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February 28, 2016 at 4:24 pm #39750znModerator
Rams cornerback Janoris Jenkins fires his agent
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link: http://www.insidesocal.com/nfl/2016/02/28/rams-cornerback-janoris-jenkins-fires-his-agent/
The Los Angeles News group has confirmed through a high-ranking league source that Los Angeles Rams’ cornerback Janoris Jenkins has fired agent Malik Shareef.
Jenkins is one of 12 unrestricted free agents on the Rams, and one of their two UFA starting cornerbacks along with Trumaine Johnson whom they hope to retain this offseason.
The move by Jenkins comes at an inopportune time as the Rams have had on-going discussions with his agent about a new long-term deal. By NFL rules, Jenkins is not allowed to hire an agent for five days and the Rams are not allowed to negotiate with him during that time. Nevertheless, sources indicate it shouldn’t be a long-range detriment to the Rams locking Jenkins up.
The Rams are contemplating whether to use their franchise tag on either Jenkins or Johnson, a decision that might rely heavily on progress on a long-term deal with one or the other.
The Rams are allowed to franchise tag Jenkins during the five-day grace period, if they so decided
February 28, 2016 at 4:30 pm #39751ZooeyModeratorI dunno how this works.
But if Jenkins gets franchised, what’s the point in having an agent? He’d be paying a large chunk of money to somebody for nothing, basically.
Players aren’t required to have agents, are they?
February 28, 2016 at 4:33 pm #39752AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 28, 2016 at 4:36 pm #39754znModeratorReport: Jenkins rejects 5 yrs, $45M from Rams
http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/332083/Report–Jenkins-rejects-5-yrs,-$45M-from-Rams
Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole reports free agent CB Janoris Jenkins recently rejected a five-year, $45 million offer from the Rams.
Jenkins has since fired his agent and is switching to the same representation that negotiated Darrelle Revis’ contract. By rule, Jenkins isn’t allowed to hire an agent within five days of canning his previous one, so the Rams are now going to be up against the wall and will probably have to compete with other teams for Jenkins. The $9 million annually the Rams offered Jenkins would have made him one of the 13 highest-paid corners in annual average, but, of course, we have no idea what the guaranteed money was in the Rams’ offer. Jenkins is coming off easily his best season and is probably seeking upwards of $10 million per year.
February 28, 2016 at 5:15 pm #39758WinnbradParticipantSooo… how’s EJ Gaines recovery looking?
February 28, 2016 at 5:47 pm #39759WinnbradParticipantI dunno how this works.
But if Jenkins gets franchised, what’s the point in having an agent? He’d be paying a large chunk of money to somebody for nothing, basically.
Players aren’t required to have agents, are they?
Nope.
February 28, 2016 at 6:12 pm #39762sdramParticipantIs Jenkins crazy like a fox? Perhaps he’ll fire his agent, sign franchise tender – save 10% or whatever their cut is.
Course, that’s not what’s going on – just a thought. I’m not certain but I think Revis may have done a deal without an agent a while back.
So, if the Rams are offering 9 million a season, they’ll likely offer more or at least more guaranteed money.
February 28, 2016 at 6:21 pm #39763AgamemnonParticipantFebruary 28, 2016 at 6:26 pm #39764znModeratorHere is what the top 10 CBs in the league are getting, by yearly avg.:
http://overthecap.com/position/cornerback
Revis: 14+ M
Peterson: 14+ M
Sherman: 14 M
Haden: 13.5 M
Maxwell: 10.5 M
Smith: 10+ M
Carr: 10 M
Hall: 9.75 M
Shields: 9.75 M
Talib: 9.5 MFebruary 28, 2016 at 7:06 pm #39765InvaderRamModeratoras long as the rams can sign one of them i don’t care. i’m pretty confident gaines can come back and do a job.
February 28, 2016 at 8:15 pm #39768znModeratoras long as the rams can sign one of them i don’t care. i’m pretty confident gaines can come back and do a job.
And Roberson.
And Joyner was coming on at the end there.
We have said it before—it’s easy to trust these guys when it comes to finding and developing DBs.
So maybe Jenkins gets his money somewhere else, or, he ends up being a Barksdale. I can’t call this one in advance. Who knows.
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February 28, 2016 at 8:58 pm #39770AgamemnonParticipantTotal disrespect when u held down one side all 4 years and force the ball the other way.. #ThanksButNoThanks
— Mr.Pix6Sh*t/Clamps (@JjenkzLockdown) February 29, 2016
February 28, 2016 at 9:05 pm #39771InvaderRamModeratoras long as the rams can sign one of them i don’t care. i’m pretty confident gaines can come back and do a job.
And Roberson.
And Joyner was coming on at the end there.
We have said it before—it’s easy to trust these guys when it comes to finding and developing DBs.
So maybe Jenkins gets his money somewhere else, or, he ends up being a Barksdale. I can’t call this one in advance. Who knows.
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i’d rather use that money trying to re-sign other soon to be free agents.
February 28, 2016 at 9:34 pm #39772InvaderRamModeratorthis draft is deep at corner too. i like the guy hall from northern iowa. supposed to be a big physical corner.
February 28, 2016 at 10:32 pm #39779znModeratorfrom off the net
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The good news if one of the cb’s signs elsewhere….the size of their contract will almost certainly result in a 3rd or 4th round comp pick in 2017.
Of course, how many picks you gets depends on how many FA’s you lose vs. how many you sign.
I don’t see the Rams signing an outside free agent at the same contract level that Jenkins/Johnson will get.
Plus, the Rams will almost certainly lose more FA’s overall than they sign.
Hello Comp picks in 2017
February 28, 2016 at 11:56 pm #39781HerzogParticipantHe has “implode after signing big contract” written all over him. I want him gone.
February 29, 2016 at 12:54 am #39784znModeratorHe has “implode after signing big contract” written all over him. I want him gone.
There’s that. I have to admit, that thought crossed my mind too.
In terms of just the money, the question then becomes, how does he see himself? The news on that is not promising, if one needs them to keep Jenkins (I personally don’t).
“Total disrespect when u held down one side all 4 years and force the ball the other way..” #ThanksButNoThanks
That to me says that according to him, teams got so they were not throwing his way (there was a lot of truth to that last year). Ignoring that, he claims, means disrespect. That strongly suggests that he sees his offer as a lowball…or rather, VERY lowball. We don’t have to agree with him, but that’s what it looks like he’s saying. Maybe he sees himself as top 5.
Which means going Barksdale. And by that I don’t mean, he overestimates himself. By going Barksdale, it means that the difference between his own sense of what he’s worth and the team’s is so great, that he cannot possibly sign with the Rams, even if other offers are worse than the Rams. That is, if he goes Barksdale, he will burn bridges and even accept less rather than compromise with the Rams, who (in his mind) insulted him with a lowball. At a certain point it becomes a pride thing. So if that happens, we could see him go out in the market and sign for less than 9 M.
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February 29, 2016 at 6:37 am #39794nittany ramModeratorTotal disrespect when u held down one side all 4 years and force the ball the other way.. #ThanksButNoThanks
Is he kidding?
He’s kidding, right?
The only thing he’s held down for four years is the title, “Most Likely to be Burned by a Double Move Even When the Offense is in a Desperate Third and Long Situation Which Means His Primary Focus Should Be in Not Letting Anyone Behind Him”.
Ok, fine. Last year it was different. But 4 years of playing like a shutdown corner? JJ, that is some serious revisionist history, pal.
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February 29, 2016 at 7:37 am #39797wvParticipantJJ is a tricky one.
Ultra-talented, but mistake-prone.
But improving, and moving into his prime.
He hasn’t been a Patrick Peterson or D.Revis,
but he could be close to that in the next
three years.Its easy for me to see how he would
get a whole range of offers and widely
divergent evaluations.I guess they may lose JJ along
with JL and CL.w
vFebruary 29, 2016 at 11:06 am #39801znModeratorLast year it was different.
Yeah to be fair, it was.
For example, this is an article from earlier in the season.
Rams’ secondary comes together behind Jenkins
Jim ThomasOn Green Bay’s first pass play of the day, quarterback Aaron Rodgers threw deep down the left sideline toward wide receiver Ty Montgomery. Rams cornerback Janoris Jenkins was in tight coverage and the pass fell incomplete.
After that, Rodgers gave Jenkins the “Richard Sherman treatment” during the Rams’ 24-10 loss Oct. 11. Rodgers threw 29 additional passes that day at Lambeau Field; not one of those 29 was thrown in the direction of Jenkins, whose stat line consisted of all zeroes. No tackles, no interceptions, no pass breakups. …
“It was boring, but at the same time I still had to play football,” Jenkins said. “I couldn’t go to sleep out there because it was A-Rod. In my mind every play I was just thinking he was gonna come over there anyway.”
But Rodgers didn’t. Much was made of the fact that Rodgers didn’t throw at Sherman, the much-heralded Seattle cornerback, a year ago when the Packers and Seahawks met in their 2014 season opener.
Perhaps Rodgers was showing similar respect to Jenkins.
“I see it as a sign of respect,” Jenkins said. “But at the same time, he probably saw something on the other side that he liked better. Probably match-up wise or whatever.”
A week earlier in Arizona, Jenkins was involved in a couple of high-profile plays — one good (an acrobatic interception) and one bad (a pass interference penalty). But otherwise, Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer didn’t throw much in Jenkins’ direction either.
“Most times, what I’ve been noticing the first five weeks, teams are basically trying me with the double move,” Jenkins said. “If they don’t have any success with that, they just go away from me. But like I said, I just stay on top of my game and don’t go to sleep out there.”
The Montgomery route against Jenkins in the Green Bay game was a double move — a stutter-and-go to be precise. But Jenkins didn’t take the bait.
He has, of course, taken the bait in the past and that has led to some feast-or-famine moments for the fourth-year pro.
The feast has come in the form of six defensive touchdowns scored by Jenkins since entering the league in 2012 — more than any other NFL player. One of those TDs came on a recovered fumble; the other five have come on interception returns for TDs, a total that ties the franchise record for career “pick 6s.”
The famine has come when Jenkins has gambled, going for the interception and getting beaten for TDs by receivers fooling him with double moves.
But such plays have been few and far between lately. Jenkins is playing well entering Sunday’s home game with Cleveland, displaying more game-to-game consistency than he has displayed in the past.
Pro Football Focus has him ranked 16th among all NFL cornerbacks in terms of overall grade. Opposing quarterbacks have only a 79.3 passer rating against him according to PFF.
While acknowledging that the gambling and double moves have resulted in some problems in the past, Jenkins feels he’s playing some of the best ball of his career.
“Yeah I do,” he said. “I say that to myself, that I’m finally 100 percent. No nagging injuries. I’m not out there with a sore knee or a sore ankle, you know what I’m saying? I’m just finally healthy.”
Although the Rams didn’t make much of it last season, Jenkins suffered a sprained MCL in the team’s Oct. 19 Monday game with Seattle, and it bothered him for much of the season. Teams knew that, and threw at him.
“Once they knew that I was hurt, they were coming at me,” Jenkins said.
He was on the team’s injury report for most of November because of that knee injury and reappeared on the injury report near the end of the year with a back issue.
“Why I was getting beat, I was hurt last year,” Jenkins said. “I don’t care what anybody says. Double moves, I was just trying to make plays.”
So far this season, Jenkins has 23 tackles, two interceptions, and two pass breakups.
Even after allowing two TD passes against Rodgers and Green Bay, the Rams as a team have allowed only five touchdown passes on defense all season, which is tied for the league low. While recognizing that the NFL is very much a week-to-week league, the secondary is finally showing signs of gelling as a unit.
“We’ve been together for a while now,” Jenkins said. “So everybody’s got a feel for each other, how each other plays. Their strengths and weaknesses, so we’ve just got to keep putting it together week in and week out.
“We’re pretty technique-sound. I think Coach D’s doing a good job, fixing our fundamentals and techniques within press.”
(Dennard Wilson is one of the Rams’ defensive backs coaches.)
Jenkins and fellow cornerback Trumaine Johnson are in their fourth season together in the Rams’ secondary, although Johnson has not been a full-time starter during all of that time. At safety, Rodney McLeod and T.J. McDonald are in their third years as starters.
McDonald is the only one of those four starters who is under contract after this season. The others are scheduled for unrestricted free agency.
In the case of Jenkins, the Rams have had ongoing discussions with his agent on a new deal since last spring. Jenkins, in fact, said the Rams made an offer to him last week during the Rams’ bye.
But the numbers apparently weren’t to Jenkins’ liking because he indicated Wednesday that he plans to wait until the end of the season to act on a contract, hinting that he may test the market.
“I’m not talking about the contract,” Jenkins said. “I ended that last week, when they gave me those numbers. It was something I didn’t want to hear. I ended it just like that. I’ll play it out. I’m gonna bet on myself.”
February 29, 2016 at 11:32 am #39802bnwBlockedHe has “implode after signing big contract” written all over him. I want him gone.
I’m getting that vibe too.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
February 29, 2016 at 2:14 pm #39807AgamemnonParticipantI would rather use franchise type money on guys who have already performed at an all pro level, that are the best players on the team. Guys like Quinn, Donald, and Gurley. You have to get value for your cap money, not just keeping every player you would like to keep. The Rams don’t low ball players, they make value judgements, cause they always spend to the cap. imo
Since we have a good idea of how Demoff structures contracts, we can assume that a 5 year 45 million dollar contract will have a certain ideal form. I think the contract that closely matches that is Byron Maxwell’s. Jenkins’ free agency is starting to match that of Maxwell as well. If the Rams don’t keep Jenkins, they will spend the money somewhere else and get some kind of comp pick to boot. The Rams are good at finding and developing DBs, in the draft and as udfas and we already have some depth at the position.
February 29, 2016 at 5:34 pm #39814HerzogParticipantYes…the Rams need to take a page out of Baltimore’s book. Let the outrageously expensive guys go, take the picks….and keep developing.
February 29, 2016 at 6:45 pm #39815InvaderRamModeratorI would rather use franchise type money on guys who have already performed at an all pro level, that are the best players on the team. Guys like Quinn, Donald, and Gurley. You have to get value for your cap money, not just keeping every player you would like to keep. The Rams don’t low ball players, they make value judgements, cause they always spend to the cap. imo
yup. absolutely agree.
February 29, 2016 at 9:36 pm #39820znModeratorI would rather use franchise type money on guys who have already performed at an all pro level, that are the best players on the team. Guys like Quinn, Donald, and Gurley. You have to get value for your cap money, not just keeping every player you would like to keep. The Rams don’t low ball players, they make value judgements, cause they always spend to the cap. imo
Since we have a good idea of how Demoff structures contracts, we can assume that a 5 year 45 million dollar contract will have a certain ideal form. I think the contract that closely matches that is Byron Maxwell’s. Jenkins’ free agency is starting to match that of Maxwell as well. If the Rams don’t keep Jenkins, they will spend the money somewhere else and get some kind of comp pick to boot. The Rams are good at finding and developing DBs, in the draft and as udfas and we already have some depth at the position.
I agree that that sums it all up nicely.
February 29, 2016 at 10:31 pm #39824InvaderRamModeratorthey’ll have likely johnson, gaines, joyner, and roberson as their top 4 corners. that’s good. you essentially remove jenkins and replace him with gaines. that’s still a high caliber group of corners. they could add one more in the draft to develop, and i think they’d be good to go.
if i’m the rams fo, i target donald as a franchise type player. you give franchise money to him, and hopefully extend guys like brockers and ogletree to reasonable contracts. barron as well. defensive backs they can just churn talent every year and see what sticks. linebackers too. if ogletree and barron want top 10 money, let them walk. the rams should be able to find similar talent and mold them. you’re not gonna come across another aaron donald all that often so yeah. you sell out for him. or hopefully a healthy robert quinn.
i wonder if barron doesn’t re-sign. i wonder if alexander could come in and slot in there.
February 29, 2016 at 10:39 pm #39825ZooeyModeratorI like Jenkins. I think he’s a good player. I would be sorry to lose him.
But. From the beginning, he has had that out-of-control egocentrism that is a liability.
We all want players who talk less about themselves, and more about the team. And rings. And that stuff.
Jenkins has always been all about Jenkins.
And I even if he should be paid higher than 5/45, it’s not by so much that 5/45 can be called “total disrespect.”
Sorry. Screw it.
March 1, 2016 at 12:25 am #39829znModeratorEveryone’s in agreement. Articulate, interesting agreement.
That right that is the death of football discussion.
Quick, someone start a fight.
Okay I will.
<clears throat>
I don’t think glove had anything to do with Jenkins improving, and the best thing Martz ever did was get rid of him. So, as usual, Spags was just right on that one.
There. Dig in.
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March 1, 2016 at 10:28 pm #39862znModeratorhttp://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-706325-one-year.html
Word is Jenkins wants somewhere around $12 million per year, which would put him in the top six or seven highest-paid at the position. For someone as prone to big plays as Jenkins, that’s a lot of dough. He’s worth the Rams’ efforts to try to re-sign him, but with injured corner E.J. Gaines returning, Johnson in the fold, and an improved LaMarcus Joyner at nickel, it’s not a contract for which the Rams should get caught overpaying.
March 2, 2016 at 12:56 am #39866InvaderRamModeratormy guess is jenkins is gone. if he had signed the contract no tag of johnson, and johnson most likely is gone.
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