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August 24, 2014 at 11:00 am #4740RamBillParticipant
Jake Long rusty in return
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10842/jake-long-rusty-in-return
CLEVELAND — St. Louis Rams left tackle Jake Long played in his first game on Saturday since having January knee surgery to repair a torn ACL and MCL. Eager to knock off the rust, Long played more than he was originally scheduled to after a little bit of lobbying.
Judging by how Long’s time in the game went, he’s going to need some more work in the preseason finale against Miami on Thursday to be closer to regular-season ready.
“We’ve got starters [who] need to play a little bit more,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “Jake played more plays than we expected because he wanted to play more plays than expected.”
Before Saturday night, Long hadn’t played since the third offensive play of the team’s penultimate game on Dec. 22, 2013 against Tampa Bay. Long tore the ACL and MCL in his right knee early in that game and had the necessary surgeries in January.
All along, the Rams maintained that Long could be back in time to play in the regular-season opener Sept. 7 against Minnesota and return to exhibition games about halfway through the preseason. That seemed a bit optimistic at the time, but Long has been practicing on a full-time basis for the better part of the past two-plus weeks.
The Rams held Long out of the second preseason game, but he got the start against the Cleveland Browns. As you’d might expect, Long’s return was noticeably shaky, especially on the opening series.
“The game speed picks up so there’s definitely some rust and some bad plays I had,” Long said. “It was good that I can get that out in the preseason and get some plays in before the start of the season.”
On the team’s first drive, Long picked up penalties for illegal hands to the face and a false start, costing the Rams 15 yards. Beyond that, Long was in the midst of what appeared to be a miscommunication that led to linebacker Barkevious Mingo blowing past him and creating the pressure that eventually resulted in linebacker Paul Kruger hitting quarterback Sam Bradford on his left knee.
Bradford bounced back up after that hit, but he didn’t five plays and two penalties later when Cleveland end Armonty Bryant again beat Long to get to Bradford. Bryant landed awkwardly on Bradford’s own surgically repaired knee and exited the game with an injury that is to be determined by further tests today.
“It’s horrible whenever guys go down, especially Sam, he’s been working so hard, but we’re hoping for the best and we’ll see what happens,” Long said.
Long played 27 snaps on the evening, which amounted to two full series as the Rams controlled the ball and clock for most of the first half. He said he felt better as the game went along.
“I was going to play as long as they kept me in there,” Long said. “I was feeling good, and I was moving around well and was really happy with it so I wanted to get out there, get the game speed and knock the rust off.”
August 24, 2014 at 11:00 am #4735RamBillParticipantSam continues building case for roster spot
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10837/sam-continues-building-case-for-roster-spot
CLEVELAND — As the preseason wears on and St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher’s gradual-build approach to it takes hold, snaps are increasingly difficult to come by for defensive end Michael Sam and other rookies hoping to crack the initial 53-man roster.
That means fewer chances for Sam to impress Fisher and his staff. It also means Sam has no choice but to make the most of the chances he’s afforded.
Michael Sam, Johnny Manziel
Rams rookie defensive end Michael Sam was able to sack Johnny Manziel twice Saturday.
To Sam’s credit, he seems to be doing that quite well as pursues a potential ninth — or even 10th — roster spot carved out for defensive linemen. On Saturday night at FirstEnergy Stadium, Sam drew plenty of attention by twice sacking Cleveland quarterback Johnny Manziel in the Rams’ 33-14 win.Defensive end Chris Long even joked about the internet breaking because of it. While the jokes were funny, Sam’s recent work in games is no laughing matter.
“With the plays you have, you’ve got to make sure you perform,” Sam said. “I thought I came up big in the fourth quarter.”
Under Fisher’s guidance, starters generally get more reps as the preseason wears on, leaving less work for the backups. It also means facing lesser players later in the game. Sam offers a prime example, entering the first preseason game against New Orleans in the first quarter but having to wait until the fourth to play against the Browns. He played 19 snaps on the night.
Sam wasted little time making his presence felt when he entered. Playing his most comfortable left end spot, Sam beat second-string tackle Martin Wallace around the edge, using both arms to knock away Wallace’s feeble attempt to block him.
Often labeled purely a run-and-chase player who gets most of his sacks on effort, Sam has made strides when it comes to hand usage and fundamentals according to Long.
“He’s gotten a lot better with that,” Long said. “When he came in he was very raw; he’s still raw but he continues to work at it. He’s like the rest of these rookies out there competing every day and he was able to make a play tonight and that was great for him.”
Sam drew a strong reaction from his teammates on the sideline when he followed the sack by doing his normal celebration capped off by an imitation of Manziel’s money sign.
“If you sack Johnny, you’ve got to do it,” Sam said. “At least once.”
Sam actually had a second opportunity to do it, though it faded quickly because his second sack came on the game’s final play. Sam appeared to wrangle Manziel down with about three other Rams, but the unofficial press-box statistics credited him for the takedown. So long as someone is willing to give it to him, Sam is happy to take it.
“That last sack belongs to me as well,” Sam said. “So that’s good. Because I need ‘em. I need ‘em.”
Indeed, regardless of the competition or the snap count, Sam can use every big play possible as he continues fighting for a roster spot. The Rams appear to have eight defensive line spots pretty well locked in, and though they’ve carried nine in their two years under coach Jeff Fisher, undrafted rookie Ethan Westbrooks has performed every bit as good or better than Sam throughout the preseason.
There’s a chance the Rams could go even heavier on the defensive line considering some injuries and versatility at other positions, but that’s no guarantee. The only way for Sam to make it is to earn it.
“I can only control what I can control,” Sam said. “I thought I got better today. I’m not only interviewing for the Rams but also interviewing for the other 31 teams. As long as I keep getting better, I have got one more week to get better and we’ll go from that.”
August 24, 2014 at 2:36 pm #4769RamBillParticipantW2W4 Revisited: St. Louis Rams
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10845/w2w4-revisited-st-louis-rams-3
CLEVELAND — Looking back at three things to watch from the St. Louis Rams’ 33-14 win against the Cleveland Browns on Saturday night.
1. Returning starters
As expected, the Rams got projected starters back in the form of left tackle Jake Long, defensive tackle Michael Brockers, guard Rodger Saffold and cornerback Janoris Jenkins on Saturday. All four started against the Browns, but there were some hiccups along the way. Brockers, who was coming back from an ankle injury, played just 10 snaps before leaving with another ankle injury. Saffold had a similar experience in his return from a stinger in his left shoulder. He started and played 17 snaps at left guard before departing with a right ankle injury. Neither injury appeared serious after the game, but we’ll know more after coach Jeff Fisher’s 6:30 p.m. ET news conference. Long was able to stay on the field for two full series and said he felt good but was clearly rusty as he picked up a couple of penalties and struggled in pass protection on the opening drive. Jenkins appeared to hold up fine for his 19 plays.2. A better idea
Coach Jeff Fisher made it a point to say he wanted to “stress” his team more in the third preseason game by adding some game planning and preparation for the game. Indeed, the Rams were a bit more open with their play-calling on both sides of the ball, and the results were good. Although it was clearly overshadowed by the rash of injuries that broke out in the first half, the Rams thoroughly dominated Cleveland regardless of which groups were on the field. Beyond the 19-point win, the Rams out gained the Browns 472 to 178 and had an impressive 12-of-19 third-down conversion rate. They averaged 8.3 yards per pass play, nearly twice as much as the 4.2 they allowed. Fisher said after the game that he’d like to get some of his starters more work in the preseason finale against Miami.3. Running revival
In the first two preseason games, the Rams struggled to get the run game going on offense and stop it on defense. But they were able to give both a bit of a jolt Saturday night. Offensively, the Rams rushed for 142 yards on 34 attempts, an average of 4.2 yards per attempt. Benny Cunningham made a surprise start in place of Zac Stacy, a move Fisher said was based solely on the desire to get Cunningham some work with the first-team offensive line. Cunningham made the most of it with five carries for 32 yards. Stacy again couldn’t find much room with five carries for 11 yards. Further down the depth chart, undrafted rookie Trey Watts outperformed third-round pick Tre Mason with his nine carries, 36 yards and a touchdown to Mason’s 10 for 29 yards. Even more promising was the defense’s improved tackling and run stopping, as that group held the Browns 15 carries for 32 yards, an average of 2.1 yards per attempt. Just like with the previous struggles, none of this is reason to get too high or too low, but it at least looked like progress.August 25, 2014 at 1:33 am #4990RamBillParticipantGood news on Brockers, Saffold, Langford
• By Joe LyonsThe news from Rams Park on Sunday wasn’t all bad. It just seemed that way.
Mixed in with confirmation that quarterback Sam Bradford re-injured his surgically repaired left knee in the first quarter of Saturday night’s 33-14 victory over the Browns in Cleveland and will be lost for the season, Rams coach Jeff Fisher pointed out that three other players who went down with first-half ankle injuries — offensive lineman Rodger Saffold and defensive tackles Michael Brockers and Kendall Langford — are not expected to miss significant time.
“All three can potentially play this Thursday night,” Fisher said.
And the news about cornerback Trumaine Johnson, who was carted off in the second quarter with a knee injury, was more promising than anticipated.
“We got good news, considering the mechanism of what happened to Trumaine Johnson,” Fisher added, “We’ll miss Trumaine anywhere from four to six weeks with an MCL sprain,’’ Fisher said. The injury does not require surgery.
The young Rams secondary features some options, including second-year player Brandon McGee and rookies Lamarcus Joyner and E.J. Gaines.
“They’ve been coming on,’’ Fisher said. “We’ve got a good group, a good solid group there. We’ll be OK there until Tru comes back.’’
Asked who might replace Johnson at cornerback opposite fellow third-year pro Janoris Jenkins, Fisher did not tip his hand.
“Brandon, E.J., or Lamarcus, it’s a good group to pull from,” he said.
ROBINSON OFF THE BENCH
Greg Robinson, the No. 2 overall selection in May’s draft, did not start in Cleveland, but the 6-foot-5, 332-pounder from Auburn did lead the team with 58 snaps.
“I wanted to get Rodger some time early,” Fisher explained. “We knew that Greg was going to play both positions (guard and tackle), so we got Rodger in there early and (right guard) Davin (Joseph) is playing well.
“Greg played pretty well. Again, he got plenty of snaps. He’s improving. He’s going to be a really good player for us.’’
WATTS, SAM SHINE
Undrafted free agent Trey Watts highlighted the Rams’ strong finish Saturday in his first significant playing time. The Tulsa product showed explosiveness and elusiveness in leading all rushers with 36 yards on nine carries to go along with three catches for 31 yards.
He closed out the scoring with a 12-yard touchdown run. On the play, Watts started right before cutting back to the middle of the field for the score.
“He’s very talented with the ball in his hands (and) I thought he was OK without the ball in his hands last night,” Fisher said. “In college, he was a versatile back, worked out out of the backfield, lined up in the slot and did all kinds of things. (He has) good run skills and vision. … It was good to see him make some plays.’’
Speaking of making plays, defensive end Michael Sam, the seventh-round draft pick from Mizzou, made the most of his 19 defensive snaps, sacking former Heisman Trophy winner Johnny Manziel twice and following up the first one with Johnny Football’s “money fingers” celebration.
“Michael’s making plays, yeah,’’ Fisher said. “We’ve moved people around because of the flow of the game, we played guys a little longer, so (we) didn’t give him as many reps as we’d like, but he’s probably going to get plenty of time to play this week.’’
KIRKSEY STARS
The Browns were paced defensively by linebacker Chris Kirksey, a Hazelwood East High product who led all tacklers in the game with five solo stops and a pair of assists. He had one tackle for loss, one pass defended and a third-quarter interception that he returned 23 yards to set up a 7-yard touchdown scramble by Manziel.
Kirksey, a 21-year-old who played at Iowa and was drafted in the third round, entered the game with a team-leading 11 tackles in the preseason and is making a bid for a starting spot at inside linebacker, a spot that’s crucial to the success of the Browns’ defensive system.
Another area product who played Saturday was rookie fullback Ray Agnew (DeSmet, SIUC), who had one reception for 4 yards. Agnew is the oldest son of former Rams defensive lineman Ray Agnew, an 11-year pro and a member of the Rams’ Super Bowl championship squad in 1999. The elder Agnew has been a fixture in the Rams’ front office since his playing days ended and was recently promoted to director of pro personnel.
August 25, 2014 at 1:48 am #4994rflParticipant“I was going to play as long as they kept me in there,” Long said. “I was feeling good, and I was moving around well and was really happy with it so I wanted to get out there, get the game speed and knock the rust off.”
Guy is a fraud.
By virtue of the absurd ...
August 25, 2014 at 2:55 am #4998MackeyserModeratorExcept for that play where our franchise QB got taken out for the season…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
August 25, 2014 at 8:26 am #5008wvParticipantExcept for that play where our franchise QB got taken out for the season…
I remember Laram saying Bradford and Jake Long
would have problems after their knee surgeries.Both of em combined on that play
to have ‘problems.’ Ah well.w
vAugust 25, 2014 at 8:31 am #5009znModeratorMackeyser wrote:
Except for that play where our franchise QB got taken out for the season…
I remember Laram saying Bradford and Jake Long
would have problems after their knee surgeries.Both of em combined on that play
to have ‘problems.’ Ah well.w
vExcept, it wasn’;t inevitable. Adrian Peterson didn;t have problems after his surgery. Brady didn’t have problems after his. And the problems Long had were twofold–one, he had massive rust, and 2, that’s just a rusty version of the guy he was last year already. The knee itself didn;t make him screw up that block. Being Jake Long, then a rusty version of that on top of it, are the twin culprits–the knee really has nothing to do with it (except indirectly, in that he had rust because he was recovering).
August 25, 2014 at 5:34 pm #5076RamBillParticipantRams rookie review: Preseason week 3
By Nick Wagonerhttp://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/10857/rams-rookie-review-preseason-week-3
EARTH CITY, Mo. — A look at playing time and production of each of the St. Louis Rams’ drafted rookies and a quick glimpse at the undrafted rookie class in Saturday’s 33-14 win against the Cleveland Browns.
OL Greg Robinson, first round, No. 2 overall: Robinson didn’t start against the Browns, mostly because his head is still spinning a bit as he tries to learn multiple positions. But he came in at left guard soon enough and played 58 snaps, most on the team. The Rams will try to get Robinson settled in at guard over the next couple of weeks so he can be ready for the opener.
DT Aaron Donald, first round, No. 13 overall: Donald had a strong third quarter, flashing the pass rush potential that has had many buzzing about him during camp. He played 24 snaps on defense and finished with two tackles, a sack and a forced fumble.
DB Lamarcus Joyner, second round, No. 41 overall: Joyner remains one of the busiest rookies on the team, playing 22 defensive snaps and seven more on special teams. Coach Jeff Fisher acknowledged him as the likely primary nickelback, and he handled that role against the Browns. The unofficial pressbox statistics had him down for a couple of tackles.
RB Tre Mason, third round, No. 75 overall: Mason continues get carries, but hasn’t been very productive with them. He played 20 snaps on offense and posted 29 yards on 10 carries. He had 18 of those yards on one run, meaning he gained 11 yards on the other nine carries. He simply hasn’t been able to get it going in extended looks during the first three preseason games.
S Maurice Alexander, fourth round, No. 110 overall: Alexander continues to be prominently involved though he only played 16 snaps on defense against the Browns. But he’s clearly viewed as a key special teams player as he posted another 11 snaps in Cleveland. Alexander didn’t register any stats on the unofficial pressbox numbers.
CB E.J. Gaines, sixth round, No. 188 overall: Gaines returned to the field after sitting against Green Bay, playing 14 snaps on defense and making one tackle. He appears to be in good shape to win a roster spot as the Rams have been taking longer looks at other corners.
QB Garrett Gilbert, sixth round, No. 214 overall: Gilbert was the fourth quarterback in against the Browns, playing 13 snaps and attempting just two passes. He completed one of them, for 23 yards, but that was it for him on the night. Austin Davis continues to offer more promise.
OT Mitchell Van Dyk, seventh round, No. 226 overall: Opportunities were few and far between for Van Dyk, who played six snaps on offense and five on special teams against Cleveland. He remains a long shot to land on the 53-man roster.
S Christian Bryant, seventh round, No. 241 overall: Bryant returned to his home state to play 12 snaps on defense and six more on special teams. He had one tackle in those limited chances.
DE Michael Sam, seventh round, No. 249 overall: Sam’s snaps have dwindled some, down to 19 against the Browns. But he made the most of the ones he got, coming up with two tackles, two sacks and two quarterback hits.
C Demetrius Rhaney, seventh round, No. 250 overall: Rhaney is still recovering from a knee injury and did not play.
Undrafted rookie roundup: Running back Trey Watts continues to make a strong impression, rushing for 36 yards on nine carries with a touchdown while playing 24 snaps on offense and six more on special teams. … Defensive lineman Ethan Westbrooks played the most snaps of any defensive player with 38, adding three more on special teams. He played inside and out and had a tackle and batted a pass. … Cornerback Marcus Roberson also continued getting extensive work in Cleveland, playing 24 snaps on defense and another 12 on special teams. He had two tackles and a fumble recovery.
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