Jared Goff & his future with the Rams

This is a good vid, but, to cut to the chase, they get to the Rams at about 6:12 in.

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zn wrote:

Honestly, the Rams coach should take a long, hard look in the mirror to determine whether the person with the joystick also deserves some criticism.

i only have issue with this. mcvay does not seem like the type of person to deflect blame. i mean his history is accepting responsibility. maybe it was just lip service? maybe.

they got shit to sort out. i hope they sort it out.

InvaderRam wrote:

i only have issue with this. mcvay does not seem like the type of person to deflect blame. i mean his history is accepting responsibility. maybe it was just lip service? maybe.

they got shit to sort out. i hope they sort it out.

Yes, it is just lip service. McVay talking about his shortcomings (i.e. not running the ball) is about the same as Martz saying “Shoot! We’ll fix that.”

After 4 years of McVay, I’d say McVay WILL always have the weakness of ignoring, at times, talented guys in the backfield. This goes back to 2017 when McVay had Goff throw the ball twice as much as he had Gurley run the ball.

And, yes, he will acknowledge ignoring his talented backs. I’m not sure how much he has talked about going away from the run this year, but I thought it was a problem in the losses to San Fran, Miami, NY Jets, and of course Green Bay. But sooner or later, McVay will return to his pass-heavy approach.

This is who he is! He is stubborn at times with his approach, and it’s becoming a pattern that talented defensive coordinators with some talent can get the best of a McVay offense.

I love what McVay has brought to the Rams, but what if he is more like Mike Martz than Andy Reid?

InvaderRam wrote:

the rams ranked 25th in passing play percentage though. and outside of 2019, the rams have consistently been a balanced offense.

i do think there is room for improvement. there has to be. he’s only 35 years old.

all i’m saying is i don’t completely dismiss mcvay’s criticism of goff.

This is partly why McVay is so frustrating at times. The offense is at its best when there IS a run / pass balance. And yet, McVay just abandons a balanced offense at times.

A lot of times, this happens in key situations against defenses who create problems for the Rams. (In the original post, I meant to say McVay passed twice as much as he ran AGAINST the Vikings & Mike Zimmer in 2017).

And I’m not sure McVay will change. I thought Goff would change and continue growing this year and get better and better. But he’s just an above average qb. He will never be a Peyton Manning type qb.

Sure, I’d like to see the Rams offense led by a HOF-type qb, but those are hard to find.

Being frustrated that we don’t have Mahomes or Rodgers leading our offense seems foolish to me.

McVay’s recent comments about Goff make me more concerned about McVay than Goff.

Cal wrote:

Being frustrated that we don’t have Mahomes or Rodgers leading our offense seems foolish to me.

i would agree with that. but we don’t know what mcvay is frustrated by. we’re all just guessing really at this point.

i think losing mcvay would be disastrous for the rams. i really do. to a certain extent i believe that about goff as well. as you said, finding a qb of his caliber is hard.

but mcvay has a chance to be special. i see nothing remotely close to martz in mcvay. i really don’t.

zn wrote:

Or IF he should be frustrated. Maybe he should just be a hard-working, head-down, steady coach.

and he usually is. i’m not too worried at this point. for one comment.

and he definitely inherited a lot of talent. for sure. but he did not inherit a good team.

Hram wrote:

McVay strikes me as the kind of person that if you jettison him, he comes back stronger with his next team a few years down the road.

Or the organization can be patient with him while he matures.

Goffs contract is going to look a lot better in a couple/three years when the cap goes up.

i agree with all of that. i just don’t like this pitting goff and mcvay against each other.

i have faith they’ll sort this out. until i see more that is.

From NFL Now: #Rams QB Jared Goff has done so many good things in LA – 45 wins since 2017! – while John Wolford impressed during his short window. Expect an open QB competition in camp to help it shake out, I'm told. pic.twitter.com/mPSEuaDiF1

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 27, 2021

joemad wrote:

yeah, McVay has been a dick recently, i kinda suspected that ever since their special teams coach left for Dallas last year…not sure if stemmed from the failed fake punt deep in their territory vs Seattle last year where McVay chewed out Fassel on the sidelines when it happened.

But Cowherd makes sense too ….big fat contract from player friendly contract to the unassuming QB.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the new GM connection in Detroit will take Goff for Stafford……..I’m not a big fan of Matthew Stafford…..that guy throws a lot of picks.

I hope they work it out and Goff stays…. I like Goff a lot.

OTOH, it seems to me that if McVay is a dick, we would have heard about it before. But he came in with universal acclaim as a well-liked guy, so it just doesn’t seem to line up. He could have changed, of course, once he became The Man and then suffered some losing, but…it seems to me that this would come out. Unnamed sources would say.

It may be that they are trying to light a fire under Goff, but that could be done privately. Saying it out loud is crass, and serves no useful purpose.

St. Loser Fan

D’Marco Farr was on 101.1 in St. Louis this morning.

He’s pretty much convinced Snead and McVay are just trying to motivate Goff.

zn wrote:

Zooey wrote:

it seems to me that if McVay is a dick, we would have heard about it before

We have.

There’s been all sorts of signs of that.

Like what?

I can’t imagine the Rams have decided they are definitely moving on from Goff.

That would be the most stunning news ever out of Rams world.

I would not be surprised to learn that they picked up the phone and talked to GB, and DET, and HOU, and maybe even somebody like the NYJ, but I have a hard time believing that they have decided that they cannot go forward with Goff.

I mean…Goff threw a lot of balls into the flat. But I have to believe that was what the play called for. I just have a very hard time believing that Goff did the dink and dunk when he wasn’t asked to do that. The man can throw the ball deep. I just. I just can’t see that. Even with the worst possible framing, Goff did not have a bad year. He is absolutely NOT the reason they won only one playoff game. Jesus. How many QBs played Zero playoff games?

Goff may not WIN games by creating explosive plays. But he doesn’t LOSE games, either.

Regarding the open competition talk. For the sake of discussion, let’s assume that it is 100% true and the starting job is up for grabs. Now let’s say that Wolford wins the job. I can’t imagine a scenario where the Rams have a backup QB who counts $34 million against the cap. That doesn’t seem like a good use of cap resources. Similarly, I can’t imagine Goff wanting to stick around as a full time backup. So in the unlikely event that Goff lost the competition I would imagine that he would be gone. Anyway, as I’ve said before I’m no cap expert, quite the opposite really, but this whole idea of there being a competition for the starting QB doesn’t strike me as being genuine. On the other hand, why would the McVay et al take such a big gamble and even start down this path? Bah, I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about. This just seems like a big mess to me.

Man.

If this is true….
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If the @RamsNFL are trying to move on from @JaredGoff16, their strategic blueprint is a mystery (that's far from 'beautiful')… @nflnetwork @PatrickClaybon pic.twitter.com/vDPlfNa4Ic

— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) January 27, 2021