Jaworski: Fisher is a terrible coach

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March 3, 2016 at 8:40 pm #39918

zn
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Ron Jaworski of ESPN is fired up about a possible Jeff Fisher extension as well as gives his thoughts on Joey Bosa, Philip Rivers and RG3.

March 4, 2016 at 1:24 am #39934

zn
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Ron Jaworski slams Jeff Fisher, blasts contract extension talk

link: http://profootballfanzone.com/2016/03/ron-jaworski-slams-jeff-fisher-blasts-contract-extension-talk/

Someone isn’t happy about the possibility of Los Angeles Rams head coach Jeff Fisher getting an extension, and his name is Ron Jaworski.

The longtime ESPN NFL analyst and former Philadelphia Eagles quarterback didn’t mince words to Mighty 1090 AM on March 1 when asked about his thoughts on Fisher:

“Did you say great coach?” Jaworski started off when being interviewed by Dan Sileo. “You’ve got to be kidding me. He’s an awful coach. He’s a terrible coach. He’s been fired by 30 teams years ago and is struggling to get back into this league. If you can’t develop a quarterback in the National Football League, you can’t be a consistent winning coach. Jeff Fisher went to one Super Bowl, he’s never developed into a consistent winning coach and he’s never developed a quarterback outside of Steve McNair. And Steve came in with a lot of ability and certainly, I did not think he was the guy.

“When you look at what that Rams offense was a year ago, it was disgusting,” Jaworski continued. “It was terrible. They were firing coaches. They were firing players. It was terrible.”

Jaworski then criticized Fisher’s decision to trade away the No. 2 overall pick to the Washington Redskins in exchange for three first round picks and a second round pick back in 2012. The move allowed Washington to draft Robert Griffin III. Jaworski pointed out that Fisher has “done nothing with it” and that “nothing positive has happened.”

Fisher has endured four consecutive losing seasons with the Rams, but has reportedly been in contract negotiations with L.A. since Feb. 29 . Fisher is 27-36-1 overall with the Rams and 169-156-1 overall in his 21 seasons as head coach.

March 4, 2016 at 6:53 am #39936

nittany ram
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Fisher is like the James Laurinaitis of coaches in that he’s either great or terrible depending on who you talk to.

March 4, 2016 at 8:47 am #39937

zn
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nittany ram wrote:

Fisher is like the James Laurinaitis of coaches in that he’s either great or terrible depending on who you talk to.

I don;t know if I see any defenders who call him “great.” You know? I think people who defend him think of him as good, and as building something that can and will work. Just an opinion, but, he doesn’t seem to attract diehard loyalty.

And many of the critics seem to just base it on the record, but the record unexamined. It’s like, okay, that’s a losing record, so….

It’s the Debate Impasse.

* “see look at the record”
* “the record is a result of losing 2 qbs”

etc.

March 4, 2016 at 9:32 am #39938
wv
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What’s the record for most consecutive losing seasons
by an NFL coach ? I cant find the record.

Fisher has four now, if you only cont the Rams.

Five in a row now if you count the last year in tenn.

Six if you make it ‘nonwinning’ years and count
the last two years in Tenn.

w
v
http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_has_the_most_losing_seasons_in_a_row_in_the_nfl
The team with the most losing seasons in modern era NFL (since the Super Bowl) are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who lost 14 season in a row from 1983 to 1996. In 1996, Tony Dungy was hired as head coach of the Bucs, Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks and Warrick Dunn were drafted and the team made the playoffs in the 97 season with a 10-6 record. The Bucs are also the only team to lose every game in a season. They went 0-14 when the team started in 1976. Since then, the season has expaned to 16 games.

The New Orleans Saints were winless in 20 seasons from 1967 (where the franchise started) up and till the 1986 season. They did however have two 8-8 seasons (1973, 1983) and therefore they are not “winless”.

Eagles were winless for 11 seasons (1967-1977).
Lastly there is the Detroit lions who went 0-16
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http://deadspin.com/the-16-worst-coaches-in-modern-nfl-history-512701096
worst coaches list
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March 4, 2016 at 9:52 am #39940

wv
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david shula had four losing seasons in a row,
and then was fired in the middle of his fifth season:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Shula

I cant seem to find anyone with more
losing seasons in a row.

fisher may be going for the record 🙂

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v

March 4, 2016 at 12:42 pm #39949

bnw
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HCs don’t develop QBs. Successful HCs generally have good QBs. I hope the Rams keep Fisher as HC.

The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.

March 4, 2016 at 1:27 pm #39959
Agamemnon
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I want to hire Martz to find us a QB. Maybe he could fix Foles?
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March 4, 2016 at 1:29 pm #39960
bnw
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Agamemnon wrote:

I want to hire Martz to find us a QB.

Absolutely!
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The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

Sprinkles are for winners.
March 6, 2016 at 7:30 am #40051

Eternal Ramnation
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I agree with Jaws , Fisher is a terrible coach even the successful years a lack of discipline and consistency was evident. If they come out the first year back in LA at 6 or 7 wins it won’t be pretty. Who’s going to give Billionaire Stan the highest prices in the league to watch a team suck ass again?

March 6, 2016 at 10:25 am #40054

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I don’t know. I don’t think Fisher is terrible. That’s a strong word for a coach that’s been around this many years and has had some success.

I think Fisher still underestimates the “new” league. He doesn’t seem to get the importance of good QB play and good WRs. This is a QB ONLY league now. A team has to have a good one. Even Seattle’s D, which has been great for a few years, wouldn’t go far without the solid playmaking ability of Wilson.

The one good QB Fisher had was Steve McNair, and he wasn’t great, but he was good enough. Coupled with a great running game and a good D, Fisher had success.

So unless we can find our own version of McNair we’re gonna remain a .500 team, imo.

March 6, 2016 at 10:29 am #40055

InvaderRam
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well rams have to get off to a strong start their first season. or it would be very important at least. another reason why spending a first round pick on a qb in a weak qb class doesn’t make the most sense.

ok. i’m getting annoying now.

March 6, 2016 at 10:33 am #40056

wv
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Winnbrad wrote:

I don’t know. I don’t think Fisher is terrible. That’s a strong word for a coach that’s been around this many years and has had some success.

I think Fisher still underestimates the “new” league. He doesn’t seem to get the importance of good QB play and good WRs. This is a QB ONLY league now. A team has to have a good one. Even Seattle’s D, which has been great for a few years, wouldn’t go far without the solid playmaking ability of Wilson.

The one good QB Fisher had was Steve McNair, and he wasn’t great, but he was good enough. Coupled with a great running game and a good D, Fisher had success.

So unless we can find our own version of McNair we’re gonna remain a .500 team, imo.

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Well, i think Snisher ‘gets’ how important the QB-position is.
I think every single coach in the NFL understands that.
But a lot of teams just havent been able to find a Russell Wilson.
It seems to be very difficult to guess/evaluate which college
QBs are gonna be good in the NFL.

Fisher bet on Bradford. A LOT of experts agreed
that Bradford would be good or very-good. He blew
out his knee twice, etc.
Then Fisher bet on Foles. A LOT of experts thought
Foles would be decent to good to very good.
Now Fisher made that call so he gets the ‘blame’ but
I dont think the problem is Fisher fails to understand
how important the QB position is.

Not every coach gets to pick no.1 when Andrew Luck is
sitting there 🙂

I’m sure Fisher has weaknesses (and strengths) but
failing to understand the importance of
having a good QB, probly aint one of his weaknesses.

…I’m not sure he’s the best guy to evaluate WRs, though.
I dunno.

w
v

March 6, 2016 at 11:36 am #40063

Winnbrad
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wv wrote:

Winnbrad wrote:

I don’t know. I don’t think Fisher is terrible. That’s a strong word for a coach that’s been around this many years and has had some success.

I think Fisher still underestimates the “new” league. He doesn’t seem to get the importance of good QB play and good WRs. This is a QB ONLY league now. A team has to have a good one. Even Seattle’s D, which has been great for a few years, wouldn’t go far without the solid playmaking ability of Wilson.

The one good QB Fisher had was Steve McNair, and he wasn’t great, but he was good enough. Coupled with a great running game and a good D, Fisher had success.

So unless we can find our own version of McNair we’re gonna remain a .500 team, imo.

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Well, i think Snisher ‘gets’ how important the QB-position is.
I think every single coach in the NFL understands that.
But a lot of teams just havent been able to find a Russell Wilson.
It seems to be very difficult to guess/evaluate which college
QBs are gonna be good in the NFL.

Fisher bet on Bradford. A LOT of experts agreed
that Bradford would be good or very-good. He blew
out his knee twice, etc.
Then Fisher bet on Foles. A LOT of experts thought
Foles would be decent to good to very good.
Now Fisher made that call so he gets the ‘blame’ but
I dont think the problem is Fisher fails to understand
how important the QB position is.

Not every coach gets to pick no.1 when Andrew Luck is
sitting there

I’m sure Fisher has weaknesses (and strengths) but
failing to understand the importance of
having a good QB, probly aint one of his weaknesses.

…I’m not sure he’s the best guy to evaluate WRs, though.
I dunno.

w
v

I’m sure you’re right. Fisher is a smart guy with about 40 years of football experience. He’s forgotten more about football than I know. But at some point, Fisher, Snead, the powers that be, have to do whatever it takes to get a good QB. I don’t care if they reach in the draft. I don’t care if they overpay for a guy and give up too much money or draft picks. Whatever it takes to make it happen. The people in charge need to get it done.

Winning the super bowl is the goal. If the Rams start the season with Keenum/Foles/Mannion/and some project to be named later, we will not be moving towards that goal. The QB play from this team is simply not good enough to make the playoffs. Especially in the NFC West.

So I don’t know. I don’t know what it takes to get a decent QB, but the Rams need to pull out all the stops, throw money around, do a rain dance, whatever it takes to make that happen.

March 6, 2016 at 12:52 pm #40065

wv
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Winnbrad wrote:

I’m sure you’re right. Fisher is a smart guy with about 40 years of football experience. He’s forgotten more about football than I know. But at some point, Fisher, Snead, the powers that be, have to do whatever it takes to get a good QB. I don’t care if they reach in the draft. I don’t care if they overpay for a guy and give up too much money or draft picks. Whatever it takes to make it happen. The people in charge need to get it done.

Winning the super bowl is the goal. If the Rams start the season with Keenum/Foles/Mannion/and some project to be named later, we will not be moving towards that goal. The QB play from this team is simply not good enough to make the playoffs. Especially in the NFC West.

So I don’t know. I don’t know what it takes to get a decent QB, but the Rams need to pull out all the stops, throw money around, do a rain dance, whatever it takes to make that happen.

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I feel the frustration too,
believe me.

I will pass the consensus-2-step-Plan
on to Kronky/Snisher:
1) Get good QB
2) Win Ring

…apparently, the powers-that-be are now, only
on year5 of the new Seven
Year plan 🙂

w
v

March 6, 2016 at 1:24 pm #40066

zn
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wv wrote:

apparently, the powers-that-be are now, only
on year5 of the new Seven
Year plan

I see the plan this way.

~~2013: we’re ready to win with Bradford~~
~~2014:Bradford’s back so we will win now~~
~~2015: Nick Foles can do it, time to win~~
2016: we’ll do something about qb

March 6, 2016 at 9:14 pm #40088

InvaderRam
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Winnbrad wrote:

I don’t know. I don’t think Fisher is terrible. That’s a strong word for a coach that’s been around this many years and has had some success.

I think Fisher still underestimates the “new” league. He doesn’t seem to get the importance of good QB play and good WRs. This is a QB ONLY league now. A team has to have a good one. Even Seattle’s D, which has been great for a few years, wouldn’t go far without the solid playmaking ability of Wilson.

The one good QB Fisher had was Steve McNair, and he wasn’t great, but he was good enough. Coupled with a great running game and a good D, Fisher had success.

So unless we can find our own version of McNair we’re gonna remain a .500 team, imo.

but superbowls have also been occupied by great defenses as well.

and this year. yeah peyton manning is a hall of famer but that’s not the peyton manning that won this superbowl. not to mention that the broncos defense was responsible for shutting down the reigning mvp qb newton.

i think fisher understands and maybe if there was one criticism of him it’s that he should not have traded bradford. but i was one of many who was on board with that decision so i made the same mistake as well.
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