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  • #127495
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    Clayton: Seahawks rival Rams playing a dangerous game with their trades

    * https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1293762/seahawks-rival-rams-dangerous-game/

    Sean McVay’s Rams are set to go seven straight years without a first-round pick. (Getty)
    Without question, the Los Angeles Rams improved their quarterback position with the Matthew Stafford trade going into another season where they will battle the Seahawks and the rest of a tough NFC West.

    Stafford is a strong-armed gunslinger who can carry an offense better than Jared Goff. Critics bring up the fact that he’s taken the Detroit Lions to the playoffs three times and is 0-3 in postseason games, but the reason for those failures is more on the Lions than Stafford.

    Detroit’s rosters haven’t been good enough to advance in the playoffs. Since Stafford was drafted by the Lions in 2009, they have ranked 31st in rushing the football. The defense hasn’t been that great during his time there, either.

    Rams head coach Sean McVay will give Stafford a good running attack and better offensive schemes, but there could be downsides to this trade. The Rams might be a better playoff team next season, but sustaining a quality roster could be tough, and the cap implications of this trade are brutal.

    Sure, the Rams save cap money by dumping Goff’s contract to Detroit, but they now have $42.2 million of salary cap room with Stafford’s $20 million salary, and the cap is expected to drop. The floor for the 2021 cap is $175 million, with most people around the league thinking it will be set around $180 million, $19.2 million less than the 2020 season.

    Anything over 15 percent of cap room tied up in a quarterback makes it hard to keep players or sign free agents. Stafford’s salary and the dead money the Rams take on by sending Goff to Detroit will eat up 23.4 percent of a $180 million cap.

    The Rams are currently $35 million over a $180 million cap, third most in the league. It will be hard for the Rams to re-sign players, and they have 13 unrestricted free agents this offseason. They will have a hard time keeping Leonard Floyd, who was a star when rushing Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson in their three meetings this season. They won’t be able to keep their second best wide receiver, Josh Reynolds. Safety Josh Johnson has been a star in the secondary, and he’s up. Tight end Gerald Everett is also a free agent.

    There could be an impact along the offensive line, too. They might struggle to re-sign center Austin Blythe and might have to cut right tackle Rob Havenstein, among others, to get under the cap.

    What is clear is that McVay gets what he wants when it comes to players. The Rams have been an aggressive team. In their Super Bowl year, they acquired cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib. They then got rid of them and then traded for another star cornerback, Jalen Ramsey.

    But there is a dangerous game going on. It’s pretty clear McVay can turn on a player. He did that with Goff. He did it with wide receiver Brandin Cooks. The Rams went to the Super Bowl two years ago, but they finished the 2020 season with only 24 players left from that Super Bowl appearance on the team’s final 53-man roster, including eight starters gone on defense.

    There has also been a big turnover on the coaching staff. Only five coaches remain from McVay’s original staff when he was hired in 2017 after the Seahawks took passing game coordinator Shane Waldron and assistant offensive line coach Andy Dickerson, making them offensive coordinator and run game coordinator, respectively.

    McVay has had good coaches. Matt LeFleur, Zac Taylor and Brandon Staley all got head coaching gigs. But at some point the bold moves and change might catch up to the Rams. Goff was a first-round pick in 2016, but after the trade for Stafford, the Rams are set to go without a first-rounder from the year after they selected Goff all the way to 2023. That’s seven years.

    Like the Seahawks, the Rams have benefited from compensatory picks for starters lost in free agency. They have four this year plus another third-round compensatory pick they will get in 2022 for their director of college scouting, Brad Holmes, leaving to become Detroit’s general manager.

    That puts a lot of pressure on Rams GM Les Snead to hit on starter replacements without top draft choices. Seahawks GM John Schneider did his best to keep Seattle at a playoff level after a two-year Super Bowl run in 2013 and 2014, but the loss of starters in free agency dropped them to more of a wild-card team for several years.

    Stafford is under contract for two years. He will do well for Los Angeles, but the struggle for the Rams will be keeping talent around him.

    #127497
    Maddy
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    “Sure, the Rams save cap money by dumping Goff’s contract to Detroit, but they now have $42.2 million of salary cap room with Stafford’s $20 million salary, and the cap is expected to drop. The floor for the 2021 cap is $175 million, with most people around the league thinking it will be set around $180 million, $19.2 million less than the 2020 season.

    Anything over 15 percent of cap room tied up in a quarterback makes it hard to keep players or sign free agents. Stafford’s salary and the dead money the Rams take on by sending Goff to Detroit will eat up 23.4 percent of a $180 million cap.

    The Rams are currently $35 million over a $180 million cap, third most in the league. It will be hard for the Rams to re-sign players, and they have 13 unrestricted free agents this offseason.”

    So, are the Rams better or worse off cap-wise? Would most of this be true if they kept Goff?

    #127498
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    So, are the Rams better or worse off cap-wise? Would most of this be true if they kept Goff?

    also what does it look like in 22? do they continue taking cap hits?

    also read that stafford doesn’t care about the money at this point and is willing to extend. does he take less and maybe restructure the contract or whatever it takes to make some cap room? am i even saying this correctly?

    #127509
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    #127511
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    Maddy! Who’s next; Lyster??

    Let’s hope, once things are all back to normal, we can be singing, “Hail, hail, the gang’s all here!”

    #127517
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    Ha! This site was unavailable to me for a period of time, like it had been dismantled and terminated. I tried to find this crew as I have in past migrations. Couldn’t find you guys. I thought it was over. Then I just tried again and here it was!

    #127526
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    #127528
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    #127529
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    i want to hear from mcvay and snead in march about the trade.

    #127538
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    #127543
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    If you havent listened to that Gottleib vid above, you might wanna.
    Gottleib claims his info came from a coupla sources inside
    the rams….says goff’s work ethic wasnt as good as Wolford’s and he didnt take work-ethic cues from workaholic McVay, and Goff didnt take responsibility for bad games, etc.

    Either Gottleib is just full of shit,
    or some rams people are trashing Goff,
    or…i dunno.

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    #127544
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    Gottleib claims his info came from a coupla sources inside
    the rams….says goff’s work ethic wasnt as good as Wolford’s and he didnt take work-ethic cues from workaholic McVay, and Goff didnt take responsibility for bad games, etc.

    You can’t take bait like that so easily.

    I mean who is Gottlieb and who are his “sources”?

    Meanwhile there are several beat reporters in LA and even national guys based in LA and across 5 years we heard none of this.

    And of top of it no one knows Goff better than Holmes, the former Rams chief of scouting who is now the Detroit GM and just traded for him.

    Do you trade for a guy with a questionable work ethic?

    In fact Holmes turned down an offer for Stafford that included the 8th pick in the draft (from Carolina). If Detroit took that, they would have the 7th and 8th picks in the draft, which is plenty of ammo to go after a qb. Instead he took Goff.

    #127555
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    Ha! This site was unavailable to me for a period of time, like it had been dismantled and terminated. I tried to find this crew as I have in past migrations. Couldn’t find you guys. I thought it was over. Then I just tried again and here it was!

    Welcome back. It has been awhile.

    #127570
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    Ha! This site was unavailable to me for a period of time, like it had been dismantled and terminated. I tried to find this crew as I have in past migrations. Couldn’t find you guys. I thought it was over. Then I just tried again and here it was!

    I just saw this post. Howdy Maddy! Welcome back to the feast.

    #127571
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    here is the video…..

    * https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/03/aaron-donald-was-shocked-by-jared-goff-matthew-stafford-trade/#comments
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    Los Angeles Rams: Charles Robinson explains why Rams soured on Goff

    The full details behind why the Los Angeles Rams traded quarterback Jared Goff may never be fully known. Yahoo Sports’ Charles Robinson sheds some light on the situation.

    Blaine Grisak

    * https://www.downtownrams.com/single-post/2021/02/03/los-angeles-rams-charles-robinson-explains-why-rams-soured-on-goff/

    Los Angeles Rams

    The full details behind why the Los Angeles Rams traded quarterback Jared Goff before his extension even hit may never be known. Goff signed his extension with the Rams shortly after taking the team to the Super Bowl. Under two years later, and he’s no longer not only the franchise quarterback, but he’s no longer on the team.

    Senior NFL Reporter for Yahoo Sports Charles Robinson sat down with Michael Holley and Michael Smith to explain how the relationship between Goff and McVay soured so quickly. It’s a lot so I’m going to break it up into three sections.

    “I remember talking to McVay last summer and he was telling me that he was really excited about Jared Goff. He kept talking about how excited he was for Goff to grow beyond him. What he meant was, your elite quarterbacks, they put their imprint on the offense. They don’t need a coach constantly micromanaging it when they get to a certain level. They put their own fingerprints on it. He was anticipating that. He wanted that from Jared Goff. That’s really what he was pushing for.”

    This goes back to right after the Super Bowl and when Goff signed his long-term extension. At that point there was no reason to think that Goff wouldn’t be the Los Angeles Rams’ quarterback for the next 10-15 years. This coach-QB duo had potential to be the next Belichick-Brady or Montana-Walsh. McVay anticipated Goff to take the next step and make the offense his own a little bit as he moved into year three. Like Robinson said, this is what you get from the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.

    Robinson continues:

    “About a month left of the season, I started talking to people there. What I kept hearing was, ‘He keeps making the same mistakes over and over.’ A guy literally said to me, ‘He’s making mistakes that a first year quarterback shouldn’t be making in the NFL and he’s still making those same mistakes now.’ Sean had a pretty negative opinion of him down the stretch. From what I understood internally there, it was Sean looking at his offense (after the Super Bowl) and going, Im going to constantly be needing to change and update my scheme and what I do to keep it ahead of the curve. He looked at Goff and said, this guy has to change with me. He’s got to come with me on this journey and he felt like Goff just wasn’t.”

    Again, this shouldn’t be anything that Rams fans don’t already know. Over the last two years, Goff kept making the same mistakes over and over. He was simply reckless with the football at times as he ranked near the top of the league in turnovers. After seeing how John Wolford ran the offense, heading into the Seahawks playoff game, it was clear he felt like Wolford could run the offense how he wanted to call it. Goff never evolved after 2018 and that resulted in taking a step back.

    Last chunk here:

    “(McVay) felt like (Goff) was falling off and McVay couldn’t bring him along. What I was told, when Sean was off it and said, ‘This isn’t the right guy for the offense. We’re not going to win a Super Bowl with this quarterback.’ That was the end of the conversation. Then it was, ‘Now we got to trade this guy.’”

    This is clearly how it went down after the season. McVay went to Snead and said we can’t win with Goff and therefore they started to explore trades. It also brings to the point that, if this doesn’t work out and Stafford doesn’t win or the offense looks the same with Stafford, this is now on McVay. He can’t hide behind the poor play of Jared Goff. Stafford is considered a top-10 quarterback by some. If McVay’s offense remains the same, that’s on McVay and it’s on Snead for complying.

    The Rams went all in for Stafford and now it’s championship or bust

    #127572
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    You can’t take bait like that so easily.

    I mean who is Gottlieb and who are his “sources”?

    Meanwhile there are several beat reporters in LA and even national guys based in LA and across 5 years we heard none of this.

    And of top of it no one knows Goff better than Holmes, the former Rams chief of scouting who is now the Detroit GM and just traded for him.

    Do you trade for a guy with a questionable work ethic?

    In fact Holmes turned down an offer for Stafford that included the 8th pick in the draft (from Carolina). If Detroit took that, they would have the 7th and 8th picks in the draft, which is plenty of ammo to go after a qb. Instead he took Goff.

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    Well, he said flat-out it came from inside sources,
    so if he’s lying thats pretty bad.

    What i wonder is, if there is someone in the Rams Org
    who is trashing Goff. Thats the issue to me. Not
    whether ‘its true’ or not. Just that there
    is someone trashing Goff.

    Its not very classy if thats whats happening.

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    #127573
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    What i wonder is, if there is someone in the Rams Org
    who is trashing Goff. Thats the issue to me. Not
    whether ‘its true’ or not. Just that there
    is someone trashing Goff.

    Its not very classy if thats whats happening.

    Well I missed that you were saying that.

    And yes if they were doing that it gets us back to Zygmunt territory.

    #127574
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    How many teams have unloaded 3 superbowl qbs in their prime years.

    Ferragamo, they let him go take Canadian money.

    Warner, we know that story.

    Goff, we know that story.

    #127582
    Maddy
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    Good to be back!

    #127587
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    Hall of Fame QB Kurt Warner joins “Good Morning Football” and reacts to Brett Favre’s comments on Deshaun Watson, talks Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes and breaks down the Matthew Stafford, Jared Goff trade.

    Kurt talks about the Rams trade at 4:10 in

    Vid link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nflvideos/kurt-warner-reacts-to-brett-favres-comments-on-deshaun-watson/vi-BB1dogga

    #127590
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    What i wonder is, if there is someone in the Rams Org
    who is trashing Goff. Thats the issue to me. Not
    whether ‘its true’ or not. Just that there
    is someone trashing Goff.

    Its not very classy if thats whats happening.

    Well I missed that you were saying that.

    And yes if they were doing that it gets us back to Zygmunt territory.

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    Zygmunt!….Hardly are those words out
    When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
    Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
    A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
    A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
    Is moving its slow thighs…

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    #127610
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    #127623
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    Rams come up at 9:52 in.

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