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November 2, 2020 at 1:57 am #123710waterfieldParticipant
it will be for one simple reason-IMO. People that should be having children are not and the people that should not be are. Unfortunately I don’t see how those circumstances can be changed.
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November 2, 2020 at 8:59 am #123715wvParticipantNah. It will be because FoxNews and the Evangelicals and the Corporations and Team-Trump did a more effective job than Team-Dem. And because of a startling amount of Cheating.
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vNovember 2, 2020 at 9:04 am #123717Billy_TParticipantIMO, that’s not why he may “win.” He simply doesn’t have the votes. Which is why he and the GOP have worked so hard to steal the election, primarily via voter suppression, direct intimidation, armed “militias” at polling places, the corruption of the Postal Service, and an endless parade of lawsuits to shut down vote counting.
The plan regarding those last two items is beyond clear. Trump and the GOP purposely slowed down the mail on the front end, so they could claim, later, that no vote counted after the 3rd is legit. Trump has said, publicly, that it’s “fraud” to do what we’ve always done in our elections, and what state laws force us to do. How many of Trump’s supporters know this or care? Some states can’t even start counting votes until Election Day, and Trump and the GOP are trying to make the case that if they can’t finish the count — and most states can’t — the uncounted votes get tossed.
Throw in a more surgical approach, where Trump and the GOP have gone after specific batches of votes in Dem areas — into the hundreds of thousands — and it’s beyond clear they know they can’t win without cheating. They know it, or they wouldn’t be so desperately corrupting the process.
November 2, 2020 at 9:05 am #123718Billy_TParticipantNah. It will be because FoxNews and the Evangelicals and the Corporations and Team-Trump did a more effective job than Team-Dem. And because of a startling amount of Cheating.
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vYeah, I missed the first part. Good point.
November 2, 2020 at 9:14 am #123719Billy_TParticipantAlso: While I’d much prefer changing our system to democratic sortition, rotating reps locally, regionally, and nationally via lottery, instead of elections, as a kind of Civic Peace Corp for all . . . We have got to fix the system we have until we evolve.
It’s insane that most states can’t even start to count votes until Election Day. That’s just nutz. We should have even earlier open voting, and votes should be tabulated as the come in. I also think we need to work on smartphone and computer voting as an option. Official apps. Unbreakable encryption. VPN and unique identifier come with the app. Software to make sure no duplicate numbers are tallied, etc.
If the youngins could vote from their phones? Sheeesh. We’d likely see a much needed “revolution” in our politics.
November 2, 2020 at 9:24 am #123720Billy_TParticipantI’m guessing everyone has seen the videos by now, of the Texas yahoos surrounding a lone Biden campaign bus on the highway, knocking cars out of the way, and slowing it down to 20 miles an hour. Trump lied about their intent at his rally, praised them, and now is denouncing the FBI for looking into it.
November 2, 2020 at 9:56 am #123727wvParticipantI’m guessing everyone has seen the videos by now, of the Texas yahoos surrounding a lone Biden campaign bus on the highway, knocking cars out of the way, and slowing it down to 20 miles an hour. Trump lied about their intent at his rally, praised them, and now is denouncing the FBI for looking into it.
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Yeah, its mostly in the red-states. Surreal.
Looks like there’s gonna be violence if Biden wins, for sure.
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vNovember 2, 2020 at 9:59 am #123728Billy_TParticipantAnother angle, plus video, on the incident in Texas. This is on Trump. He’s encouraged this, praises it when it happens, and bitches at any attempt to hold these people accountable.
Trump cheers supporters who swarmed a Biden bus in Texas: ‘These patriots did nothing wrong’
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____Getting back to Waterfield’s original point: Even though I don’t see Trump having any kind of voting majority, I do think there are far too many Americans who revel in cruelty. Of course, this may have always been the case. But because we have so many forms of communication these days, especially the Internet, we see them, and they see each other, gather, organize and that cruelty is weaponized.
Throw in the absolutely insane proliferation of guns in America, and the mass victories by the gun lobby to shut down common sense restraints, and this country has never had so many citizens openly pursuing that cruelty.
In Greg Grandin’s must-read The End of the Myth, he talks about safety/release valves in the past, with the most important being the idea of an “endless frontier.” When Americans believe they have new places to conquer (and exploit, and dominate, and control), they tend not to turn against one another as much. Those endless frontiers are gone.
I doubt the largely illiterate Trump has thought about this, but he, with the help of neo-fascists like Bannon, tapped into this indirectly. They weaponized fear of the Other outside and inside our borders, while fetishizing the Wall. As in, subconsciously, at least, drilling down on the idea that the frontier is gone, now it’s time to turn against one another and those people on the other side of “the Wall.”
The fall of the Roman Empire is going to get nastier and nastier with each coming day.
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November 2, 2020 at 10:12 am #123732Billy_TParticipantSorry for all of these posts. But thought this was important.
Just saw on CNN that the Republican-controlled legislature in Pennsylvania is the reason why they can’t even start counting votes until Election Morning. They put those rules in place.
It’s a very well-coordinated GOP plan, nation-wide, to suppress the vote to favor the GOP. They’re attacking the Dem votes from all angles, using every lever of power they can muster.
November 2, 2020 at 10:56 am #123730Billy_TParticipantI’m guessing everyone has seen the videos by now, of the Texas yahoos surrounding a lone Biden campaign bus on the highway, knocking cars out of the way, and slowing it down to 20 miles an hour. Trump lied about their intent at his rally, praised them, and now is denouncing the FBI for looking into it.
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Yeah, its mostly in the red-states. Surreal.
Looks like there’s gonna be violence if Biden wins, for sure.
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vHope you and your family stay safe and careful. Best wishes for the entire board.
November 2, 2020 at 2:29 pm #123744ZooeyModeratorI agree with wv and billy.
I have little doubt that if every person’s vote in this country is counted, Trump will lose, even factoring in the Electoral College point system. And if the election were determined by popular vote, there is no way Trump could possibly win, even with all the voter suppression.
If he wins, it will be because the GOP successfully destroyed enough ballots physically, or through the legal system.
Anyway. Taco Tuesday tomorrow.
November 2, 2020 at 2:55 pm #123745wvParticipantSo how are you guys keeping up with the election tomorrow? Fox News? Just gonna bounce around the internet? BBC?
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vNovember 2, 2020 at 5:05 pm #123752ZooeyModeratorI am going to pick up a bottle of tequila and a couple of lemons on the way home, take off my pants, and walk around the neighborhood singing Irish ballads until dawn.
November 2, 2020 at 9:36 pm #123763znModeratorI like others, await.
November 3, 2020 at 2:14 am #123770TSRFParticipantFirst, the wife and I are going to vote. Then we’re going to split a bagel. Then we’re going to go to Shop Rite, buy a big chunk of pork and go home and fire up the smoker. I’ll be smoking trump in effigy!
November 3, 2020 at 8:21 am #123772Billy_TParticipantI tried to vote last week, in person, but the lines were far too long, outside and inside, and the place had rather lax enforcement of Covid rules, so I turned away.
Have to hope it’s better today at our little local place, but I doubt it. Will drive over there to see, but I have a feeling this may be the first election I won’t be able to cast a vote in a long, long time. Have managed Covid primarily by sticking with very quick trips in and out of places that appear to be enforcing good protocols, etc.
(Had a heated verbal altercation in a Costco recently, but that’s a story for another day)
My state is set to defeat Trump fairly comfortably, so I’m not feeling too guilty if I can’t manage this. But I’ll give it a try.
(I should have requested a ballot early on but didn’t.)
Anyway, I’ll be reading Spinoza and a Booker winner by Anna Burns, Milkman, and reading the news now and then. Have champagne reading to pop if we find out late tonight, but tomorrow’s more likely. Or even later, if Il Duce allows it.
;>)
Again, stay safe everyone!!
November 3, 2020 at 9:17 am #123775ZooeyModeratorNovember 3, 2020 at 10:03 am #123777Billy_TParticipantZooey,
I’m a bit confused by your proposed way of dealing with today. If you’re going to be singing Irish ballads, in various stages of undress, why the Tequila? Why not Jameson, Joyce’s favorite, or any other kind of true Irish whiskey? At least go for Guinness!!
And to prepare for it all, why not reread The Ginger Man (Donleavy), one of the best prose performances in the English language? I’ve reread it meself five or six times, and while Sebastian Dangerfield’s actions at times are cringe-worthy, and he’s the epitome of an unwoke antihero, I still love it overall. Personally, I’d put the quality of the prose up there with Joyce, Woolf, Wyndham Lewis, Ford Madox Ford, Djuna Barnes, and another grossly underappreciated Irish writer, Sean O’Faolain (especially Bird Alone).
Signed, Puzzled, wish I were in Killarney.
November 3, 2020 at 10:33 am #123778ZooeyModeratorZooey,
I’m a bit confused by your proposed way of dealing with today. If you’re going to be singing Irish ballads, in various stages of undress, why the Tequila? Why not Jameson, Joyce’s favorite, or any other kind of true Irish whiskey? At least go for Guinness!!
Because America is multi-cultural, Billy. I am covering our European heritage with the Irish ballads, our Latino heritage with the tequila, the Republican party with my pants off. I’m all-inclusive.
November 3, 2020 at 10:35 am #123779ZooeyModeratorAnd I just came across this. Can’t be any worse than network coverage, and is probably going to be better.
See you tonight 8 pm EST for live election results! https://t.co/iQOWHHirLh pic.twitter.com/Frs0qKFHLt
— Krystal Ball (@krystalball) November 3, 2020
November 3, 2020 at 10:55 am #123780Billy_TParticipantZooey,
I’m a bit confused by your proposed way of dealing with today. If you’re going to be singing Irish ballads, in various stages of undress, why the Tequila? Why not Jameson, Joyce’s favorite, or any other kind of true Irish whiskey? At least go for Guinness!!
Because America is multi-cultural, Billy. I am covering our European heritage with the Irish ballads, our Latino heritage with the tequila, the Republican party with my pants off. I’m all-inclusive.
As the young kids used to say — well, some of them — Oh, snap!
;>)
But, to truly represent the Republican party, you’d also have to set your hair on fire, and your family probably won’t like the results too much, if I can state things rather baldly.
November 3, 2020 at 3:25 pm #123788Billy_TParticipantWell, turns out I did get to vote. Not ideal. But they helped me “curbside,” and it was pretty quick overall. Ten minutes, give or take.
I’m still not getting the point of people wearing one of those face shields without the mask underneath it. Not gonna really stop the transmission of the virus.
Anyway, feels good. Now the long wait. Will it be a night of sorrows, in which case I’ll have to drink up a storm? Or will it be a night of celebration, in which case I’ll . . . . have to drink up a storm?
November 3, 2020 at 3:30 pm #123789wvParticipant<
But, to truly represent the Republican party, you’d also have to set your hair on fire, and your family probably won’t like the results too much, if I can state things rather baldly.
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Dont pay any attention to him BT. I hear he’s one of those Seahawk-AnTeeFa naked-socialist-terrorists.
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