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October 12, 2015 at 9:31 am #32202
JackPMillerParticipantI know people are going to bash him and such, but lets remember, we have two rookies starting on the OLine. Another, not really a rookie, but it feels like Barrett Jones is one. Both Rob Havenstein and Jamon Brown are not considered strong pass blockers, which they are learning on the fly. We need to let it time to jell. Just wanted to throw in my two sense, or cents, or however it is.
October 12, 2015 at 10:56 am #32208
znModeratorI know people are going to bash him and such, but lets remember, we have two rookies starting on the OLine. Another, not really a rookie, but it feels like Barrett Jones is one. Both Rob Havenstein and Jamon Brown are not considered strong pass blockers, which they are learning on the fly. We need to let it time to jell. Just wanted to throw in my two sense, or cents, or however it is.
Jack—that was the worst performance by a Rams qb in years. Name the last time a Rams qb completed 33-something % of his passes and had 4 INTs in one game. Not even Boller, Null, Davis, or Hill managed THAT. And they all had bad OLs to work with too.
And don’t tell me about the OL. I have been saying for years that bad OL play brings the qb down with it. It’s just that usually the culprit has not been inexperience, like this year; in the past it was massive extensive injuries. That covers 2007-2009, 2011, the first half of 2012, and 2014.
So were you making the same argument you are now when the qb was Bulger? Or Bradford? Yet they had to play with struggling offensive lines.
I am not going to whitewash how poorly Foles played, though yeah he was stuck behind a struggling line. Yet as I said that is an old, old story for Rams qbs.
I am also not giving up on Foles. He obviously can be better than he was yesterday…we’ve seen it.
But I would feel better about your argument if you were saying the exact same things in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2012.
And I don;t know why you mention Barrett Jones. Last I looked he was on the Steelers practice squad.
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October 12, 2015 at 12:05 pm #32223
Eternal RamnationParticipantI think there is more than enough blame to go around. Foles had a terrible game but he did not get much help. The rookies played pretty good it was Robinson Reynolds and Barnes that were historically bad on the OL particularly Robinson who had the worst game of his short career and sadly he is getting worse not better like he should be. Cook should be cut after that cowardly quit on the crossing route. Everyone else was playing hard the effort was there but not Cook. The guy does not fit the tough physical team template Fisher is trying to build.
October 12, 2015 at 12:19 pm #32225znModeratorFoles had a terrible game but he did not get much help.
I don’t think anyone sees it differently.
But as I said, not giving the qb much help is an old old Rams story.
Yet nobody, not even Null or Boller, threw for 11 of 30 and 4 INTs.
So “no help for the qb” is like I said an old Rams story, but this one was especially bad by the qb on top of it.
And still I am not giving up on Foles. He can do it, we’ve seen it.
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October 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm #32232Eternal RamnationParticipantFoles had a terrible game but he did not get much help.
I don’t think anyone sees it differently.
But as I said, not giving the qb much help is an old old Rams story.
Yet nobody, not even Null or Boller, threw for 11 of 30 and 4 INTs.
So “no help for the qb” is like I said an old Rams story, but this one was especially bad by the qb on top of it.
And still I am not giving up on Foles. He can do it, we’ve seen it.
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What matter is it the age of the story? It’s still a problem. Who knows what other Ram qbs facing the beating Foles took would do. IMO most of them would have been knocked out of the game in the first half. If your point is “that happens all the time” I disagree .It wasn’t that bad against Seattle or the Cards.
October 13, 2015 at 2:24 pm #32302
rflParticipantMy sense if this.
Foles has a number of the attributes of a good QB. Give him a positive situation in a play and he’ll take advantage enough to be very productive.
Under pressure, however, he’s probably lower tier. He can hurt his team if it gives up pressure. Much more than Sam did.
Where that matters to me is down the road. I feel an urgent need to upgrade our OL and WRs. (And to cut Cook.) I am not as convicted that we desperately need a new QB. This guy is vulnerable, and the overall package needs to be better.
Also, I bet he has some good games against mediocre defenses this year.
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October 13, 2015 at 2:46 pm #32304znModeratorWhat matter is it the age of the story? It’s still a problem.
Well we’re kind of talking past each other. I raised the issue for a completely different reason than you did. I was simply saying that we have seen the issue before and other qbs handled it better.
In terms of how you mean that, you see a continuous line of problems. I don’t. The fact is that the Rams have just had back luck with OL injuries going back probably to 2006 and certainly to 2007. I see nothing there to “blame.” 2007 was 4 coaches, 4 GMs, and 3 owners ago. The only thing continuous in all that is the logo.
In terms of this game, for some reason not everyone is remembering that this newest OL has actually been performing better than people expected, especially in pass pro. GB ambushed them. Now it seems that means different things to different people. To some it means they are bad and the GB game is this big reveal. I don’t take it that way. I assume that a young OL will be up and down and struggle in some games. I don’t take this as anything but a speed bump.
In terms of Foles performing poorly under pressure, I was posting stats about that at the time of the trade. That’s not new either. Heck we saw it happen in 2013 when the Rams played the Eagles.
BUT, at the same time, in 2014, Foles also showed the ability to bounce back in the end and come through with clutch play.
So the way I take all this is this: we knew about Foles, and it’s not all bad (far from it); we knew a young line would struggle. The rest depends on whether people personally take the GB as this big giveaway and as a sign of failure or as the kind of speedbump that was going to happen in this season, particularly early. No one knows the true answer since the true answer is history that has not happened yet, BUT, given that we’re all going with our hunches, my hunch is that the GB game was a speedbump.
October 13, 2015 at 4:03 pm #32309
joemadParticipantYou nailed it RFL.
I seen Foles twice last year with the Eagles. He played well for one half of football vs the Rams when the Rams gift wrapped the first 2 quarters of the the game to the Eagles
I seen Foles play against SF where he stunk badly. Last week in GB he was even worse.
Foles is a guy that doesn’t handle pressure well.
As weak as the NFC is this year especially the West, the Rams have a chance to make the playoffs, but the road will be through GB, and it won’t end well.
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