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    McVay: Cooper Kupp, John Johnson III and Jonah Jackson to miss ‘extended period of time’ with injuries sustained in Week 2 against Cardinals, but injuries not season-ending
    Sep 16, 2024 at 03:28 PM

    Stu Jackson
    Senior Staff Writer

    WOODLAND HILLS, Calif. – Rams head coach Sean McVay on Monday said the injuries sustained by wide receiver Cooper Kupp (ankle), safety John Johnson III (shoulder) and offensive lineman Jonah Jackson (shoulder) in Week 2 against the Cardinals will keep those three players sidelined for an “extended period of time.”

    McVay specified that Kupp’s ankle injury is a sprain, while Jackson re-aggravated his shoulder injury from the preseason in the third quarter of yesterday’s game and continued to play through it.

    While none of the trio’s injuries are season-ending, all are candidates for Injured Reserve (IR), according to McVay.

    “We’re kind of running out of spots, and we’re only into Week 3 in terms of the return to play,” McVay said, alluding to the NFL rule allowing teams to designated up to 8 players to return from IR during the regular season. “But that is a possibility for all of those guys.”

    McVay also said kicker Joshua Karty has a “mild groin” injury “where we’ll keep him out (of practice) for the next couple of days,” but Karty should be good to go for this Sunday’s Week 3 game against the 49ers.

    Kupp’s injury comes in wake of Puka Nacua being placed on IR last week after spraining his posterior cruciate ligament (PCL) against the Lions in the season-opener; McVay has previously said Nacua could miss more than the minimum four games. Kupp had 18 catches for 147 yards and 1 touchdown prior to sustaining his ankle injury in the first half of this past Sunday’s game against the Cardinals.

    With Jackson’s injury, the Rams will be on their third left guard of the season heading into Sunday’s Week 3 game against the 49ers. Jackson slid over to that position from center after Steve Avila sprained his medial collateral ligament (MCL) against the Lions; Avila was subsequently placed on IR last week.

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    short version

    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    The Rams are now without these starters for multiple weeks:
    WR Cooper Kupp
    WR Puka Nacua
    CB Darious Williams
    LG/C Jonah Jackson
    LG/C Steve Avila
    Backup swing tackle Joe Noteboom
    S John Johnson III

    RG Kevin Dotson is playing through a foot injury.

    Others who will miss extended time:
    Starting LG Jonah Jackson re-aggravated his previous shoulder injury
    Starting safety John Johnson III also injured his shoulder.
    Numbers are already tight at IR so some decisions still to be made

    Sean McVay says Cooper Kupp (ankle) will miss an “extended period of time”.

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    Column: Rams’ failure to protect Matthew Stafford threatens to derail more than their season

    Dylan Hernández

    https://www.latimes.com/sports/rams/story/2024-09-16/rams-must-protect-matthew-stafford-future

    GLENDALE, Ariz. — He didn’t have any protection. He didn’t have any weapons.
    Matthew Stafford was a sitting duck in the Rams’ 41-10 loss to the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday.

    Playing behind an offensive line decimated by injuries, Stafford was sacked five times at State Farm Stadium. Starting the game without Puka Nacua and ending it with Cooper Kupp in a walking boot, the veteran quarterback led the Rams on only one touchdown drive.

    The season has barely started but already could be over, the Rams with a 0-2 record and the defending NFC champion San Francisco 49ers scheduled to visit them in Week 3.

    This is starting to feel like a repeat of the Rams’ five-win 2022 season when Stafford was beaten and beaten and beaten some more until he was shut down for the season because of a bruised spinal cord.

    How much more of this will Stafford be forced to endure?

    How much more of this can the 36-year-old take?

    The answers to these questions could have major Ram-ifications for the team, both in the short and long term.

    Any effort to emerge from this 0-2 start has to start with Stafford, who barely had any time to throw against the Cardinals.

    Four of the sacks were on third down, including early in the second quarter. Trailing 21-0, the Rams had the ball on the Cardinals’ seven-yard line when linebacker Zaven Collins ran around left tackle Warren McClendon Jr. and mauled Stafford from behind. The Rams settled for a field goal.

    “You can’t really get anything going if you don’t have the opportunity to let stuff develop,” coach Sean McVay said.

    The reasons were obvious. Starting left tackle Alaric Jackson was serving the back end of a two-game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy. Fellow lineman Steve Avila and Joe Noteboom went down in a season-opening loss to the Detroit Lions and were placed on injured reserve.

    Running backs Kyren Williams and Blake Corum combined to average just 2.7 yards per carry behind the makeshift offensive line, the absence of a viable running game allowing the Cardinals to key on Kupp — until the receiver injured his ankle on a 24-yard reception in the final minute of the first half.

    Kupp picked up a combined 13 yards in his previous three catches. He didn’t play in the second half.

    The Rams were already without Nacua, who suffered a knee injury in Week 1 and landed on IR. Kupp wore protective footwear in the locker room after the game.

    Stafford played the entire game, taking the field for his team’s final possession with a little more than four minutes remaining. The Rams were down by 31 points.

    Saying he didn’t want to place inexperienced backup Stetson Bennett in a compromising position, McVay selected to safeguard Stafford by exclusively running the ball.

    “Felt like he was going to be out of harm’s way,” McVay said. “No matter what happened, we weren’t going to throw the football.”

    The ability to protect Stafford could affect the Rams beyond this season. Stafford is technically under contract through the 2026 season, but in the wake of the most recent adjustment to his deal, he’s basically playing on a year-to-year basis.

    Stafford said on a podcast last month that he hoped to play another three or four seasons but also acknowledged that he considered retirement after the 2022 season.

    Stafford was sacked 29 times in just nine games that season and was twice placed in concussion protocol. Kupp also played just nine games, and the Rams didn’t have much of a ground attack.

    Sound familiar?

    Predictably, Stafford downplayed the pounding he endured against the Cardinals.

    “I feel fine,” he said.

    Stafford echoed McVay’s message about not using the missing players as excuses for the performance, saying that with Kupp and Nacua sidelined, he was looking forward to working with the likes of Demarcus Robinson, Tyler Johnson, Tutu Atwell and Jordan Whittington.

    “I got a ton of trust in them,” he said.

    Stafford delivered the kind of message that any team would want its on-field leader to deliver, but it didn’t solve anything.

    The Rams have to figure how to prevent their opponents from driving their old quarterback into their turf. The season will depend on it. The future will too.

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    Rams have injury crisis after being NFL’s healthiest team in 2023; how slew of ailments impacts Matt Stafford
    Is a 36-year-old Stafford safe behind patchwork OL while throwing to less experienced receivers?

    By Garrett Podell

    Crisis isn’t a word typically used when describing many situations in professional sports, but it’s fair when discussing the 0-2 Los Angeles Rams’ injury situation through two weeks of the 2024 NFL season.

    Quarterback Matthew Stafford’s longtime favorite target in Los Angeles, wide receiver Cooper Kupp, could miss “an extended period of time” after suffering a left ankle sprain in the team’s 41-10 loss against the Arizona Cardinals on Sunday, per ESPN. Kupp suffered an ankle sprain in Week 10 against the Cardinals in 2022 and needed season-ending surgery to fix the issue. Kupp is a candidate for injured reserve in 2024. as are guard Jonah Jackson (shoulder) and safety John Johnson III (shoulder), after Week 2.

    “We’re kind of running out of those [injured reserve] spots and we’re only into Week 3 in terms of the return to play, but that is a possibility for all of those guys,” McVay said, via ESPN.

    The trio of Kupp, Jackson and Johnson join a CVS receipt-long list of players on injured reserve, putting the prospects of the postseason in 2024 in early jeopardy.

    Notable Rams on injured reserve
    WR Cooper Kupp (ankle): possible IR candidate
    WR Puka Nacua (knee): IR
    TE Tyler Higbee (knee): PUP
    OT Joe Noteboom (ankle): IR
    OT KT Leveston (ankle): IR
    OT Conor McDermott (undisclosed): IR
    OG Steve Avila (knee): IR
    OG Jonah Jackson (shoulder): possible IR candidate
    DL Larrell Muchison (arm): IR
    CB Darious Williams (hamstring): IR
    CB Derion Kendrick (knee): IR
    S John Johnson III (shoulder): possible IR candidate
    McVay even noted how chaotic the offensive line’s lack of continuity in front of Stafford is just two games into the season.

    “The amount of moving parts that we’ve had offensive line-wise has been wild,” McVay said. “And that’s such an important spot to be able to get a rapport with the guy that you’re playing next to.”

    It’s remarkable the Rams are at this point despite McVay putting almost ever starter on ice in the preseason outside of joint practices, but according to Yahoo Sports, this glut of injuries isn’t all that surprising given the team’s recent trends.

    “One tangible reason to worry about Rams regression is their injury luck last season,” Yahoo Sports’ Frank Schwab wrote in July. “In 2022 they dealt with numerous injuries and finished second in adjusted games lost due to injury (a metric by Aaron Schatz of FTN Fantasy). The pendulum swung the other way and last season the Rams were the healthiest team in the NFL, finishing with the fewest adjusted games lost due to injury. It went from 146.6 AGL in 2022 to 26.4 last season, which is an incredible shift and shows how injury luck often has no rhyme or reason. The Rams’ good fortune last season included the fourth-fewest injuries on offense and the fewest on defense. Just like the Rams’ miserable 2022 injury luck, the great run from last season is unlikely to repeat. Though, as Schatz pointed out, the Rams were in the top 10 in fewest AGL for six seasons in a row before 2022, so perhaps they have a formula that works.”

    What to do with Stafford?
    It turns out Los Angeles’ injury formula was unable to prevent all these injuries, leaving their 36-year-old quarterback in danger. Stafford threw for 216 yards and lost a fumble after being sacked five times in the loss against the Cardinals, tied for the third-most in Week 2 entering “Monday Night Football.” Part of the reason he was sacked so many times is because his 3.25 seconds to throw ranked as the fifth-longest average time to throw in Week 2 as he was scanning the field, desperate to find targets who could get themselves open with both Kupp and Nacua on the shelf. Life could get even more uncomfortable for Stafford ahead of the Rams’ Week 6 bye with Los Angeles set to face Nick Bosa’s San Francisco 49ers, Montez Sweat’s Chicago Bears and Rashan Gary’s Green Bay Packers the next three weeks.

    While this may sound silly, it might be worth considering at some point during the year if all the aforementioned players’ stays on injured reserve last for weeks: should the Rams put Stafford in bubble wrap and wait to put him back on the field until his offensive line and/or receiving core is healthier? Stafford missed the second half of the 2022 season with a spinal cord contusion and concussion, which led to him having to clear up that he wasn’t retiring in the 2023 offseason.

    Three-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year and future Hall of Famer Aaron Donald is retired, leaving the Rams defensive front seven extremely young with rookies Jared Verse (2024 first round pick) and Braden Fiske (2024 second round pick) along the defensive line next to second-year players in Kobie Turner and Byron Young. Two key corners in Darious Williams and Derion Kendrick are on injured reserve. Donald no longer being around to be Los Angeles’ magic eraser when it comes to potential defensive weaknesses is a massive deal.

    In the time since the NFL postseason expanded to 14 teams in the 2020 season, two teams across the previous four seasons have started 0-2 and made the playoffs, the Cincinnati Bengals in 2022 and the Houston Texans in 2023. Just five of those 32 finished their respective seasons with winning records. Los Angeles is up against in Week 3 against it since it is facing the reigning NFC champion San Francisco 49ers with a depleted roster. No NFL team to begin a year 0-3 has gone on to win a Super Bowl.

    Should the Rams start 0-3 with all these injuries piling up, it would make a little sense, even though it would be pretty extreme, to preserve Stafford until his offensive line’s and receiving room’s health improves. Losing a few games early could go a long way toward providing general manager Les Snead much better draft picks in 2025. Better picks could be used to inject more youth into a squad that is aging rapidly in some positions. Or, Los Angeles could trade away its picks in the name of veteran aide, a Snead special. The Rams currently own the 2025 draft rights to their own first, third, fourth and sixth-round draft choice while also possessing a sixth-round pick from the Atlanta Falcons, Pittsburgh Steelers and Houston Texans via the Pittsburgh Steelers. {NB: This paragraph demonstrates that the article was written by a guy who doesn’t really follow the Rams}

    McVay has long raved about his kinship with Stafford as a football mind, but his quarterback’s body may not be around for much longer if the Rams don’t take action quickly as their 2024 season continues to spiral out of control.

     

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    Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
    #Rams starting guard Jonah Jackson suffered a fractured scapula and is likely headed to injured Reserve, sources said. A similar injury to what he has in training camp.
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    Ian Rapoport@RapSheet
    #Rams starting guard Jonah Jackson suffered a fractured scapula and is likely headed to injured Reserve, sources said. A similar injury to what he has in training camp.

     

    Hopefully Limmer develops into a reliable center over the next 4 to 5 weeks and when Avila returns he steps in at LG. If/when J. Jackson returns after however many weeks maybe he has to step in at RG because Dotson will be out by that time. Anyway, it would be nice if Limmer ends up being the Rams go to center for next year and Avila dominates at LG for the rest of his career. Two young guys on the interior of the line is a good place to start.

    #152269
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    Um.  Sigh.  Season is over, guys.

    I mean, this is just too much to overcome.

    Might play a spoiler role in the last month or so, but thats about it.

    Damn.

     

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    McVay: Cooper Kupp, John Johnson III and Jonah Jackson to miss ‘extended period of time’ with injuries sustained in Week 2 against Cardinals, but injuries not season-ending

    Stu Jackson@StuJRams
    McVay said none of these injuries are season-ending, but all three players are candidates for Injured Reserve McVay also clarified it’s an ankle sprain for Kupp
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    Orlovsky, essentially sayin season is over.

    #152273
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    Orlovsky, essentially sayin season is over.

    And after the Rams beat the 49ers this week, he will be saying McVay and Snead are geniuses the way they keep finding great receivers where nobody else does.

    So it goes.

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    On paper, it sure looked like a good OL.Image

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    On paper, it sure looked like a good OL.Image

    omg

    #152281
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    On paper, it sure looked like a good OL.

    I’m going to hazard a guess. My bet is that the highest ranking OLs at the moment don’t have major injuries combined with suspensions. In ARZ the Rams were on their 4th LOT.  I can’t remember any time where a team did well playing its 4th LOT.

    I know you know this. But it never stops amazing me when some fans and some national reporters and analysts don’t account for that. It amazed me in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, and 2022.

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    In ARZ the Rams were on their 4th LOT.

    A guy who was starting an NFL game for the 2nd time in his life.

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    I’m going to hazard a guess. My bet is that the highest ranking OLs at the moment don’t have major injuries combined with suspensions. In ARZ the Rams were on their 4th LOT. I can’t remember any time where a team did well playing its 4th LOT. I know you know this. But it never stops amazing me when some fans and some national reporters and analysts don’t account for that. It amazed me in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011, and 2022.

     

    Obviously, Stafford failed to elevate the team.

     

    Plus, fire the OC.

     

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    #152288
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    Sean McVay says they are not sure yet whether Cooper Kupp will eventually go on IR, though he does confirm injury is not season ending and no procedure will be needed. Indication is this recovery will have a fluid timeline – plus managing IR return designation allotment.
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    Kupp will wear a cast this week then start to rehab, per McVay
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    Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
    Cooper Kupp (ankle) and Davis Allen (back) are ruled out for Sunday’s game, per Sean McVay.

    Josh Karty (groin), Bobby Brown (ankle) and Cobie Durant (toe) will be questionable.

    Allen being out obviously impacts flexibility with different personnels w/ Kupp, Nacua also out.

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    Kam Kinchens among players in line for ‘elevated role’ with John Johnson III out

    Stu Jackson

    https://www.therams.com/news/kam-kinchens-among-players-in-line-for-elevated-role-with-john-johnson-iii-out

    WOODLAND HILLS, Calif. – With starting safety John Johnson III out for an extended period of time because of a Week 2 shoulder injury, rookie safety Kamren Kinchens is one of the players set to see more playing time beginning with Sunday’s Week 3 home game against the 49ers.

    “Obviously when that happens, guys have to step up, so he’ll definitely take on an elevated role and so will some other guys too,” defensive coordinator Chris Shula said Thursday.

    Kinchens’ playmaking in training camp and the Rams’ four joint practices in the preseason showcased his range and physicality. General manager Les Snead on one of the team’s preseason broadcasts said Los Angeles’ third-round draft pick has “definitely earned his equity and trust.” Likewise, pass game coordinator/assistant head coach Aubrey Pleasant said last month that Kinchens’ attention to detail is “probably a little bit above par” compared to normal rookies. Pleasant also praised Kinchens’ recall.

    Kinchens has seen 14 snaps so far on defense; the other 23 of his 37 have come on special teams. Out of those 14 defensive snaps, he’s lined up at free safety on 13 and in the slot on 1. That split somewhat mirrored his usage at the University of Miami; 67.4% of his snaps came at free safety, 32.6% in the slot, according to Pro Football Focus data.

    “Just playing where they want me to be at,” Kinchens said. “Kind of filling that role with JJ, or even if it was Q(uentin Lake) or Kam (Curl), just being a plug-in player. Wherever they need me to be, that’s where I’m at to help.”

    Shula said Kinchens has been a “really mature rookie” since his first day with the team.

    “Obviously, he’s a guy that we knew when the pads come on, he kind of comes to life,” Shula said. “Really good ball skills, really good communication. So really excited about him.”

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    Just curious, anyone blame the Rams for these injuries?     Is it just bad luck, or are they doing something wrong?

    Anyone blame capitalism?

    Anyone blame zn ?

     

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    #152306
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    Just curious, anyone blame the Rams for these injuries?     Is it just bad luck, or are they doing something wrong?

    I’ve wondered that myself.

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