LIONS game reaction thread

[zn]

What a game to be without defense.

Okay, 3-3.

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[Agamemnon]

Unforced errors negated some good performances. Playoff teams win these games. Good play by Keenum, Britt, and Qu ick.

Agamemnon

[wv]

Boy that game-ending INT was a bad one. Ah well.

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[JackPMiller]

3-3 again.

[nittany ram]

The defense came up small.

The NFL is now a week to week league. In any game it’s hard to predict the winner (unless the Pats are playing) but the Rams have now lost to two so-so teams in a row.

This isn’t a playoff team. Maybe they’ll get better but right now this is a mediocre team.

[zn]

JackPMiller wrote:

3-3 again.

Okay Here are the years they’ve been exactly 3-3 since 1990.

2015

2013

2012

2010

1991

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[joemad]

The play right before half came back to bite the Rams in the ass. That was a huge play in this game…

Lions converted 4th downs, the Rams did not.

I’m not saying that they should’ve kicked the FG, I’m saying convert a play to get 3 inches…

Too bad for Case… threw in very heavy traffic to end the game.

[nittany ram]

I know stuff like this depends on the “flow of the game”, but how did Gurley only end up with 15 carries? He should have gotten the ball a lot more. However, I don’t have a problem with the offense.

The defense though is really struggling. Last week they couldn’t stop the run and this week it was the pass. No one other than Donald can generate a pass rush but he’s being doubled every down. Looks like Brockers came back too early but he’s too fragile anyway. Without Quinn and TruJo this defense has no teeth.

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[JackPMiller]

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

3-3 again.

Okay Here are the years they’ve been exactly 3-3 since 1990.

2015

2013

2012

2010

1991

.

With Jeff Fisher it is a common theme. Outside his first year, where his last ten games he went 4-5-1, he went 4-6. Same Old Jeff Fisher.

[sanbagger]

joemad wrote:

The play right before half came back to bite the Rams in the ass. That was a huge play in this game…

Lions converted 4th downs, the Rams did not.

I’m not saying that they should’ve kicked the FG, I’m saying convert a play to get 3 inches…

Too bad for Case… threw in very heavy traffic to end the game.

I thought they should have kicked the FG. They were getting the ball in the 2nd half to start and were moving the ball easily…could have been a 10 pt deal.

When they lined up I called a run up the middle and it would be stuffed…voila.

On 3rd and 4th and inches they have been stuffed running that same play a coupl or 3 times now this year…why not try the stretch play with a runn/pass option? You know, kinda how they got a TD earlier in the game.

Thje middle of the O-line is soft and can not win those 4th and 1’s right now.

[sanbagger]

nittany ram wrote:

I know stuff like this depends on the “flow of the game”, but how did Gurley only end up with 15 carries? He should have gotten the ball a lot more. However, I don’t have a problem with the offense.

The defense though is really struggling. Last week they couldn’t stop the run and this week it was the pass. No one other than Donald can generate a pass rush but he’s being doubled every down. Looks like Brockers came back too early but he’s too fragile anyway. Without Quinn and TruJo this defense has no teeth.

I really expected to see TG with 25 carries as they were gashing them with the run and that also keeps Stafford off the field.

They decided to get in a shootout and play their game and they came away with a L…I put that on the coaches.

[zn]

It’s a tupsy-turvey season.

They were supposed to be a running team with Gurley, win with defense, and Keenum was just supposed to be a decent game manager…they didn’t have the receivers anyway.

Well the receivers are the best they’ve been since…jeez how long? 2006? Including Tavon, but especially Quick and Britt.

Keenum keeps them in games yes with smart game management but also a very good long game.

Gurley can’t get going (though he’s the best receiving RB outside of Faulk…since, forever)

And without Quinn and Johnson, the D can’t keep them in games.

[bnw]

I’m very disappointed. This team lacks a winning attitude.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

[sanbagger]

zn wrote:

It’s a tupsy-turvey season.

They were supposed to be a running team with Gurley, win with defense, and Keenum was just supposed to be a decent game manager…they didn’t have the receivers anyway.

Well the receivers are the best they’ve been since…jeez how long? 2006? Including Tavon, but especially Quick and Britt.

Keenum keeps them in games yes with smart game management but also a very good long game.

Gurley can’t get going (though he’s the best receiving RB outside of Faulk…since, forever)

And without Quinn and Johnson, the D can’t keep them in games.

As far as the D goes…they really aren’t blitzing much at all. I know GW likes to pressure the QB so I’m wondering if they have concerns with the DB’s and this has been going on all year including when Tru was out there.

[nittany ram]

sanbagger wrote:

zn wrote:

It’s a tupsy-turvey season.

They were supposed to be a running team with Gurley, win with defense, and Keenum was just supposed to be a decent game manager…they didn’t have the receivers anyway.

Well the receivers are the best they’ve been since…jeez how long? 2006? Including Tavon, but especially Quick and Britt.

Keenum keeps them in games yes with smart game management but also a very good long game.

Gurley can’t get going (though he’s the best receiving RB outside of Faulk…since, forever)

And without Quinn and Johnson, the D can’t keep them in games.

As far as the D goes…they really aren’t blitzing much at all. I know GW likes to pressure the QB so I’m wondering if they have concerns with the DB’s and this has been going on all year including when Tru was out there.

Before the season if you told me the Rams offense would put up 28 points in a game I’d chalk that up as a win.

[Eternal Ramnation]

I just so tired of silver lining football. 13 years of this shit and throw in the nine seasons before 99 it’s bullshit 22 years of ineptitude .

[bnw]

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

I just so tired of silver lining football. 13 years of this shit and throw in the nine seasons before 99 it’s bullshit 22 years of ineptitude .

So true.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

[Agamemnon]

wv wrote:

Boy that game-ending INT was a bad one. Ah well.

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At that point you are kind of in desperation mode, you have to try to do something. imo

1:09 left on the clock, no TOs, etc. It takes 14 seconds just to clock the ball. You need a TD to win, a FG to tie. Your chances of winning are about 1 in 8, if you do everything right. Maybe you want to try something else, but you don’t have much choice at the point. imo

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Agamemnon

[Agamemnon]

Last week on 4 and goal from the 4 they kicked the FG and that was criticized, this week they go for the TD from inside the 1 and that gets criticized. I think both times either choice was OK. Last week, I wanted a FG and this week I was in favor of going for the TD. imo

Agamemnon

[wv]

The Defense imho, has never been scary without Quinn AND Donald,
as I’ve said a gazillion times.

Without their best CB, and without the dynamic duo of Q and AD — the D failed.

I just think this is a 7 win team without Q.

But who knows. They might surprise me. Hope so.

They are still in the playoff race, obviously. 3-3 is not the end
of the world 🙂 Neither is 3-4.

3-5 would be the end of the World though. Just so you know.

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[zn]

wv wrote:

I just think this is a 7 win team without Q.

Today I think it’s more Johnson than Quinn. They have won before without Quinn. But with Johnson out, the D deteriorates more. With them BOTH playing they could win almost any game.

I know some will say that the pass rush helps the secondary but today what I saw was CB play falling below the Rams standard far more than you would expect.

Last year they went 3-2 with Keenum at qb, and Johnson playing but no Quinn.

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[JackPMiller]

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

I just think this is a 7 win team without Q.

Today I think it’s more Johnson than Quinn. They have won before without Quinn. But with Johnson out, the D deteriorates more. With them BOTH playing they could win almost any game.

I know some will say that the pass rush helps the secondary but today what I saw was CB play falling below the Rams standard far more than you would expect.

Last year they went 3-2 with Keenum at qb, and Johnson playing but no Quinn.

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It all comes back to coaching. Our guys are not coached well to finish games.

[Zooey]

I wanted the FG at the end of the half, but I won’t complain that they went for it.

I do complain that it was a run up the middle when that has been one thing they have proven consistently terrible at all season.

A pitch, a roll-out, a sweep, 4 wide, I don’t care. Not up the middle.

[wv]

zn wrote:

wv wrote:

I just think this is a 7 win team without Q.

Today I think it’s more Johnson than Quinn. They have won before without Quinn. But with Johnson out, the D deteriorates more. With them BOTH playing they could win almost any game.

I know some will say that the pass rush helps the secondary but today what I saw was CB play falling below the Rams standard far more than you would expect.

Last year they went 3-2 with Keenum at qb, and Johnson playing but no Quinn.

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Well when i say they “cant win” without Q, i dont mean that literally. I know they can scratch out some wins, like they did last year. But they are just a “seven and nine” type team without quinn imho. Maybe eight and eight.

With Q (and yes TruJo) they are a wildcard team.

You know three and three at this early stage, is not that bad. I’ve seen some boards where you’d think the four horseman of the Apocalypse had just rode in to town.

They are now one game out of the last Wildcard spot. With ten games to play.

Giants are 3-3. Rams are 3-3. Big game. Again.

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[zn]

JackPMiller wrote:

It all comes back to coaching. Our guys are not coached well to finish games.

Well apparently it all comes back to repeating that mantra regardless of the facts.

In the last 4 games they were down late. They won two, and lost two. So apparently they are capable of it.

One of the losses they were missing both Quinn and Johnson. That made a difference. Unless you want to argue that Quinn and Johnson were injured by Fisher.

As I said, Jack, I always like good attention to the facts over autopilot coach blame stuff.

[JackPMiller]

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

It all comes back to coaching. Our guys are not coached well to finish games.

Well apparently it all comes back to repeating that mantra regardless of the facts.

In the last 4 games they were down late. They won two, and lost two. So apparently they are capable of it.

One of the losses they were missing both Quinn and Johnson. That made a difference. Unless you want to argue that Quinn and Johnson were injured by Fisher.

As I said, Jack, I always like good attention to the facts over autopilot coach blame stuff.

Cowboys are 5-1. They have a rookie QB, a rookie RB, no Dez Bryant, a banged up Online themselves, talent wise the worse defense in all the NFL. Their two pass rushers are just coming back from suspension. But Jason Garrett is finding a way. Remember Jason Garrett is their Head Coach. Again, Jason Garrett, is the Cowboys Head Coach. If he can go 5-1 with what he has, why can’t Fisher?

[zn]

Any silver linings?

I know we would rather have wins.

But still.

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[zn]

JackPMiller wrote:

Cowboys are 5-1. They have a rookie QB, a rookie RB, no Dez Bryant, a banged up Online themselves, talent wise the worse defense in all the NFL. Their two pass rushers are just coming back from suspension

The idea that their OL is banged up is absurd. They have a former starter (Leary) playing for Collins. That’s not “banged up,” that’s what I always call relatively healthy. Replacing one guy is not a banged up line. Compare that to the Rams in 2007 when they lost 10 OL players, including 4 for the season and 6 for extended periods. It’s just not remotely the same.

And they are not starting a #2 caliber qb. They picked him because he is starting caliber and the future. That would be like calling Bulger a #2 caliber qb. Well no, Bulger was a starting caliber qb. The key operative word here is CALIBER. That’s why I always stress that word. Prescott’s certainly not the equivalent of Hill or Clemens…ie guys who are #2 caliber qbs and career back-ups.

Neither one of those things is what I talked about. And…enough. I answered your post but Jack we don’t argue in game reaction threads. Start a new thread if you have to continue with this for some reason. Me too. I can’t continue it either (and to be fair may have started it.) So let’s leave the Fisher Wars out of this thread. K?

[InvaderRam]

they should have won. end of. three fourth down conversions. the lions won on two attempts. the rams lost on theirs. that turned out to be three tds. dumb penalties continually bit them in the ass throughout the game. no. no excuses this time.

they finally got some receivers and a solid qb. but this team is dumb and undisciplined. they should be ashamed.

[wv]

InvaderRam wrote:

they should have won. end of. three fourth down conversions. the lions won on two attempts. the rams lost on theirs. that turned out to be three tds. dumb penalties continually bit them in the ass throughout the game. no. no excuses this time.

they finally got some receivers and a solid qb. but this team is dumb and undisciplined. they should be ashamed.

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Could be, but Wildcard-level teams always have flaws. They are not really competing against the elite teams — they are competing against the other wildcard-level teams. Teams like…the Lions…the Giants.

There’s still time for them to improve and make a run.

Big, painful loss though, for sure.

Fisher will probly tell them “its a new season, we are zero and zero” etc.

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