informal poll: will Fisher be the coach next year?

He’s done

Agamemnon wrote:

I don’t think it is about Fisher anymore. I think it is about Goff

I have been squarely in this corner up until just recently…now I’m wavering a little. The fact that the Rams didn’t release the Fisher extension and then it mysteriously is leaked and then Demoff gives him far less than an endorsement is talking to me.

I don’t think I’m swayed yet that he’s getting a severance, but it has my attention.

As you say Ag, I think it’s more about Goff than it is about the head coach. I like Weinke and Groh and believe those guys are a good nucleus to help Goff. Just going from Pre-season to now, he is miles from where he started. Boras is a different animal in my opinion…I want him replaced.

What I want….IF Fisher is retained he absolutely needs a new established OC like Turner, but it doesn’t have to be him. I do not want another year of Fisher and Boras.

If Fisher is fired I’ll hold out and see what coaches are making it known they are available and discuss my wishes then.

I’d prefer Fisher to move up stairs, working under Demoff. Keep Snead as GM, and hire a new Head Coach. There are some names that I do consider bringing in, and not in any order,

1. Teryl Austin DC Detroit Lions

2. Darrell Bevell OC Seattle Seahawks

3. Jim Bob Cooper OC Detroit Lions

4. Ken Norton Jr. DC Oakland Raiders

5. Urban Meyer HC Ohio State (sleeper, if he wins national title)

6. Brian Kelly HC Notre Dame

This offense needs Mike Martz.

He signed a two year contract extension so I think he stays for two years. We will not know if he stays longer until this time in 2018.

what i want.

well i don’t want fisher to be fired. i want him to succeed and for the rams to succeed. but i am not confident that can happen at this point.

what i think needs to happen.

i think fisher needs to be fired. i don’t think fisher can succeed under these circumstances. i think at some point things need to be changed. i know that’s not a popular opinion here, but i do think change for the sake of change can sometimes be good. i think things have become stagnant. i don’t think you can call it exactly this group had become comfortable with losing. i think that’s not accurate, but it’s hard for me to describe it any other way. maybe they’re too comfortable with jeff. i don’t know.

what i think will happen.

i think he’s gone. part of me thinks snead is safe. but i’m not sure. but it sounds like at least one of them is gone if not both. i’m nearly certain that they’re not both coming back. someone is getting thrown under the bus. it’s all very strange.

• This reply was modified 7 years, 11 months ago by InvaderRam.

I have not heard one compelling argument for keeping Jeff Fisher.

I’ve heard why he should be given another CHANCE. And that doesn’t even convince me. But I haven’t heard anyone make a strong argument why he should have the right to coach this team going forward.

I don’t even care about keeping Goff in this “system”–whatever it is. It’s a horrible offense. I get that things aren’t clicking because of A) Gurley B) The offensive line C) Boras D)Fisher. I don’t care. It doesn’t work and they show me no signs of being able to fix it. I’d rather Goff learn under a better offensive mind.

I do not want to have to rely week in and week out on winning games with a 9-6 score. I want Goff to be able to win a shootout if he has to.

He has had five years. If it was all bad luck–sorry. That’s the NFL. I can’t imagine there are any other teams who would keep a coach around with his five year record. The Rams shouldn’t either.

You had your chance, Jeff.

Let someone else have a shot.

Or as Chris Cooper said in the motion picture, “Adaptation”: “Done with Fish.”

Having said that–if he goes 2-2 the next four I believe he will be back. If he drops all four–eh. Maybe not.

Zooey wrote:

But find me one example from the career of Stan Kroenke where he made a decision…a business choice…and then second guessed himself, and reversed course.

I haven’t really followed his career in other sports and such but I will say that I would be more surprised if he were fired than if they kept him around for another year. As I said, IF they drop the next four maybe–just MAYBE, he gets the sense that fans may begin to lose some enthusiasm for the team and leave him with half empty stadiums and that’s not what he wants going into the new stadium. On the other hand–maybe he doesn’t care how empty it is at the Colosseum right now, and figures just the excitement of a new stadium and new coach–at THAT time–will give him what he needs. Plus, if the Chargers are helping with costs–who knows?

How important is actually winning to him?

It’s a good question. I think the answer may lie in how that affects the bottom line.

I don’t think he’s a fan like WE’RE a fan. Not close. He’s not a Mark Cuban.

But anyway–I believe it is more likely Fisher stays next year.

zn wrote:

PA Ram wrote:

How important is actually winning to him?

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I don’t agree with the way you frame that.

You build in an assumption I don’t accept.

You ASSUME that sticking with Fisher would mean not caring about winning. Well you make see it that way but it would take A LOT to make me think SK saw it that way.

Now you are a dedicated Recordite but what if SK is a Contextista? What if he believes, legitimately, that Fisher does not reduce to his record, but that the situation worked against him? That is–they need a qb and have for 3 years.

Unless you want to be a completely fundamentalist Recordite, which knowing you I assume you don’t (ie. the fundamentalist part), you have to concede it’s at least theoretically possible someone else, including SK, could see it differently.

We don’t know what will happen. We all have guesses. For that matter we could ALL be completely wrong and things happen for reasons no one anticipated. BUT what we CAN’T do IMO is speak for SK as if we knew his mind through mind-reading.

So to me you just have to concede this…for all we know, SK does not share your assumptions. That’s really possible.

Again we are mostly just debating things based on what each of us thinks. That makes it a clash of opinions. When it comes to SK’s mind, we’re all just guessing. So absolutely, I would never simply assume that (1) SK “doesn’t care about winning,” and (2) that for him keeping Fisher would mean he “doesn’t care about winning.” That’s YOU. It’s a valid opinion in terms of it just being an opinion, but you cannot possibly claim you know SK’s mind

There are perfectly valid ways to construe this where he keeps Fisher BECAUSE he cares about winning.

Fair enough?

Yes–that is fair.

I said that I didn’t know enough about Stan to know his mind and then made a statement about him not caring like we care. And I absolutely have no idea. Those are just assumptions–you’re right.

But the contextistas are wrong. That’s one thing I think we can all agree on. 🙂

zn wrote:

How many Recordites does it take to change a lightbulb?
I don’t know what’s the tally so far?

How many Contextistas does it take to change a lightbulb?
Well describe the situation

Now that was pretty funny..Kudos