson-Florissant School District _ McCluer, McCluer North and McCluer South-Berkeley _ practiced at the Rams indoor facility on Thursday.
August 22, 2014 at 4:05 pm #4588znModeratorOn today’s Breakfast With Bernie, the Post-Dispatch’s Bernie Miklasz previews the Rams’ preseason game with the Browns in Cleveland.
http://cinesport.stltoday.com/saint-louis-sports/bwb-rams-set-to-be-tested/
August 22, 2014 at 5:56 pm #4606RamBillParticipantRams starters set for extended time
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10803/rams-starters-set-for-extended-time
EARTH CITY, Mo. — For most NFL teams, the third preseason game is the closest thing the exhibition season offers to a dress rehearsal.
For the St. Louis Rams, that isn’t necessarily the case. But they do have bigger plans for Saturday night’s game against the Cleveland Browns than in either of their first two preseason games.
Those plans include the team’s starters playing the bulk of the first half, including a handful of players who are returning this week from injury.
“Really, our hope is to play the first half,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “Some guys may come out just a little sooner, but that’ll be our guidelines, to try and get the starters to play at least a half.”
Among the starters expected to return for their first preseason game action are defensive tackle Michael Brockers, left tackle Jake Long, guard Rodger Saffold and cornerback Janoris Jenkins.
Long is scheduled to play in a game for the first time since suffering a torn ACL and MCL at the end of the 2013 season. He’s been practicing for most of the past couple of weeks and is right on the schedule the Rams initially set for his return.
Saffold has been working his way back from a stinger injury suffered in early August. He has been getting full reps in team drills this week and is also expected to return.
Assuming Long and Saffold come back, the Rams will have their first-team offensive line together for the first time in this preseason.
The same can be said of the secondary, where Jenkins is returning from a hamstring injury.
“I’m kind of excited about getting the secondary together for the first time this year,” Fisher said. “That’s going to be a good thing. [Cornerback] Lamarcus [Joyner] will line up and play in the slot for us, then of course it’s good to get Jake and Rodger back for the first time.”
That leaves linebacker James Laurinaitis as the only projected starter with an uncertain status as the team heads to Cleveland. Laurinaitis is bouncing back from an ankle injury, but has been getting more work in practice each day this week. His status is likely to be a game-time decision, but if he doesn’t play against the Browns, he almost certainly will play against Miami in the preseason finale.
Beyond the work of the starters, Fisher and his staff have plenty to evaluate with the backups as they begin to make roster decisions. Rosters must be trimmed from 90 to 75 by Tuesday.
After that, don’t be surprised if the Rams starters get even more work against the Dolphins as part of Fisher’s preferred method of gradually building snaps throughout the preseason.
“We probably will play more in the fourth game because we like to build reps,” Fisher said. “But again, if you go to the back end of the roster, we’re looking for guys that are competing for spots. We’re looking for improvement out of the younger group of players on special teams. We’ve got to minimalize our special-teams penalties.”
August 22, 2014 at 8:43 pm #4614RamBillParticipant
Dress Rehearsal Demands Attention – But How Much?
By D’Marco Farrhttp://www.101sports.com/2014/08/21/rams-dress-rehearsal-demands-attention-much/
I hate rehearsing. Always have. I would much rather get out there and just do it live.
There, I said it. I feel relieved. Liberated. Out of the closet, so to speak.
That being said, preseason games are a delicate balancing act for every single head coach in the National Football League. The overall health of a football team is of paramount importance coming out of exhibition play, but getting players into proper condition for the regular-season grind is what ultimately matters. While it is acceptable to play the starters for an extended amount of time in the unofficial “dress rehearsal,” or third game, you still have to use them carefully and efficiently – somewhere between 30-35 plays – or else your promising season might be wrecked out the gate.
Obviously, the goal for Jeff Fisher this weekend vs. Cleveland is to see an indication of progress offensively, defensively and on special teams. Trying to label the Rams’ performance in the last two preseason games could be foolhardy considering the number of starters and key players out due to precautionary reasons. Quarterback Sam Bradford, for example, has played roughly a quarter of football so far (about 22 plays, give or take penalized snaps).
Meanwhile, the offensive line has juggled multiple combinations the last two games with left tackle Jake Long and guard Rodger Saffold sitting out. I’m a big believer in the theory that the longer you play together, the better you play as a unit. Let’s hope it’s the best five and not just the healthiest five lining up against Minnesota on Sept. 7.
Defensively, middle linebacker James Laurinaitis, cornerback Janoris Jenkins, defensive tackle Michael Brockers and defensive end Williams Hayes have all been on the DNP list to start 2014. Really, this is the group that needs to go out running with the rest of the pack. There’s a big difference between running wind sprints and hunting moose, so I’m excited to see where their conditioning level is at this point. They should be fired up and ready to go Saturday.
The change in atmosphere between the last preseason game and the first regular-season game is so pronounced that the temptation will be there to keep players in longer to establish tempo and continuity. In the past, teams would play their starters through halftime and into the third quarter just to get acclimated to making adjustments for the second half. Training your body to fully warm up again and play full speed after a 20-minute break is tougher than it sounds.
This will be the first exhibition contest in which the Rams are more specific in game planning, and there will be a lot to defend when Cleveland has the football this weekend. The Browns sport four 2014 Pro Bowlers on offense: tight end Jordan Cameron, wide receiver Josh Gordon, center Alex Mack and left tackle Joe Thomas. Browns head coach Mike Pettine is a defensive-minded coach, so moving the football against Pro Bowl cornerback Joe Haden and company could prove to be difficult, too.
In any event, let the (almost real) action begin.
August 23, 2014 at 2:10 am #4644RamBillParticipantRams notes: Browns FB Agnew prepares to face ‘his’ team
• By Joe LyonsRay Agnew grew up as a huge Rams fan.
That’s what happens when you’re raised in St. Louis and spend your formative years in the Greatest Show On Turf era. That’s also what happens when your dad, also named Ray, played the final three seasons of an 11-year NFL career with the Rams and was a key player on the Super Bowl championship squad in 1999.
The elder Agnew remained with the organization after his playing days and is now the team’s assistant director of pro personnel.
But the younger Agnew, who starred at De Smet and Southern Illinois University, will be wearing No. 48 and playing fullback for the opposition tonight when the Rams take on the Browns in Cleveland.
“It’s our first home game of the preseason, which is special enough, but getting a chance to play the Rams is definitely going to make it special night for me,’’ Ray III said in a recent phone conversation. “My dad’s been with the organization for 20-something years, so obviously the Rams have always been a big part of my life. Last year at this time, I was at Rams Park watching them in training camp and now I’m in training camp myself, trying to win a job with the Browns and getting a chance to play against the team I grew up rooting for. It’s kind of surreal.’’
He continued: “I don’t think it’ll be weird. I just think it’s going to be exciting.’’
When asked about the Rams gear he’d accumulated over the years, Ray III said, “I still have it – in St. Louis – I didn’t see any reason to bring any of that stuff to Cleveland.’’
Agnew, 23, stands 5 feet 10 and weighs 247 pounds. He has seen limited action in the Browns’ first two preseason contests, a pair of one-point losses, but the punishing blocker is listed at No. 1 on the team’s depth chart.
“I’m getting a chance and that’s really all you can ask for, right?’’ he said. “I got more snaps against Detroit (14, with three more on special teams) than against Washington (four, one), but that had more to do with the game plan.’’
Agnew said that Rams made contact during and after the draft but he opted to sign as an undrafted free agent with the Browns.
“Cleveland showed a lot of interest throughout the draft process and they’re a team that uses the fullback quite a bit more than most NFL teams,’’ he said. “It just seemed like the best fit for me.’’
Ray III was a standout linebacker and running back at De Smet when Spartans coach Pat Mahoney approached him about the shift to fullback.
“Of all the backs we had, I was one best suited for fullback. I gave it a shot and the rest is history,’’ he said. “It’s not a position with much glamor or accolades, but it’s a position I’ve really come to love. I enjoy the contact and I don’t mind doing the dirty work.
“It’s not an easy position to play, but if you work hard and do the job, you’re going to earn the respect of your teammates and that means a lot to me.’’
Like a lot of players on the field tonight, Agnew is battling to earn a roster spot in the NFL. The league’s first cutdown, from 90 to 75, will be announced Tuesday.
“If you spend a lot of time worrying about it, it’ll drive you crazy,’’ he said. “Instead, you just have to focus on working hard every day and doing whatever the team and the coaching staff ask you to do. Right now, my entire focus is on trying to knock down whoever is across the line from me.’’
And Ray III said his father has been there every step of the way.
“We talk on the phone all the time, so if I have questions, he’s there to answer them,’’ the younger Agnew said. “Because of my dad’s time with the Rams, I probably have a little better understanding of how the business works. But I’m still an undrafted free agent trying to make a football team, so when I get my opportunities, I have to make the most of them.’’
Agnew is one of three St. Louis-area rookies on the Browns’ roster, joining defensive back Pierre Desir (Francis Howell Central, Lindenwood) and linebacker Chris Kirksey (Hazelwood East, Iowa). Cleveland’s draft class also includes quarterback Johnny Manziel and his trailing media circus.
“It’s been pretty amazing, especially coming from a smaller school like SIU,” Agnew said. “Having ESPN at every practice was a little distracting at first, but eventually you get used to it.’’
Agnew joked that “Johnny Football mania’’ has had a positive impact on the Agnew family. “My mom likes it because she gets a chance to see me every day on ESPN,’’ Ray III said, laughing. “I just have to make sure I’m always standing somewhere close to Johnny.’’
A LITTLE MORE MANZIEL
The Browns have announced Brian Hoyer, a sixth-year pro, will start ahead of Manziel, but … “I’m hoping he gets to play a lot (tonight),’’ Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “He’s an outstanding athlete and he’ll test our defense if he breaks the pocket and takes off running.’’
August 23, 2014 at 9:49 am #4660RamBillParticipant
Players get another chance to impress Rams
By Nate Latschhttp://stl.scout.com/2/1437297.html
ST. LOUIS — The Rams will have to cut down their training camp roster from 89 to 75 players by Tuesday, the first mandatory cuts of the NFL preseason. But there is still another chance for bubble players to make a lasting impression.
That would be on Saturday night in Cleveland when the Rams take on the Browns in their third of four preseason games.Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Thursday he is expecting most of his starters to play and for many of them to play the entire first half. But after that, it will be time for the reserves fighting for roster spots to show what they can do.
“If you go to the backend of the roster we’re looking for guys that are competing for spots,” Fisher said.
The veteran coach also offered some sage advice for those players.
“Tell him not worry about next week,” he said. “Just pay attention to their football, stay in the book, study, prepare, don’t be distracted because it’s a road game, and just go out and do the best you can.”
With such a young and mostly established roster, the Rams don’t have a lot of spots up for grabs. But it’s still possible to seize one.
“Yeah, there’s some things that could change,” Fisher said. “The roster may look a little bit different than years past because we may have more depth at one position. We may go a little heavier at one position versus another position. So they can’t waste their time trying to figure out what’s going to happen because things can change on a daily basis.”
Among the positions to watch on Saturday night that may have the most spots still up for grabs are the offensive line, linebackers and secondary.
Undrafted rookie defensive lineman Ethan Westbrooks has been impressive through the first two preseason games, as has seventh-round defensive end Michael Sam, but there could be only one roster spot left between those two players. Unless both play so well that they force their way onto the 53-man roster.
August 23, 2014 at 4:48 pm #4671znModeratorNFL Now: Rams vs. Browns Preview: Marc Istook and Elliot Harrison preview which players you should pay attention to in the preseason Week 3 game between the St. Louis Rams and the Cleveland Browns.
August 23, 2014 at 5:43 pm #4677RamBillParticipantW2W4: St. Louis Rams
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10765/w2w4-st-louis-rams-3
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams and Cleveland Browns meet in Week 3 of the preseason Saturday night at FirstEnergy Stadium. Kickoff is set for 8 p.m. ET. Here are three things to watch for from the Rams’ end:
1. Returning starters: Last week it was quarterback Sam Bradford making his 2014 preseason debut, but five other important Rams are working their way back onto the field and could do so as early as this week. Left tackle Jake Long is expected to play for the first time since suffering a torn MCL and ACL in December 2013. Defensive tackle Michael Brockers also looks on course to bounce back from an ankle injury after doing most everything in practice this week. Cornerback Janoris Jenkins should also be back on the field after a short hiatus because of a hamstring issue. Linebacker James Laurinaitis (ankle) and guard Rodger Saffold (stinger) are less certain. Saffold has done limited work in team drills during practice but is hopeful that he’ll get to play. Laurinaitis is in a similar boat but may not be pushed. We won’t know who will and won’t play until the game starts, but all five are worth watching either way.
2. A better idea: Rams coach Jeff Fisher has indicated his team will be a bit more active in game planning and preparation this week after an extremely vanilla approach the first two weeks. That could mean more time for the starters than either of the first two games. But just because there will be more scheming doesn’t mean there will be a lot. A blitz here and there might be in the offing, but coming away with any sweeping generalizations from any preseason game (or practice, for that matter) is still not recommended. Still, the more time the starters play, the more chances we’ll have to see what kind of shape the top group is in.
3. Running revival: Through the first two games, there has been plenty of caterwauling about the Rams’ inability to run the ball on offense and stop the run on defense, particularly with the starting groups. While there hasn’t been much game planning going on, the run game often comes down to the basics of blocking and tackling. Those two things should always be a priority and so far the Rams have struggled in those areas. Of course, plenty of teams around the league can say the same thing. On defense, the return of Laurinaitis and Brockers would go a long way toward helping stop the run. Saffold would have a similar effect on the run game. Again, there’s little reason to panic about either area at this point in the preseason, but it’s worth continuing to monitor as the regular season draws near.
August 23, 2014 at 5:51 pm #4678RamBillParticipantRams-Browns Five Things to Watch
By Nate Latschhttp://stl.scout.com/2/1437379.html
ST. LOUIS — The Rams will visit the Browns on Saturday night for their third preseason game and their first on the road this preseason. Here are five things I’ll be watching for.
• Starting offensive line
We’re hopefully going to finally get a chance to see the expected starting offensive line work together in the preseason.Left tackle Jake Long is expected to make his preseason debut. So too is right guard Rodger Saffold, who has missed time this preseason with a shoulder injury. Long and Saffold will join up with center Scott Wells, right tackle Joe Barksdale and rookie left guard Greg Robinson to give us a glimpse of what the line will look like at the start of the regular season.
Robinson, the No. 2 overall pick, could be his own topic here. He’s had some ups and downs in the first two preseason games while playing both left guard and left tackle. He has allowed a sack in each of the first two games, but should benefit from getting Long back at the left tackle spot.
Fisher said this week that Robinson will get some time at left tackle after Long comes out of the game. It’s all part of the learning process for the big rookie, who played left tackle the past two years at Auburn.
• Sam Bradford
Bradford’s preseason debut against the Packers a week ago was a successful one.
He completed 75 percent of his passes for 101 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions and a QB rating of 127.4. He also took a big hit on a sack by Julius Peppers and survived.
Bradford only played two series against Green Bay but should see more action against the Browns. The Cleveland defense should be a good challenge for the Rams quarterback and the team’s passing game.
• Zac Stacy
So far this preseason Stacy has carried 10 times for a total of 28 yards.
That average of 2.8 yards per carry isn’t pretty, of course, but the second-year running back out of Vanderbilt has yet to have a chance to run behind the Rams’ expected starting offensive line group.
Stacy proved himself during a rookie season that fell just short of the 1,000-yard mark despite only playing in 14 games and he figures to get plenty of work this fall.
• Secondary
Like the offensive line, the Rams should have their starting secondary together for the first time this preseason.
St. Louis held cornerback Janoris Jenkins out of action against the Packers and both starting corners, Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson, were not in the lineup against the Saints in the preseason opener.
The Browns’ top two quarterbacks, starter Brian Hoyer and backup Johnny Manziel, have both struggled so far this preseason. Hoyer has completed 40 percent of his passes for 108 yards and a 57.9 QB rating. Manziel has completed 51.9 percent for 128 yards and one touchdown and a 77.4 quarterback rating.
The Rams’ starting secondary should have success against that duo. If not, it doesn’t bode well going into the regular season considering that the back four are the weak spot of what could be a very good defense.
• Garrett Gilbert vs. Austin Davis
The battle for the third quarterback spot hasn’t been as interesting as I’d hoped as both Gilbert and Davis have failed to impress much.
Gilbert, the rookie sixth-rounder from SMU, has completed 52.9 percent of his passes for 85 yards and a QB rating of 67.0. Davis has been better by the numbers — 59.1 percent completion rate, 174 yards, one touchdown, no interceptions, 99.4 rating — but not very impressive either.
The competition here isn’t only for that third quarterback spot behind Bradford and Shaun Hill but also for a spot on the 53-man regular season roster. If neither impress enough, the Rams could cut both and keep another player at a different position.
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