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April 2, 2015 at 4:42 pm #22008znModerator
RamBill sez: Greg Cosell joins Ross Tucker to break down the Offensive line prospects for the 2015 NFL Draft. Good detailed discussion with pro comparisons for many of the prospects.
Cosell starts at 2:00 in
April 2, 2015 at 5:21 pm #22009znModeratorCosell thinks this guy can play but doesn’t project him high.
Center
Andy Gallik
Boston College
6’2″
306LBS.Analysis
Strengths
Fighter and grinder. Plays flat-footed on impact and can anchor. Secures his down blocks with purpose and tries to collapse them. Sinks hips and times his punch in pass protection. Keeps his head out of the pass protection and uses good posture. Nasty. Has the play demeanor that offensive line coaches love. Has necessary sand in his pants to stalemate against power and does a good job of getting his feet in position to wall off defenders. Very good functional strength. Can sustain power blocks.
Weaknesses
Gets a little bit high out of the snap. Linebackers have ability to slip his blocks when he climbs to the second level. Limited athletically and loses a great deal of his effectiveness outside of his snap area. Will spend too much time securing first space when asked to pull.
NFL Comparison Bryan Stork
Bottom Line Gallik won’t win many footraces and he might not look as good in the uniform as some others will, but he’s a street fighter in knee braces and he has the power to handle himself when covered by a 3-4 front. Starting-caliber center in a power running game.
April 2, 2015 at 5:32 pm #22010znModeratorBoth Tucker and Cosell also like this guy.
DJ Humphries (OT), Florida
6’5” | 307 lbs.
Projection:
1st-2nd round
What scouts are saying:
“Flexible hips and knees offer up leverage wins as run blocker. Gets down blocks secured and transitions quickly into second-level stalker with ability to mirror moving linebackers in space. As base-blocker, hustles feet into position and works to wall defender off. Has desired foot quickness combined with proper angles to be effective blocker on play side and back side on stretch plays.” – Lance Zierlein, NFL.com
“Humphries will have to show greater durability to maximize his talent, but it is undeniable. He looks and moves more like a tight end than an NFL offensive lineman, sporting broad shoulders, long arms and a trim middle. Appears to have the frame to gain at least another 10-15 pounds without a significant loss of quickness.” – Rob Rang, CBSSports.com
“Humphries could continue to add strength, but he is very quick and athletic. Humphries has the athletic skill set to be a starting left tackle in the NFL. He would have had a better shot at being a high first-round pick if he had returned for his senior year and stayed healthy. Sources say they like Humphries as a player, but he could be downgraded because of the medical evaluation. Some team sources said they have Humphries rated as a high second-rounder.” – WalterFootball.com
April 2, 2015 at 5:59 pm #22011canadaramParticipantGreg Cosell joins Ross Tucker to break down the Offensive line prospects for the 2015 NFL Draft. Good detailed discussion with pro comparisons for many of the prospects.
As far as tackles go they both like Peat, but not a lot of positive comments about Flowers.
April 2, 2015 at 6:04 pm #22012canadaramParticipantGreg Cosell joins Ross Tucker to break down the Offensive line prospects for the 2015 NFL Draft. Good detailed discussion with pro comparisons for many of the prospects.
I remember last year’s oline discussion between Cosell and Tucker Mir was excellent. So is this one.
Regarding Humphries, Charles Davis has him as his number one OT.
April 2, 2015 at 7:36 pm #22016AgamemnonParticipantGreg Cosell joins Ross Tucker to break down the Offensive line prospects for the 2015 NFL Draft. Good detailed discussion with pro comparisons for many of the prospects.
At the very beginning of the podcast they talk about LT vs RT.
The old stereotype of what a LT and RT are is going out the window.
You had better have a guy at RT that is a good pass blocker, too.
The difference between LT and RT is very much media based.They do a good job of discussing the various top offensive linemen.
April 3, 2015 at 3:02 am #22037AgamemnonParticipantLuke Easterling’s 2015 NFL Draft Positional Rankings: OT
Written by Luke Easterling on March 29, 2015
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1. Brandon Scherff | Iowa | 6’5″, 319 | Grade: Top 10
This year’s class doesn’t have the flashy “franchise LT” prospect that usually sets himself apart from the rest, but that doesn’t mean Scherff isn’t a stellar football player. Though he may be best used at guard at the next level, similar to Zack Martin and Joel Bitonio from last year’s draft, Scherff has plenty of successful experience at tackle and could very well stay there. He’s a mauler in the run game and will be a steal in the bottom of the top 10.
2. Jake Fisher | Oregon | 6’6′, 306 | Grade: 1st Round
Thought by many to be a mid-round projection at season’s end, Fisher is finally getting the credit he should have been receiving all along, with some putting him into the first-round conversation. At worst, Fisher is a plug-and-play starter at right tackle, with the size, athleticism and physical tools to potentially develop into a star left tackle. Adequate as a run-blocker, Fisher’s at his best in pass-protection and could be an amazing value if he falls out of the first round.
3. La’el Collins | LSU | 6’4″, 305 | Grade: 1st Round
Another prospect who could end up finding more success by sliding inside to guard, Collins is a powerful blocker who engulfs defenders and excels in the run game. Collins put together some impressive tape against top competition in the SEC, and looks like a first-round lock at this point.
4. D.J.Humphries | Florida | 6’5″, 307 | Grade: 1st Round
One of the more boom-or-bust prospects in this position group, Humphries is a raw talent who has the size and physical tools to develop into a franchise left tackle. He needs some polish and might not be able to start from Day 1, but if he develops, Humphries could end up being the best tackle to come out of this class.
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5. Ereck Flowers | Miami (FL) | 6’6″, 329 | Grade: 2nd Round
Flowers has the massive frame and footwork teams look for in a franchise left tackle, but he’s far from a finished product. He’s a monster in the run game, but his technique and balance in pass-protection still need plenty of development.
6. T.J. Clemmings | Pittsburgh | 6’5″, 309 | Grade: 2nd Round
Similar to Greg Robinson last year, Clemmings brings an attractive combination of size, power and athleticism to the table, but he needs to refine those skills and be much more consistent if he wants to reach his full potential. He’s experienced on the right side, but he’s got the skills to move to the left side, if needed.
7. Andrus Peat | Stanford | 6’7″, 313 | Grade: 2nd Round
Some consider Peat to be a top-15 talent, but I’m not quite as high on him. He looks the part with his massive frame and wingspan, he just doesn’t deliver the punch, balance or technique that an elite left tackle prospect should possess. He’s still a solid player, though, and has a strong chance of going in the first round.
8. Daryl Williams | Oklahoma | 6’5″, 327 | Grade: 3rd Round
9. Rob Havenstein | Wisconsin | 6’7″, 321 | Grade: 3rd Round
10. Ty Sambrailo | Colorado State | 6’6″, 311 | Grade: 3rd Round
11. Cedric Ogbuehi | Texas A&M | 6’5″, 306 | Grade: 3rd Round
12. Donovan Smith | Penn State | 6’6″, 338 | Grade: 4th Round
13. Tyrus Thompson | Oklahoma | 6’5″, 324 | Grade: 5th Round
14. Austin Shepherd | Alabama | 6’4″, 315 | Grade: 5th Round
15. Corey Robinson | South Carolina | 6’7″, 324 | Grade: 6th Round
16. Terry Poole | San Diego State | 6’5″, 307 | Grade: 7th Round
17. Sean Hickey | Syracuse | 6’5″, 309 | Grade: 7th Round
http://draftbreakdown.com/luke-easterlings-positional-rankings-ot/
There is so much information available these days. Remember what it was like when the internet was new or even before the internet.
April 3, 2015 at 2:09 pm #22066znModeratorApril 3, 2015 at 8:06 pm #22089AgamemnonParticipantAnother Cosell podcast on offensive linemen
The 2015 draft class of offensive linemen is very deep from tackle to guard to center, and one of the more interesting and potentially befuddling things about this class is how many players who have excelled at one or more positions in the NCAA could be better off lining up somewhere else when it’s their time in the NFL. In the latest edition of their draft podcast series, Doug Farrar of Sports Illustrated and Greg Cosell of NFL Films and ESPN’s NFL Matchup break down the big names, some underrated surprises, and where these guys should all line up at the next level.
They give a bit different look at the offensive linemen than we got from Cosell talking with Russ Tucker. Worth a listen. imo
April 4, 2015 at 12:54 pm #22107InvaderRamModeratorAnother Cosell podcast on offensive linemen
that was a lot of information. they seem to have some disagreement on collins although both think he can definitely play guard. farrar has a second round grade on erving. they love hroniss grasu. like a lot.
i’d really like it if the rams came out of this draft with one center prospect. i’d prefer erving. because i think he’d be able to play guard too. not sure if grasu could play guard.
April 4, 2015 at 12:56 pm #22108InvaderRamModeratoroverall though. i get the impression that while this offensive line class doesn’t have any superstars, it has a lot of depth. all the more reason to try and trade back in my opinion. unless some other position just pops out at them.
April 5, 2015 at 4:16 am #22153znModeratorfrom off the net …. To me this post does not mean you shouldn’t draft linemen high. In fact this is a good year to do it (if there’s value of course). To me, this post is just a reminder that OLs also have guys who are not traditional high picks as part of the mix.
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here are the top 10 olines for 2015 according to a couple of sources that put together this type of info… the table shows the guy who started the most games at the given position for his team, the round he was drafted, and whether or not he was acquired from another team (red font). excluding left tackles, who are typically high picks, the rest of the field is made up of 15 guys taken in rounds 1 & 2 vs 25 guys taken in rounds 3 through udfa. in fact over 25% of the rest of the field were taken in rounds 5 or later. then there’s the dolphins’ offensive line, who folks rated as the league’s worst in 2015, which was made up of 3 first rounders and 2 second rounders.
April 6, 2015 at 2:16 am #22243znModeratorNew big merged thread all about this year’s OL crop.
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April 6, 2015 at 2:20 am #22244AgamemnonParticipantDante Fowler on facing La’El Collins: “I got tossed around”
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 4, 2015, 5:04 PM EDT
laelcollins APFlorida pass rusher Dante Fowler and LSU left tackle La’El Collins are both expected to be first-round picks at this months’ draft. But while Fowler is regarded as the better NFL prospect, he admits that it was Collins who played better when they went head-to-head in college.
Fowler told TheMMQB.com that when the two went head-to-head in 2013, it was a mismatch: Collins beat the crap out of him.
“That’s a bloodbath right there, me and La’el,” Fowler said. “We are cool with each other; we are good friends. I keep in contact with him. At the end of the day, I feel like that’s going to be my rival for my whole career, because he’s going to make his name for himself and he’s going to be a great offensive tackle. I actually knew who he was coming out of high school. He was a year above me, and I remember he was [one of the top] tackles coming out of high school. From watching his highlight tape, I knew he was nasty. My sophomore year, we went to Baton Rouge and played against LSU, and I’m not going to lie, I got my butt whooped. That was one of my worst games just because of how I got tossed around.”
Fowler said that butt-whooping he took from Collins in 2013 motivated him to work harder than ever in 2014. He said their second meeting was a more even matchup.
“I spent the whole last summer getting ready for La’el, I ain’t going to lie to you,” Fowler said. “I knew I was going to run into some pretty decent tackles, but the main motivation was from him getting after me my sophomore year. I had it marked on my calendar the day after my sophomore game. That whole week leading up to the game, it felt like it was a year. Saturday finally came, and I was a captain, and he was a captain, too. It felt like we were about to do a boxing match. The whole coin toss, when the referees were talking, I was staring him down and he was staring me down. So I already knew what I was getting myself into, and he knew what he was getting himself into. We went at it that game; we went at it like some bulls. I had some wins, and I had some losses. That’s just how it goes when the best of the best are playing against each other.”
Many mock drafts have Fowler going to Jacksonville with the third overall pick. Given how he played when the two went head-to-head, Collins shouldn’t be far behind that.
April 6, 2015 at 4:33 pm #22256AgamemnonParticipant2015 NFL Draft: Offensive line lacks stars but offers depth
By Frank Cooney | NFLDraftScout.com
April 1, 2015 8:46 am ETAfter a couple of years in which pass protectors were prized early picks, the 2015 NFL Draft class offers less star power but might provide decent depth on the offensive line.
According to ratings by NFLDraftScout.com, there may two offensive tackles among the first 10 players selected when the draft begins April 30 in Chicago. This follows two consecutive years in which that many tackles were taken among the first five picks.
The top tackle in 2015 figures to be Brandon Scherff, who hopes to hold up a long Iowa tradition of big blockers and La’el Collins, a mean-spirited lineman from LSU. A maximum of six tackles could be called in the first round and about 10 among the first 100 names called.
The first guard may not be selected until the middle of the second round, when South Carolina’s A. J. Cann is expected to be named, followed by Duke’s Laken Tomlinson.
In an unusual twist, two of the more intriguing linemen in this draft are centers, starting with Florida State’s versatile Cameron Erving, who may be one of the top tackles as well, and Oregon’s Hroniss Grasu, the real triggerman who kept up the pace of the Ducks’ fabled offense — all due respect to quarterback Marcus Mariota, Grasu’s receiver, as it were.
Here is a closer look at the top offensive linemen in the NFL’s 2015 draft (position rating/overall rating. Player, college, height, weight, 40-yard time, projected round. *=underclassman):
OFFENSIVE TACKLES
1/8. Brandon Scherff, Iowa, 6-5, 319, 5.00, 1
Big Iowa tradition: This latest Iowa gift for the NFL plays as if he began preparing for the job when he was born the day after Christmas, 1991. He will be Iowa’s fourth offensive lineman selected in the first round since 2004, following Robert Gallery, Bryan Bulaga and Riley Reiff. Scherff is unanimously acknowledged as the most NFL-ready offensive lineman in the draft, and a coach’s dream, but there is no consensus on what position he should play. He could use his broad shoulders and toughness at guard, where he played as a freshman, or show his excellent technique at tackle, where he lined up on the left side the rest of his college career and was named consensus All-America and winner of the Outland Trophy last season as the best college lineman. Those who want him inside are concerned he lacks the quick feet and long arms needed against the NFL’s fast pass rushers. As a sophomore, he suffered a broken fibula and dislocated ankle, but this tough guy missed only one day of practice after a procedure on knee last year. Scherff first showed diverse athletic ability at Dennison (Iowa) High School in a football career that included 1,200 yards passing as a 280-pound sophomore quarterback; 200 yards and five touchdowns receiving as a junior and then, playing both sides of the line, he led the team in tackling and blocking. Scherff also starred in baseball, tennis and was the state shot put champion as a sophomore.Measuring up: Although a hamstring injury limited Scherff’s workout at the combine, he grabbed attention with the biggest hands in the draft (11 inches, tied with four others), although they are on arms a bit shorter than desirable (33 3/8th inches) for a lineman. He ran 40 yards once (5.05 seconds) before hamstring issues cut his workout short. At his March 23 pro day, Scherff launched that massive body 32 inches in vertical jump and benched 225 pounds 28 times.
Notable quote: “I don’t think there would be a challenge. I like run blocking. It would be a little closer. You’re getting a little help from the center also. I think it would be a smooth move for me. Like I said I’ll be happy to play wherever they want me to play.” — Scherff, when asked how he would feel about playing guard in the NFL.
Frankly: Physically, mentally and emotionally Scherff is exactly what a coach wants in an offensive lineman. Draft him and then figure out where he can best help.
Peavy (USATSI) La’el Collins’ ferocious style on the field should make him a leader in the locker room as well. (USATSI)
2/10. La’el Collins, LSU, 6-4, 305, 5.12, 1
The Eliminator: Collins has three styles of play: mean, meaner and meanest as he not only blocks defenders, he often eliminates them. Coaches credit Collins with 222.5 knockdowns in 45 games. He has the potential to play right tackle or either guard position in the NFL, but does not have the pass-blocking ability needed to be a left tackle. On running plays, Collins launches his broad, muscular frame straight forward with alarming quickness, then engages the strength of his lower body and massive hands (10 3/4 inches). Although he can get to the next level, he is not nimble enough to be an effective open-field blocker. Collins is improving as a pass blocker, but too much aggression and not enough balance make him susceptible to both speed rushers and end/tackle games that require patience he does not have.Measuring up: At his March 27 pro day, Collins crushed the scales at 320 pounds, up from 305 at the combine. Could mean he leaned out for speed and agility in workouts, but the added weight should be a plus. Only his hands were remarkable at the combine (10 3/8th inches), as his other marks were marginally acceptable — 40 yards in 5.12 seconds (10 in 1.75), vertical jump of 27 inches, broad jump of 9-feet even and 21 reps on the bench with 225 pounds was less than expected after watching his ferocity on the field.
Notable quote: “When I started playing football, I started playing defense and made the transition to playing offense in high school. I’ve always had the mentality of a defensive lineman, and I was able to bring that over to the offense, but also bring intelligence over to play offensive line. For me to go out there with that mentality and just get after it is something I bring to the table.” — Collins, explaining he can fit into any system.
Frankly: Collins should be a respected team leader in the locker room, especially when he takes charge on the field with an aggressive approach that reflects his background on defense. If he can’t make it at tackle he will be a great guard.
3/19. *Andrus Peat, Stanford, 6-7, 313, 5.18, 1
Hoops helped: Peat is proof that basketball experience helps develop the great footwork necessary to be a pass-blocking offensive tackle. The quick feet that helped lead Corona del Sol High School to a Division 1 Arizona State basketball championship, served Peat well at Stanford’s left tackle spot, where he won the Morris Trophy last season as the best lineman in the Pac-12, per votes by opposing players. Scouts suggest Peat lacks a mean streak or toughness, but they rave about that agile footwork and ability to slide and glide into the face of pass rushers. However, he had one nightmarish game against Utah’s pass-rushing outside linebacker Nate Orchard that remains a bad chapter on his resume. When Peat is drafted in the first round, he will have bragging rights at home where his father, Todd, was only an 11th-round pick as an offensive lineman out of Northern Illinois in 1987 and played a total of seven years for the St. Louis/Phoenix Cardinals and Los Angeles Raiders.Measuring up: At combine, Peat stood exactly 1/8th inch under 6-foot-7 with a wing span of 80 2/4 inches and large hands (10 5/8 inches), all of which are good for a pass blocker. Decent 40 yards at 5.18 seconds (10 in 1.81), vertical jump of 31 inches and broad jump of 8-feet-9 inches.
Notable quote: “The pro style scheme has really prepared me. It’s a great culture of offensive linemen: David DeCastro, Cameron Fleming, David Yankey. My coaches have prepared me.” — Peat at combine, discussing his Stanford experience.
Frankly: Peat may be the best ready-to-go, pass-blocking tackle in this draft and should have a better career than his dad. Now let’s see how little brother Cassius, an outside linebacker, does after signing with Ohio State in January.
4/21. *Ereck Flowers, Miami (Fla.), 6-6, 329, 5.31, 1
Mean Mauler: Flowers knows how to use his humongous frame to block for both the pass and the run. He shows excellent football instincts as a pass protector with experience on the left side, but at his core Flowers is mean-spirited mauler who loves to out-muscle defenders until the whistle stops blowing. The only real concern about Flowers is the possibility of any lingering effects from a knee injury last season, although he showed his already well-known toughness and dedication by missing only one game following a so-called minor surgical procedure. If doctors give Flowers clearance, some teams may be willing to call his name in the middle of the first round.Measuring up: One look and the word massive comes to mind, at 1/4 inch over 6-feet-6 and a wide 329 pounds that stretches 83 1/4 inches in wingspan. Flowers’ 37 reps on the bench with 225 pounds is even more impressive considering his long arms (34 1/2 inches). Foot speed is average with a 40-yard time of 5.21 seconds (10 in 1.90). He did not do jumps or shuttle at combine.
Notable quote: “We run the zone block in Miami, we run man, that’s what Miami does and I think that’s why Miami’s been successful in the NFL. Our coaches do a good job emulating the stuff they’re doing in the NFL and college so we ran man, zone so I’ll be fine wherever I go.”
Frankly: A big man among big men, Flowers shows good instincts as a pass blocker, but admits he enjoys run blocking and that is evident in his play. If his knee is OK, the only problems he may have will be against elite speed rushers — same as even the best tackles in the league.
5/31. T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh, 6-5, 309, 5.12, 1-2
Promising prospect: Clemmings’ high ratings as a pro prospect are based almost entirely on projection, not production. That’s pretty much the same position he was in coming out of high school. Per his mother’s wishes, Clemmings didn’t play football until his junior year in high school and he showed just enough for Pittsburgh to offer him a scholarship, although as a defensive end. It is noteworthy he played basketball all through high school and was offered scholarships by Providence, Seton Hall and Rutgers. Instead, he played defensive end as a true freshman at Pittsburgh, then red-shirted in 2011. At the end of 2012 he practiced at offensive tackle, but didn’t play in a game. In 2013 his athletic ability was obvious at offensive tackle, but he was inconsistent. Last season, Clemmings had more problems with the snap count (seven false starts) than defenders, who he mauled on runs, especially. His pass blocking is a work in progress, which was obvious at the Senior Bowl workouts. But his athleticism and upside are tremendous, as noted at the combine.Measuring up: With the second widest wing span (85 7/8ths inches) and second longest arms (35 1/8th inches) at the combine, Clemmings is impressive just standing there. He looked even better on the move — 40 yards in 5.14 seconds (10 in 1.82), a 32.5-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-3 inch broad jump and, as evidence of great agility and quickness, 4.54 seconds in the shuttle and 7.68 seconds in the three-cone drills.
Notable quote: “It doesn’t bother me. If that is what they feel then that’s fine. I only had two years on the offensive line under my belt and that’s not going to change from now to the draft. I need some work in some things and I am not afraid of that. I am ready to work on things that people feel I need to work on.” — Clemmings, at combine, when asked how he feels when described as “raw.”
Frankly: Clemmings is an interesting project who should not be expected to play left tackle any time soon and may need time to be reliable at right tackle. On the right team, with good coaching and patience, he has the potential to be outstanding.
6/38. Jake Fisher, Oregon, 6-6, 306, 4.97, 1-2
Technically speaking: Fisher has some interesting physical abilities, but seems to know he is not an elite athlete and prides himself on learning and perfecting techniques, which he works on with San Francisco 49ers veteran tackle Joe Staley. They are both former high school tight ends from Michigan. After playing as a backup guard during his freshman year, Fisher became starting right tackle in 2012 and in 2013 was considered the anchor for an offensive line that helped Oregon’s up-tempo offense lead the Pac-12 in rushing (273.5 yards per game), total offense (565 yards per game and scoring (45.5 points per game). Oregon’s line was in disarray due to injuries last year and when starter Tyler Johnstone was sidelined for the year, Fisher moved from right to left tackle, where he started 13 games despite missing time with an ACL injury and was named to the All-Pac 12 first team.Measuring up: Although he has big hands (10 3/8ths inches), they are on the end of arms shorter than preferred for an offensive tackle (33 3/4 inches). At the combine he showed excellent speed (40 yards in 5.01 seconds, third best among offensive linemen) and agility (20-yard shuttle in 4.33 seconds, by far the best among offensive linemen). He added a 32.5-inch vertical jump and benched 225 pounds 25 times.
Notable quote: “I think that’s what I bring to a team. I bring a practice style that doesn’t quit the whole game. We have a special game up at Oregon. I bring that to my next team, a practice style that can help other guys work harder, prepare themselves better.” — Fisher at combine, when asked how Oregon’s up-tempo play impacted him.
Frankly: Fisher is a vocal leader who will set a mad pace with his work ethic on the field, in the film room and in the weight room. At the very least he should be a reliable starter for as long as he stays healthy in the NFL.
7/49. *D.J. Humphries, Florida, 6-5, 307, 5.06, 2
Limps into NFL: After ending his last two seasons early with a knee injury, Humphries apparently thought it is time to at least get paid for his pain. Obviously, Humphries will need to be more durable to stay on the payroll in the NFL. He is still riding on a phenomenal reputation from Mallard Creek High School in Charlotte, N.C., where he did not allow a sack in three seasons and in 2011 won the Anthony Munoz Award as the best prep lineman in the country. When he is healthy, Humphries displays excellent athletic ability, quickness, balance and strength. He has quick anticipation, sets hard and fast or explodes out to pick up a fast edge rusher. NFL advisory board suggested that he return to college for another year, but Humphries said “I just felt it was my time.”Measuring up: After knee, ankle injuries in September, Humphries got ready for the combine and it showed. At exactly 6-foot-5 inches, 307 pounds he ran 40 yards in 5.12 seconds (10 in 1.84), benched 225 pounds 26 times, and added a vertical jump of 31 inches.
Notable quote: “I think my fluid athletic ability sets me apart from other guys. There’s a lot of guys that are very athletic just like I am but I think I’m very fluid in how athletic I am. I think my pass-protecting skill is kind of my main thing that’s going to make me stick out. How quick I can get to the second level and get on linebackers and get to safeties.” — Humphries at combine, when asked what sets him apart.
Frankly: When healthy, Humphries is football’s version of The Natural (a movie about a baseball pitcher), whose instincts are remarkable in one of the game’s most difficult tasks — pass blocking. His biggest problems are staying healthy and keeping weight on. If he beats those problems there is no telling how good he will be.
8/71. Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State, 6-6, 311, 5.31, 2-3
Pick-a-Sport: This big boy’s unusual athleticism might best be reflected when he does back flips and freestyle tricks skiing, a sport in which he won the USSA titles in the Far West Division for his age group in the slalom and giant slalom. In football, Sambrailo helped turn around the sagging football program at St. Francis Central Coast Catholic High in the little seaside town of Watsonville (Calif.). He was a three-year team captain, played offensive tackle, defensive end, defensive tackle, tight end and placekicker for the Sharks, who advanced to the CIF north Division II playoffs in both 2008 and 2009. Oh yes, he also played soccer and as a junior made second-team all-conference as a kicker in football. At Colorado State, he continued to impress with his overall athleticism as a key blocker in a prolific offense. He has the footwork and agility to be an NFL tackle but may be moved to guard. Only stain on career is 2012 St. Patrick’s Day party that got out of hand and Sambrailo was stabbed in the back (required 14 staples), but he is well-liked by teammates who voted him captain last year.Measuring up: His feel for the sport — almost any sport — doesn’t seem quantifiable. He had decent results at combine, including a sluggish 40-yard dash of 5.36 seconds (decent 10 in 1.80), vertical jump of only 29 inches and benched 225 pounds 23 times. His arms are shorter than desired for a tackle (33 inches).
Notable quote: “As a family we did all right athletically. My sister played Oregon State volleyball, my brother was a competitive skier, dad pole vaulted, my mom did a lot of different things athletically. Don’t know where it came from or why it’s here; we have good genes, I guess.” — Sambrailo at combine, discussing his family’s active and diverse athletic background, although he didn’t mention that his grandfather, Bill, played football at Santa Clara.
Frankly: Sambrailo is that guy who picks up any sport with disgusting ease, but that isn’t enough in the NFL. Still, he adds an intense, competitive attitude with a work-all-day ethic and natural leadership and what team doesn’t want all that?
9/96. Daryl Williams, Oklahoma, 6-5, 327, 5.34, 3
Mr. Outside or Inside?: Although Williams’ thick body and initial quickness are impressive, he doesn’t really show the elite footwork necessary to cope with pass rushers in the NFL. After being exposed by speedy defenders at the Senior Bowl workouts, there was talk among scouts who feel Williams may be a more reliable guard in the NFL. Certainly his natural mass, great strength and powerful drive blocking would be definite assets on the inside. Still, Williams has a great understanding of pass protection although he sometimes can’t transfer his film study to the field and can get crossed up by stunts or left a step behind by quick pass rushers.Measuring up: His best quantifiable trait for a tackle are those long arms (34 3/4 inches), which help compensate for average foot speed (40 yards in 5.34 seconds; 10 in 1.83). His vertical jump was below average at 26 inches, but he did well on the bench, with 27 reps (225 pounds).
Notable quote: “Williams is also a powerful drive blocker. … does not possess ideal quickness to combat NFL speed rushers but he’s so long and balanced, he can remain outside.”– NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst Rob Rang, reporting from the Senior Bowl practice.
Frankly: We know he can play right tackle and probably would be a reliable guard, but in an emergency his pass blocking experience and long arms might be good to have on the roster.
10/99. Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M, 6-5, 306, 4.98, 3
Bad Timing: Everybody had Ogbuehi projected as a first round draft pick until he blew out his knee (ACL)in the Liberty Bowl. In fact, he was rated as a first round prospect for the 2014 draft, but returned for a senior year and moved from right to left tackle. The season was not a raging success as he appeared to be playing in manner that seemed he was trying to avoid injury rather than go all out. So the injury was all the more ironic. He was expected to be the third left tackle from Texas A&M in three years to go in the first round. Instead he joined the previous two — Luke Joeckel and Jake Matthews — on the Walter Camp All-America team. When healthy, Ogbuehi is a powerful run blocker and agile, athletic pass blocker, but isn’t considered an enforcer, especially off his measured, 2014 season performances. He has experience at guard and depending on how he plays after rehab, that may be handy.Measuring Up: Although the only work he could do at the combine was bench press 225 pounds, which he did 23 times. However, his measurements were excellent, especially long arms (35 7/8 inches) and big hands (10 inches).
Notable quote: “I haven’t reached my potential yet, and just with my arms and my feet, once I reach my potential it’ll be fun to see. I’ll be a guy that can come in and protect (Matthew) Stafford. That’s the No. 1 goal protect the quarterback. I can be here for a long time.” — Ogbuehi, during his visit to the Detroit Lions.
Frankly: Some teams think that the tepid play in his “college contract year” might be a window into his soul and question Ogbuehi’s commitment to the game, but such thoughts are counter to the NFL’s safety initiative. He showed plenty of ability over the years and the magic of modern medicine should make Ogbuehi almost whole again, but maybe not physically and mentally until the 2016 season.
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11/104. Donovan Smith, Penn State, 6-6, 338, 5.18, 3-4
12/115. Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin, 6-7, 321, 5.41, 3-4
13/134. Tyrus Thompson, Oklahoma, 6-5, 324, 5.35, 4
14/154. Austin Shepherd, Alabama, 6-4, 315, 5.37, 4-5
15/166. Sean Hickey, Syracuse, 6-5, 309, 5.14, 5
16/191. Terry Poole, San Diego State, 6-5, 307, 5.08, 5-6
17/200. Andrew Donnal, Iowa, 6-6, 313, 5.30, 6
18/203. Corey Robinson, South Carolina, 6-7, 324, 5.33, 6
19/236. Laurence Gibson, Virginia Tech, 6-6, 305, 5.03, 6-7
20/252. Doniel Gambrell, Notre Dame (OH), 6-5, 306, 5.27, 7
21/272. Eric Lefeld, Cincinnati, 6-6, 310, 5.22, 7-FA
22/287. Jamon Brown, Louisville, 6-4, 323, 5.08, 7-FA
23/295. Cameron Clear, Texas AM, 6-5, 277, 4.87, 7-FA
24/313. Takoby Cofield, Duke, 6-4, 310, 5.15, 7-FA
25/320. Trent Brown, Florida, 6-8, 355, 5.21, 7-FA
26/333. Jake Rodgers, Eastern Washington, 6-5, 315, 5.24, 7-FA
27/351. Chaz Green, Florida, 6-5, 314, 5.12,
28/367. Mickey Baucus, Arizona, 6-6, 298, 5.46,OFFENSIVE GUARDS
1/43. A.J. Cann, South Carolina, 6-3, 313, 5.18, 2
Cann Can: Starting with a career at Bamberg-Ehrhardt High School in South Carolina in which he did not give up a sack, Cann maintained his momentum at South Carolina after redshirting in 2010. Since then he started in 52 of the team’s 52 games. He is a no-nonsense, blue collar, in-your-face offensive guard. By last season he was the unquestioned leader of the offensive line and was named first-team All-America by The Sporting News, ESPN.com and CBS Sports. His 51 starts are the second most in school history behind only T.J. Johnson’s 53. His brute force should not be wasted on some zone blocking front line that relies on precise choreography. Cann doesn’t sweat the small details, he just eradicates whoever is in front of him.Measuring up: Defenders will attest to his strong, big hands (10 1/8th inches) and powerful punch (26 reps on bench with 225 pounds). His jumps were average, 28.5 inches in the vertical and 8-feet-5 inches in broad. Speed in 40 yards was decent at 5.18 seconds (10 in 1.80).
Notable quote: “I think I play at a very low level, and I think I’m athletic and strong. For a guard, I think I’m really athletic. I’m quick, and I think I can basically block anybody if I put my mind to it. I’ll do whatever I’ve got to do.” — Cann at combine, describing his own style of play.
Frankly: A brutish bull of a man whose strength and abilities are perfect to play guard in the NFL. He is responsible on an off the field, Cann has a degree in African-American Studies and went on a mission to Israel before his senior season.
2/53. Laken Tomlinson, Duke, 6-3, 323, 5.31, 2
Island Import: Born in Jamaica, Tomlinson relocated to the US when he was 10 and didn’t play football until he was a freshman at Lane Technical High School in Chicago. He picked up the game so well that Duke recruited him as both an offensive and defensive lineman and waited to see how he turned out. After some adjustment, Tomlinson started and starred at right guard in 52 games over the last four years and was a three-time All-ACC first-team selection. He appears to be perfectly constructed for an NFL guard with thick hips and a broad upper body that is difficult to neutralize. But he seems a bit robotic at times and it will be interesting to see how he adapts to taking on more athletic defenders in the NFL. He did impress at Senior Bowl workouts showing expected power against bull rush, but surprising lateral quickness in pass protection.
Tomlinson is already looking beyond football and intends to enter medical school to become a neurosurgeon.Measuring up: In his March 25 pro day, Tomlinson improved some of his combine marks, including the 40-yard dash (5.16 seconds on hand held watch at pro day; 5.33 electronic time at combine). At combine he showed his sheer size is a great start with an 82 1/2 inch wingspan and big hands (10 1/4 inches). He benched 225 pounds 25 times and had a vertical jump of 31.5 inches.
Notable quote: “Concussions in the NFL can lead to depression, especially in high impact positions. Wide receivers and running backs, those guys are prone to more low-impact collisions than anyone else in the game. So the research that’s going on right now adds more to the knowledge at hand.” — Tomlinson at combine, when discussing his ambition to be a neurosurgeon.
Frankly: Although Duke is better known for producing NBA guards, Tomlinson should be one of only four Blue Devil alums to play more than 50 games in NFL. Tomlinson will start as soon as he shows he can cope with the speed and athleticism of NFL players.
3/68. Tre Jackson, Florida State, 6-4, 330, 5.49, 2-3
Mighty Martrevius: Full bodied Martrevius “Tre” Jackson may have the best raw ability of any guard in the draft, but this massive man must improve his technique in the NFL, where he will no longer be able to simply outmuscle opponents. As a key blocker for quarterback Jameis Winston, Jackson man-handled most defenders during his 42 games as a starter. He was All-ACC in 2013 and consensus All-America as a senior.Measuring up: At the combine his announced time on 40-yard dash was 5.52 seconds, but his best time on hand held watches was 4.49. He was able to get that big body 25 inches off the ground in vertical jump but looked more at home pumping 225 pounds on the bench, 25 times.
Notable quote: “I’m a power blocker. . . to make my game better, I need to improve my pass blocking to play at a high level.” — Jackson at combine on his best traits and areas that need work.
Frankly: Jackson is a game-day mauler who obviously is no gymnast in a combine setting. His future success will depend on how much he wants to work on details and technique because he cannot rely on simply overpowering everybody at the next level.
4/80. Ali Marpet, Hobart, 6-4, 307, 4.96, 2-3
Ready to step up: Marpet is a first class pro prospect from a Division III school that never had a football player taken in the draft. After starting every game for the last three seasons and dominating defenders in his division, Marpet answered a few questions during Senior Bowl practices. NFLDraftScout.com senior analyst’s report from Mobile, Ala. that week: “arguably the most pleasant surprise of the 2015 Senior Bowl. All week long, the former Statesman left tackle demonstrated impressive strength, balance and toughness despite making the jump from Division III and switching inside to guard.” Hobart is an intense competitor who many rated as an over-achiever, which may have been a misdirected backhand slap for a player who keeps showing more athletic ability than anybody expected.Measuring up: At 1/8th inch under 6-foot-4 inches and 307 pounds, Marpet put on a great show at the Indianapolis combine with the fastest 40-yard run of all offensive linemen (4.98 seconds; 10 in 1.71) and his 4.47 seconds in the short shuttle and 4.33 in the three-cone were second only to Oregon’s Jake Fisher. He added a vertical jump of 30.5 inches and a broad jump of 9 feet, just to demonstrate his explosion.
Notable quote: “Usually during the season, I lose seven pounds. We did a BodPod test, which is a body fat test, and it showed that if I just laid in bed for 24 hours, I’d be wasting 3,500 calories. So, just sitting around, I need to eat 3,500 calories a day to maintain my body weight. When I’m exercising, I need 7,000-plus to maintain, and if I want to gain weight, I need 8-9,000 calories. That’s not easy.” — Marpet at combine, explaining how attention to detail includes eating for a big athlete.
Frankly: Marpet said he had more trouble with new nomenclature than he did Division I athletes at Senior Bowl, which may be a hint that this big guy is ready for the big time. Given time to digest somebody’s playbook, Marpet could become a surprise star out of this draft.
5/83. Arie Kouandjio, Alabama, 6-5, 310, 5.43, 3
Oh, Brother: A redshirt senior, Kouandjio is the older brother of Buffalo Bills’ second round pick (No. 44 overall) Cyrus Kouandjio. They formed the left side of Alabama’s offensive line in 2013. Like his brother, Arie looks the part of an early round draft pick, with broad shoulders, long arms and tree trunks for legs. He flashes impressive initial quickness. Kouandjio can maul opponents in the running game. Also like his brother, Arie has technical flaws and, perhaps most important, medical questions (missed 2011 season after knee injury and had multiple surgeries on each knee). Kouandjio relies on his initial punch to knock defenders off balance and doesn’t keep his feet moving, too often failing to latch on and keep his feet shuffling to truly mirror opponents. Further, he missed virtually all of the 2011 season with a knee injury. He played 10 games in 2012 and became a starter in 2013.Measuring up: At Indianapolis combine, Kouandjio exacerbated concerns about his knees when he opted not to work out, but measured 6-foot-4 3/4 inches, 310 pounds with a huge wingspan (84 3/8th inches) and hands (10 7/8th inches). At his March 11 pro day ran 40 yards in 5.47 and 5.46 seconds, had a 25-inch vertical jump and 8-foot-4 inch broad jump.
Notable quote: “My knees are very strong. I just let (NFL teams) know that. Dr. Cain up in Birmingham, Dr. Lyle Cain, did a great job … and it’s been good.” — Kouandjio at his pro day, trying to calm concerns about his knees.
Frankly: If and when to pick this big blocker should be determined mostly by the medical staff. When healthy he certainly shows NFL ability.
6/97. John Miller, Louisville, 6-2, 303, 5.24, 3
Go East-West, young man: Despite gaining a national reputation at Miami’s Central High School as a ferocious blocker and playing extremely well at Louisville his entire career, Miller was seldom mentioned as a pro prospect until this year. Slighted by the Senior Bowl, Miller went to the East-West Shrine Game and received rave reviews in practice and in the game. He was especially impressive as a trap blocker and getting to the next level. That sent scouts scurrying back to films of those 47 games he started at Louisville. His excellent technique and efficiency of movement more than compensated for his lack of elite athletic ability.
Measuring up: Except for 29 reps on the bench with 225 pounds, Miller’s combine results were average with a 40 yard time of 5.33 seconds (10 in 1.84), a vertical jump of 27 inches, broad jump of 8-feet-8 inches and a decent shuttle (4.75 seconds). He is a bit short, at exactly 6-feet-1/2 inch with a wing span of 81 inches and hands at 10 1/4 inches.
Notable quote: “Miller has the relative low center of gravity and thick base that scouts look for in interior lineman and has long enough arms (33″). In pass protection, he showed balance and reasonably light feet to mirror, as well as strong hands to latch and control.” — NFLDraftScout.com’s Rob Rang on Miller’s East-West game performance.
Frankly: OK, the secret is out and Miller should be worth a third round pick for a team looking for a reliable, blue collar interior lineman.
Also:
7/120. Josue Matias, Florida State, 6-5, 309, 5.52, 3-4
8/133. Mitch Morse, Missouri, 6-5, 305, 5.14, 4
9/152. Jamil Douglas, Arizona State, 6-4, 304, 5.18, 4-5
10/178. Robert Myers, Tennessee State, 6-5, 326, 5.37, 5-6
11/185. *Jeremiah Poutasi, Utah, 6-5, 335, 5.32, 5-6
12/207. Ben Beckwith, Mississippi State, 6-4, 317, 5.24, 6
13/232. Adam Shead, Oklahoma, 6-4, 338, 5.71, 6-7
14/240. Miles Dieffenbach, Penn State, 6-3, 305, 5.29, 7
15/253. Jon Feliciano, Miami (FL), 6-4, 323, 5.33, 7
16/273. Jarvis Harrison, Texas AM, 6-4, 330, 5.18, 7-FA
17/292. Mark Glowinski, West Virginia, 6-4, 307, 5.17, 7-FA
18/306. Tayo Fabuluje, Texas Christian, 6-6, 353, 5.53, 7-FA
19/326. Al Bond, Memphis, 6-4, 303, 5.54, 7-FA
20/348. Matt Rotheram, Pittsburgh, 6-5, 339, 5.53, 7-FACENTERS
1/25. Cameron Erving, Florida State, 6-5, 313, 5.09, 1
Center of attention: A two-time winner of the ACC’s Jacobs Blocking Trophy — first at left tackle, then at center. Erving expands the definition of versatility. After redshirting in 2010 with back problems, Erving played as defensive lineman in 2011. Ervin found his calling in the spring of 2012 when he was moved to offensive tackle because the team needed somebody to protect quarterback EJ Manuel’s blind side, which Erving did surprisingly well. After earning numerous honors in 2013 protecting quarterback Jameis Winston, Erving considered the draft but returned for one more season, and one more position. He was needed as a center when starter Austin Barron broke his arm October 4 against Wake Forest. Erving was a key in the November comeback victory over Miami.Measuring up: Fully equipped to play anywhere along the offensive line, a bit tall for a center at exactly 6-foot-5 1/2 inches, 313 pounds with a large wingspan (84 1/8th inches) and big hands (10 3/4 inches). He ran 40 yards in 5.15 seconds (10 in 1.87), benched 225 pounds 30 times and had a vertical jump of 30.5 inches.
Notable quote: “Honestly when I made the switch a lot of people asked me how I felt about it in terms of the NFL. That wasn’t on my mind. I mean, I’ve always been the type of person that does what’s best for the team. When I moved from defense (after freshman season) that was what was best for the team. As far as moving from tackle to center it’s what the team needed at the time. So I did it.” — Erving at the combine, talking about his move from left tackle to center last year and insisting he doesn’t care what position he plays.
Frankly: Quick, draft Erving and then worry about the details, like what position he plays.
2/59. Hroniss Grasu, Oregon, 6-3, 297, 5.12, 2
Romanian Ruler: Grasu is a highly respected, go-to leader on Oregon’s offensive line whose sage advice is sought and heeded. He is the son of parents who emigrated from Romania to escape that country’s infamous austerity policy in the 1970s-80s. Grasu cherished his grandfather, known as Papu, who died eight years ago, for his character, work ethic and an approach to life sets him apart. Grasu’s athleticism is also genetic; his mother a star goalie for the Romanian handball team and his father a stunt man specializing in dangerous horsemanship. After showing his own exceptional athletic ability while starting 50 games, Grasu injured his leg last November and missed three contests but returned to play in Rose Bowl win over Florida (59-20), then the National Championship loss to Ohio State (42-40). Grasu uses agility, awareness and quick feet to compensate for the lack of raw power.Measuring up: Grasu weighed in at 297 pounds and was exactly 6-foot-3 inches with short arms (32 1/8th inches), narrow wing span (77 1/2 inches) but average hands (10 1/4 inches) at combine. But he was still rehabbing from injury and could not work out. At his March 12 pro day, Grasu showed his speed (40 yards in 5.01 seconds) and agility (short shuttle in 4.20 seconds, 3-cone in 7.84 seconds). In spring workouts he benched 400 pounds and had vertical jump of 27 inches.
Notable quote: “I think of what they must have gone through, and it makes me appreciate them even more. Everything I do is to put a smile on their face and to show how much I appreciate them.” — Grasu, discussing his family’s dangerous escape from oppressive life in Romania.
Frankly: The medics need to weigh in on the long-term stability of Grasu’s leg, but when he was healthy, that fast, fluid athletic ability was obvious. Mature beyond his years, this is the kind of leader every team wants in the locker room.
3/77. Reese Dismukes, Auburn, 6-3, 296, 5.30, 2-3
Weighting results: Listed as the nation’s top center prospect coming out of Spanish Fort High School in Alabama, Dismukes (pronounced ‘dis-myooks’) lived up to those rave notices at Auburn despite a notable lack of size and almost jumped into the 2014 NFL draft. He returned to improve his technique, but he still had trouble coping with powerful nose tackles, which scouts still noted at the Senior Bowl workouts. But he definitely has the drive and ability to fit into the right offense. Dismukes was suspended at the beginning of his sophomore season in 2012 after an arrest for public intoxication.Measuring up: This is the root of Dismukes’ challenge, a lack of size in a big man’s position. His strength and speed are also below average. At the combine, he was the lightest offensive lineman at 296 pounds. At 6-foot-2 3/4 inches his height is acceptable, but he needs to work hard to overcome short arms (32 1/4 inches) and very small hands (8 7/8 inches). His speed is also average (40 yards in 5.31 seconds; 10 in only 1.91). Dismukes managed 23 reps on the bench with 225 pounds.
Notable quote: “Dismukes is strong enough to drive defenders off the ball but is best suited to a zone-blocking scheme where he can fully take advantage of his efficient movement to turn and seal defenders from the action.” — Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com’s senior analyst.
Frankly: Dismukes is not a fit for just any team. Although he held his own in a tough conference, Dismukes needs to be drafted by a team that is looking for an alert technician rather than a brutish blocker.
Also:
4/109. B.J. Finney, Kansas State, 6-4, 318, 5.25, 3-4
5/146. Andy Gallik, Boston College, 6-2, 306, 5.43, 4-5
6/173. Shaquille Mason, Georgia Tech, 6-2, 310, 5.27, 5
7/226. Greg Mancz, Toledo, 6-4, 301, 5.08, 6-7
8/274. Shane McDermott, Miami (FL), 6-4, 302, 5.21, 7-FA
9/296. Dillon Day, Mississippi State, 6-4, 305, 5.26, 7-FA
10/323. David Andrews, Georgia, 6-3, 294, 5.12, 7-FA
11/338. Brandon Vitabile, Northwestern (IL), 6-2, 304, 5.20, 7-FAApril 6, 2015 at 8:57 pm #22274znModeratorDeciding where college tackles fit on NFL offensive lines is no simple task
by Doug Farrar
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/04/03/nfl-draft-podcast-offensive-tackles-brandon-scherff-lael-collins
The two best rookie guards of 2014 were tackles on their college teams. Cowboys right guard Zack Martin was Notre Dame’s starting left tackle for three seasons, but his relatively limited athleticism projected him better as a guard. At the Senior Bowl, Martin lined up at guard and impressed the league enough for the Cowboys to take him with the 16th overall pick in the draft, marking the third time in four years that Dallas took an offensive lineman in the first round (Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick in 2011 and 2013, respectively). Martin was plugged in at right guard and immediately became the power pointman of an offensive line that re-defined the Cowboys’ running game, paving the way for DeMarco Murray to lead the league with 392 carries, 1,845 yards and 13 touchdowns.
The Browns face discouraging early returns on their two first-round draft picks in 2014—quarterback Johnny Manziel and cornerback Justin Gilbert are works-in-progress, at best—but they got it right in the second round when they selected Nevada tackle Joel Bitonio with the 35th pick. Like Martin, Bitonio had started his career taking snaps at guard but became the Wolf Pack’s starting left tackle in 2011 and never relinquished that job. Bitonio had the athleticism to play left tackle in the NFL, but his relatively short arms presented an issue, and the Browns saw him as their left guard of the future, lining up between two Pro Bowl-level players in left tackle Joe Thomas and center Alex Mack. As it turned out, the future was now for Bitonio; he excelled in his new role from the start, and there are some who believe he was even more effective than Martin was.
It’s a question personnel people have to ask themselves every draft season: Are the best tackle prospects better staying put or moving inside? It’s fairly common to take tackles with shorter arms, thicker midsections and less impressive movement skills and kick them in to the guard position, but the successful transitions are about more than taking a pudgy guy and changing his roster designation.
As Greg Cosell of NFL Films and ESPN’s NFL Matchup said in our most recent draft podcast, the evaluation process for NFL tackles is far from a uniform template, which complicates matters in studying the draft’s top offensive tackle prospects.
“It’s a great question, but it’s multi-faceted,” Cosell said. “If you think about the NFL—and that’s what we’re doing, we’re projecting these players to the NFL—there are a number of tackles in the NFL, even left tackles, if you were evaluating them now … you might say, ‘They’re not really NFL left tackles, but they’re playing left tackle in the NFL.’ You could argue that Andrew Whitworth, who is a very good NFL left tackle, fits that category. There are others who aren’t dancing bears. And I think when people think of left tackles, they like to think of really good athletes with really light, quick feet. But there just aren’t that many Walter Joneses and Orlando Paces out there.”
Whitworth, who has alternated between guard and tackle throughout his nine seasons with the Bengals, gave up the fewest total pressures of any starting left tackle in 2014, per Pro Football Focus: no sacks, one quarterback hit and eight quarterback hurries. Whitworth was able to do this without excellent speed or an optimal kick-step in pass protection because he’s an adept technician and an intense competitor who understands leverage and angles.
Whitworth is proof positive that not every successful NFL left tackle looks like a successful NFL left tackle. Iowa’s Brandon Scherff, who stands 6’5″ and weighs 319 pounds, could go either way. He may not be agile enough for teams that feature a quick-passing offense with fewer in-line tight end and multiple protections, but a balanced team like the Bengals—who found different kinds of value in Whitworth—might see him as the perfect edge protector. Like those before him, Scherff benefited from instruction at Iowa that is rich in fundamentals. It makes him more pro-ready, but he’s also been hit with the low ceiling label.
“You have to think when you watch a guy play … let’s take Brandon Scherff,” Cosell said. “He’s typical of this Iowa line of left tackles over the years. Bryan Bulaga came out of Iowa, he’s playing right tackle for Green Bay. Riley Reiff came out of Iowa, he’s playing left tackle for Detroit. When I look at Brandon Scherff, I would not say that he’s a dancing bear. If you’re looking for that ideal left tackle series of traits, I don’t think he’s that guy. But that doesn’t mean that he can’t play left tackle in the NFL, depending on what team takes him, and how that team runs an offense.”
Most agree that the top two tackles in the 2015 draft are Scherff and LSU’s La’el Collins. Collins is a different player—at 6’4″ and 305 pounds, he plays with tremendous in-line power and strength. But he’ll lunge at targets in space, he tends to let defenders roll off him because he has difficulty sustaining blocks and he may not be quick enough to adjust to inside counters and certain speed moves.
“I made the point in my notes that he was a badass as a run blocker,” Cosell said. “And that’s kind of what he is. But I think overall, he does have a desirable combination of natural power and athleticism. He took defensive linemen to the ground. He stayed on them. He was explosive off the ball. Now, you could also make the point that there were times when he fell off blocks. He’s clearly comfortable and powerful and explosive as a run-blocker. That’s the strength of his game. But he also has natural athleticism where he could work as a left or right tackle. If you’re delineating between positions, you’d probably look at him as a right tackle or left guard.”
In the end, it’s the scheme fit that will make the decisions for Scherff, Collins and every other potential hybrid lineman in this draft class. These are special players, but the teams that draft them will have to do their homework to understand and implement the best strategies for their individual talents.
April 7, 2015 at 8:58 am #22279AgamemnonParticipant2015 NFL Draft offensive tackle rankings: A vast group of maulers
By Dan Kadar
http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/3/8339055/2015-nfl-draft-offensive-tackle-rankings-brandon-scherff-lael-collins
@MockingTheDraft on Apr 3, 2015, 9:00a 8Some think Brandon Scherff and La’el Collins are guards. Don’t believe them. They lead a class of offensive tackles that could see six taken in the first round.
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PinJust how many offensive tackles will we see taken in the first round of the 2015 NFL Draft? Well, that depends on how you think of the two top players at the position.
Leading a deep and talented group of offensive tackles this year is Brandon Scherff of Iowa and La’el Collins of LSU. Some consider them guards moving forward because they’re not overly athletic or light on their feet. Although it might not be a shock if either of them start their career as guards, they’re more than good enough to play tackle.
Both are powerhouse blockers who make their name first as run blockers. They can toss defenders around with ease and are hard to move off their spot. Scherff spent his entire career with the Hawkeyes at tackle while Collins does have experience inside. Both have the skill sets to work on the right side, but should be quick enough to stick at left tackle.
If there are doubts about Scherff and Collins sticking at tackle, there are plenty of options to be had high in the draft.
Stanford’s Andrus Peat is likely to get selected in the first 20 picks of the draft because of his size and athletic combination. He’s physical enough as a run blocker, but really excels at picking up speed rushers on the edge. The same can be said of Florida’s D.J. Humphries.
Ereck Flowers of Miami and T.J. Clemmings of Pittsburgh are two more offensive tackles getting plenty of first-round buzz. Clemmings is an athletic right tackle who is just scratching the surface of how good he can be. Flowers is a monstrous left tackle who knows how to use his length.
Under the radar: There isn’t a lot of finesse or intimidation in Rob Havenstein’s game. He just routinely gets the job done in both areas of the game. We’ve seen so many Wisconsin linemen enter the NFL and be solid, and Havenstein should be no different.
Position grade: B+
April 7, 2015 at 8:59 am #22280AgamemnonParticipant2015 NFL Draft player rankings: A.J. Cann tops lackluster group of guards
By Dan Kadar
@MockingTheDraft on Apr 2, 2015, 4:00p 3
Jeff Blake-USA TODAY SportsThe South Carolina interior blocker may be the only guard taken in the first round. Still, there are a handful of top 100 picks at the position.
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PinGuard can be an under-appreciated position. They don’t get the glamor like offensive tackles do. They don’t touch the ball every play like a center. They’re just kind of there, being big and mean.
Last year’s draft wasn’t kind to guards. None were taken in the first round and there was just one picked in the second. It wasn’t until the third round, when five were drafted, that the position got some love. This year we could see more of the same.
South Carolina’s A.J. Cann has the best chance of any guard to be taken in the first round. Cann is a powerful and athletic guard who excels in run blocking. He gets out of the move really well and should be a good pulling guard as a pro.
One of the biggest storylines of the entire draft process has been the rise of Hobart College’s Ali Marpet. He was a relative unknown heading into the Senior Bowl but stole the show during practices. The former left tackle is a nasty, aggressive blocker whom some have been comparing to Zack Martin of the Dallas Cowboys.
Marpet is one of several guards who should come off the board in the back half of the top 100 picks. Josue Matias and Tre’ Jackson of Florida State, Jarvis Harrison of Texas A&M and Arie Kouandjio of Alabama should also be in that range.
Expecting to see Brandon Scherff of Iowa or La’el Collins of LSU? I still consider both of them offensive tackles going forward. If they’re being considered guards, they’d be at the top of this list.
April 7, 2015 at 4:34 pm #22287HerzogParticipantMan, I think we need two really solid OL prospects, and two high ceiling developmental types (late round/udfa). I just remember Robinsons learning curve…we can’t afford two slow learning curve prospects if we want to do something this year.
April 7, 2015 at 7:13 pm #22298znModeratorTen for No. 10: Brandon Scherff
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17574/ten-for-no-10-brandon-scherff
EARTH CITY, Mo. — With a tip of the cap to Oakland Raiders reporter Bill Williamson for the idea and the fact that I’ll be heading out for a little vacation this week, today we kick off our series of 10 for No. 10, a look at 10 players who could be in the mix for the St. Louis Rams with the 10th overall selection in the upcoming NFL draft.
For the purposes of this exercise, it’s a little more difficult to peg who will be available and who won’t, but out of the 10 we evaluate here, there’s a good chance that some will be on the board when the Rams pick. Based on early returns, we’re going to eliminate Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams and Florida defensive end Dante Fowler Jr. from the conversation. Those three, above all else, seem all but certain to be gone when the Rams pick.
Brandon Scherff, OL, Iowa
Why the Rams should consider him: The Rams have obvious needs on the offensive line and Scherff is generally regarded as the best player in the draft at the position. He played tackle for the Hawkeyes but many think he’s got Pro Bowl potential as a guard. The Rams need help at both spots, so Scherff would offer the versatility that they often seek in offensive linemen. From a scheme standpoint, Scherff also makes plenty of sense. The Rams want to be a power running team, and Scherff is an excellent run blocker with the ability to open holes on a consistent basis. His ability to play through injury and toughness also figure to be appealing from a personality standpoint to the Rams’ coaching staff.
Why they shouldn’t: There’s an emerging school of thought that Scherff is not only better suited at guard but probably not anything more than an average tackle in the NFL. That means drafting Scherff at No. 10 would mean selecting a guard in the top 10 when there could be better players at positions of less pressing need available. Teams have taken guards in the top 10 in recent seasons, but those picks haven’t panned out so far with the likes of Arizona’s Jonathan Cooper offering a recent (injury-prone) example. Scherff needs polish in pass protection and though the Rams wouldn’t lean on him to shut down top pass-rushers right away, they might not be able to afford to have another guy who would need help in protection on the line immediately. Scherff has proved tough by playing through injury, but he’s also had a knack for those injuries. He had knee, leg and ankle injuries at Iowa.
Chances he’s available at No. 10? There seem to be plenty of options available on the offensive line in this draft but maybe not one prospect that’s definitely worthy of being a top-10 pick. Still, the need for offensive linemen around the league remains great. Most teams in front of the Rams have greater needs than the offensive line but the New York Giants at No. 9, among others, could pull the trigger on Scherff before the Rams come on the clock.
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RamBill sez: Greg Cosell joins Ross Tucker to break down the Offensive line prospects for the 2015 NFL Draft. Good detailed discussion with pro comparisons for many of the prospects.
Cosell starts at 2:00 in
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It sounds to me like they have them rated
1. Scherff – solid but unspectacular may be LT or possibly RT or G
2. Peat – really big, solid LT nothing fancy
3. Collins – good player with pretty good feet, may be G or RT, possibly LT
4. Humphries – very good athlete who needs coaching, possible LT project
5. Erving – very good player with lots of versatility can possibly play any spot on OL
6. Fisher – good player who does the right things and will improve with coaching
7. Flowers – ok player, not great feet RT or inside move to G
8, Clemmings – good athlete, very mechanical developmental player, needs coachingApril 8, 2015 at 9:42 pm #22378znModeratorThe Top 5 Interior Offensive Linemen in the 2015 NFL Draft
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/the-top-5-interior-offensive-linemen-in-the-2015-nfl-draft/
It wasn’t too long ago that guards and centers were never in the conversation when people talked about potential first round offensive linemen. With defensive coordinators continuing to put quality pass rushers inside on passing downs, the interior linemen have become more important and that shows in where they are now being drafted and the amount of money they are getting paid in free agency.
This year, at least one and perhaps two of my top interior linemen will go in the first round. I expect all five to be strong contributors as rookies.
1) Brandon Scherff – Iowa
Scherff has been a productive three year starter at left tackle for Iowa. He is a tough, physical player who plays with strength and power. He is also a good athlete with good speed for a lineman (5.07).
As a player, he is a smart technician with good hand use. Like most Iowa linemen, he has been well coached. He plays with bend and knows how to get and keep good position. He is a consistent run and pass blocker and has the strength and power to get movement. He is a consistent pass blocker who gets and keeps good position and can anchor.
On the downside, he may not be quite the athlete coaches want at left tackle. There are other linemen in this class who play better in space than Scherff.
Overall, this is a player who knows and understands the position. He can be productive at either guard or tackle spot once he gets to the NFL. I feel he is best suited to play inside at guard where he may have Pro Bowl potential. He is similar to Dallas guard Zack Martin who made the Pro Bowl last year as a rookie. At Notre Dame, Martin was a left tackle.
2) Cam Erving – Florida State
Erving was a two-and-a-half year starter at left tackle for Florida State. Just past midseason in 2014, he was moved to center and looked as if he had played the position his entire life!
Just for the record, Erving was a top prospect as a left tackle. He showed, quickness, strength, power, and range and looked like an early starter at that position. At center, he showed all those traits and more. He took over as the leader of the line and made all the line calls.
At 6’5 – 313 he has excellent size, to go along with rare length for a center (34 1/8” arms). As a player he is a strong run blocker and a very good pass blocker. He is explosive on contact in the run game and is able to get under his opponent and generate movement. In pass protection, he shows quick feet and the slide and recovery skills to mirror speed or power.
He needs some work with his hand usage. When at tackle, he needed to do a better job keeping his hands inside. He also played from a right-handed 3-point stance at tackle, which won’t work at the NFL level.
Erving has the skills to start at any of the five offensive line positions. That versatility will help him get on the field early. He is clearly the best center in this draft and will most likely be a late first round pick.
3) Tre Jackson – Florida State
Jackson is a three year starter at guard for Florida State. He almost came out last year, and if he did, he would have been a high draft choice. I actually felt Jackson looked better on tape in the 2013 season than he did in 2014. He looked too heavy this past season and didn’t move around as well. That was verified at both the Senior Bowl and the Combine. Jackson weighed 323 in Mobile and 330 at Indy.
Despite his size, Jackson moves around fairly well. He has adequate feet and very good balance. He is best as a run blocker where he shows he can consistently get movement. He looked better at getting to the second level in 2013 than he did in 2014 and will need to play in the 320 range this year for him to get that extra quickness back.
In pass protection, he shows a strong punch, and he never gets bull rushed. He uses his hands well and has good overall mirror skills.
Overall, like I mentioned above, Jackson needs to drop to around 320 to be most effective. He can play either guard position and should start as a rookie. I highly doubt he gets drafted in the first round, but he should be a solid second round choice.
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4) A.J. Cann – South Carolina
On tape, Cann looks to be as good an athlete as there is in this draft at the guard position. He is a four year starter and has been a very productive player for South Carolina. He has excellent size at 6’3 – 313 to go along with strength and power.
He is best as a run blocker, as he comes off the ball low and is explosive on contact. He is usually able to get movement and can get to the second level. In pass protection, he moves his feet well, plays with bend and can slide and recover. He needs to do a better job using his hands in pass pro and keep them inside on a more consistent basis.
He has all the natural physical traits to excel at the NFL level. He just needs to pay a bit more attention to detail on the little things. He should become a starter early in his career, and if he stays healthy, he can pay for a long time.
5) Ali Marpet – Hobart
This is my surprise selection for this group. Six weeks ago, I probably wouldn’t have listed him here. Division III players rarely get invited to the Senior Bowl, and when they do, they often look out of place. That wasn’t the case with Marpet. From the get go, he showed he belonged with the big boys. He was equal in size and was more athletic and stronger than many of his teammates.
Marpet has excellent size (6’4 – 307) and the frame to get bigger. He was one of the few offensive linemen to break 5.00 in the 40, running a 4.98. He was also among the best in the 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone drill. He did 30 reps on the bench and had 30.5” vertical jump. These are natural traits that few have.
Sure he is raw from a technique point of view, but that is easily corrected with coaching and Marpet takes well to coaching. While he played tackle at Hobart, he played guard at the Senior Bowl and may end up being a center at the NFL level. He is very intelligent and is a strong leader and that bodes well for the center position.
Marpet may not start as a rookie, but in two years, he may be a better player than many of the guys who are drafted ahead of him. He has some special qualities.
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A.J. Cann OG/C South Carolina
Analysis: A.J. Cann is the best pure OG in this class but actually got a lot of work at Center at his Pro Day and was recruited out of high school as a Center. He would be an interesting developmental prospect at Center for down the line that can contribute immediately as a rookie at OG. As a LG, Cann is a brutish run blocker combining sound footwork with great power and leverage. He’s explosive out of his stance, consistently the low man, and drives his feet through contact. Cann has a mean streak and looks to bury guys in the run game. He’d immediately bolster our run game and his experience in South Carolina’s zone blocking scheme will help him at the next level because it bolstered his understanding of angles and positions and gave him a lot of experience blocking on the move.
As a pass protector, Cann has a few technical issues to clean up but should be able to hold his own until they’re cleaned up. Cann has the natural mirroring ability, anchor, power, and athleticism to develop into a very good pass protecting LG. He needs to improve his punch and hand placement in the passing game. His punch can be a bit weak because he doesn’t time it right and he has a tendency to allow his punches to land outside the chest-plate. Cann also needs to do a better job of sitting back in his stance as he’ll get caught leaning at times but his bend is not at all an issue so that should be something that will be easy to clean up. Cann also needs to do a better job of redirecting vs. quicker DTs especially on swim moves as he will sometimes stop moving his feet when getting spun on by a quick DT. Regardless, Cann’s technical issues are very fixable and nothing overly worrisome at this stage.
April 13, 2015 at 8:53 pm #22658znModeratorTen for No. 10: Andrus Peat
By Nick Wagoner
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17590/ten-for-no-10-andrus-peat
EARTH CITY, Mo. — Today we continue our series of 10 for No. 10, a look at 10 players who could be in the mix for the St. Louis Rams with the 10th overall selection.
For the purposes of this exercise, it’s a little more difficult to peg who will be available and who won’t but out of the 10 we evaluate here, there’s a good chance that some will be on the board when the Rams pick. Based on early returns, we’re going to eliminate Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston, USC defensive lineman Leonard Williams and Florida defensive end Dante Fowler from the conversation. Those three, above all else, seem all but certain to be gone when the Rams pick.
We’ve already looked at Iowa offensive lineman Brandon Scherff, Alabama receiver Amari Cooper, Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, Nebraska defensive end Randy Gregory and West Virginia receiver Kevin White.
Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford
Why the Rams should consider him: The needs on the offensive line have been well-documented but just as a refresher, the Rams need a right tackle, a guard and a center. That’s at minimum. Depending on who you ask, Peat is the best pure tackle in this draft class. While guys like Scherff and LSU’s La’el Collins might be better players overall, neither necessarily projects as a tackle at the NFL level. Peat comes with an excellent pedigree as his father actually played for the old St. Louis Cardinals and the Los Angeles version of the Raiders in a six-year career. At nearly 6-foot-7, 313 pounds, Peat is the prototype size for the position and the reach to strike defenders quickly. He also proved durable at Stanford, playing 40 of a possible 41 games in three seasons. From a scheme standpoint, Peat should be an easy and logical fit. Stanford’s pro-style power-run offense would make for an easy transition to the Rams offense and allow the Rams to fill at least one of their offensive line holes with a player who might not need a ton of work to be ready.
Why they shouldn’t: While Peat played in an offense that was power-heavy, the tape doesn’t necessarily show a player who can be the type of run blocking bully the Rams like. Comes with questions about his mean streak and some draft analysts say that he gets caught lunging a bit too often and can get caught with his frame over his feet. Peat also has a nasty streak but it comes and goes, something that might not make him ideal for what the Rams want. Although he’s solid in pass protection, doesn’t dominate in that area, either. Scouts seem to have varying opinions on Peat but some might also believe that No. 10 is too high for him.
Chances he’s available at No. 10: Barring a surprise, it seems entirely possible that Peat will be on the board at No. 10. There are teams in front of the Rams with clear needs on the offensive line but it doesn’t seem like many will jump on Peat at the expense of a more talented player. One road block should the Rams want Peat could be the New York Giants. New York has needs on the offensive line and would like to move right tackle Justin Pugh inside to guard. Drafting a pure tackle like Peat might allow them to do that. The Rams have already brought Peat in for a pre-draft visit and it looks like there’s a real chance they’ll have a shot at him if that’s the direction they want to go.[/quote]
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sleeper onlinemen & some PFF stats
4/5 Sean Hickey OT/C/G Syracuse 6’6 310 short arms tough maybe C sleeper 35 lifts
7th/udfa Chase Nelson RT CH ACA Toledo 6’7 320 top 10 in run blocking & pass protecting 2014 per ff
7th/udfa Terrence Jones G/RT Troy 6’3 330 1st team CH+++ACA squats 810 lbs what all 3 have in common is rams attended their pro day and all 3 appeared in pff top 10 ot list
Sean Hickey was 7th best in pass pro
Chase Nelson finished 3rd in pass pro and 9th in run blocking’
Terrence Jones playing at 6’3 330 finshed 7th best at in pass pro…
consider Hickey to be very similar to Mitch Morse as a prospect…very bright articulate and had very good short times at his pro day…you can see the rams scout staring hard at him as he runs
I expect rams to draft sign as udfa at least 1 of these guys
of the top tier guys
Collins #1 in pass pro
Peat #5 in pass pro and #10 run blocking Peat also scored the highest in sparq of the top olinemen(still waiting on Scherff’s numbers)
Flowers 12th in pass pro and 2nd in run
other players rams scouted
Daryl Williams 9th in pass blocking
Tyrus Thompson 6th in run blocking
couple of later rd centers rams have scouted
Greg Manz C Toledo 6’4 300 CH+++ very good in pas pro/2nd level lacks power
Collin Rahig C/G 6’3 290 CH+++ leadership fast/athletic shrine needs strength
April 16, 2015 at 4:29 pm #22756AgamemnonParticipantApril 16, 2015 at 7:11 pm #22767znModeratorfrom off the net
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Boylehart says that he doesn’t think Scherff can be an OT in the NFL. But he thinks he can be a top notch OG quickly.
As for Collins, he says no doubt he can be a Pro Bowl RT and perhaps even a better OG. And he thinks that with some technique work LT is a possibility.
Anyway, all I have to go by is what the guys who seem to know their stuff say, and the few times I watch the game on my TV. I see two guys who can play RT or OG.
They are not the same guy. But to me they are about the same in talent/worth. Scherff is a plug and play RT in my estimation, and a probably Zach Martin type of LG. Collins is a plug and play RT in my estimation, and a very good OG but I don’t think will be as good as Scherff at OG.
Scherff is not an NFL LT. Collins can probably be an NFL LT in 2-3 years.
So, who do we want? Well, the 1st cut for me is that we don’t need an LT so whether any OT we draft can play LT is not high on the list. In my mind, LG is more important to the Rams than RT. This is because we are a power blocking, run oriented team; and running starts with the interior oline.
Further the key in today’s NFL is to prevent pressure up the middle in the QBs face. OGs and Centers are pretty much on their own. But RTs regularly get help from a TE or a RB that comes over to chip the DE or rush OLB.
Therefore my hope is that Scherff is there and that we take him. If he’s gone, then Collins.
These guys are both fierce competitors, have played the best college competition, have proved themselves durable, tough and have a zillion reps. Strong mentally and physically.
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April 16, 2015 at 9:28 pm #22772znModeratorThey are not the same guy. But to me they are about the same in talent/worth. Scherff is a plug and play RT in my estimation, and a probably Zach Martin type of LG. Collins is a plug and play RT in my estimation, and a very good OG but I don’t think will be as good as Scherff at OG.
How many of the top guards these days were tackles in college?
Zack Martin … Dallas
Jahri Evans … New Orleans
Josh Sitton … Green Bay
Marshal Yanda … Baltimore
Carl Nicks … Tampa
T.J. Lang … Green Bay
Orlando Franklin … Denver
Kelechi Osemele … Baltimore
John Greco … Cleveland+ Rodger Saffold
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