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September 8, 2017 at 7:40 am #73885
wvParticipantGag me.
September 8, 2017 at 10:37 am #73888
PA RamParticipantShe will never wrap her mind around the fact that she was a terrible candidate, that she carried lots of baggage, that she was not ENTITLED to anything, that Trump could ever possibly beat her. She is simply creating her own reality to explain the unexplainable to her. In that reality Bernie is a villain.
And beyond that yes–I think that the DNC wing is out to destroy any leftist wing of the party. They would rather go down in flames with another pro-oligarch candidate than turn over power to the left wing of the party.
That battle is real, within the party. And so don’t be surprised if Trump wins a second term.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
September 8, 2017 at 2:26 pm #73895wvParticipantShe will never wrap her mind around the fact that she was a terrible candidate, that she carried lots of baggage, that she was not ENTITLED to anything, that Trump could ever possibly beat her. She is simply creating her own reality to explain the unexplainable to her. In that reality Bernie is a villain.
And beyond that yes–I think that the DNC wing is out to destroy any leftist wing of the party. They would rather go down in flames with another pro-oligarch candidate than turn over power to the left wing of the party.
That battle is real, within the party. And so don’t be surprised if Trump wins a second term.
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So will you keep voting for corporate-DNC-Dems when they run against Reps?
Is there a point at which you would start voting Green Party?
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vSeptember 8, 2017 at 8:13 pm #73913
ZooeyModeratorIt is really gag-inducing. She is trying to persuade people that she was a victim of Misogyny and Comey’s timing, and blah, blah, blah. She STILL feels she was ENTITLED to it, and wants everybody to buy her version of the autopsy.
Neither she nor the DNC diagnosed this correctly, and the Democrats (and the country) are going to continue to suffer because of these entitled pricks until enough progressives rise up and steal the reins from them.
September 9, 2017 at 11:32 am #73946PA RamParticipantSo will you keep voting for corporate-DNC-Dems when they run against Reps?
Is there a point at which you would start voting Green Party?
I the Green Party produced a candidate capable of defeating a Trump, I’d vote for them in a heartbeat. For example, if Bernie had run on the Green Ticket I would have voted for him.
On the other hand–if Clinton ran against Trump the next time and the Green Party ran a strong progressive dentist from New Jersey who could get no traction and offer no real shot of winning–I’d vote for Clinton again. I can’t stand her. But I believe Trump is THAT bad. On the other hand if Trump was not really in play in Pennsylvania–sort of like New York–if he had no shot–I may just vote for the dentist to send a message to the democrats. I did not have that luxury last election. And I may not have it the next one.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
September 9, 2017 at 6:13 pm #73972
Billy_TParticipantAgree with PA and Zooey here.
She needs to go away. She was a terrible candidate, ran a terrible campaign, was cold, aloof and entitled in public, and her policy ideas were warmed over centrist mush. She and the Dems lost primarily because of that, and because they abandoned the working class in the early 1970s, choosing instead to battle the GOP for Big Money donors.
They’ve counted on identity politics (rhetoric over substance) to maintain an advantage over the GOP, but with Trump, they found their match with a different kind of identity politics (for white folks), and Trump tapped into economic issues the Dems ignored. Were Trump and the GOP ever, ever going to help the very people who voted for them? Obviously not. It was all snake oil and gussied up hard neoliberalism to the Dems’s soft version. But he talked the talk and his people bought it.
Only way for the Dems to come back is for them to take economic inequality seriously, attack it vigorously and without apology. I don’t see them doing this, unless the party is taken over by the Bernie wing. It looks like Clinton is still trying to prevent that.
September 9, 2017 at 8:17 pm #73977ZooeyModeratorAgree with PA and Zooey here.
She needs to go away. She was a terrible candidate, ran a terrible campaign, was cold, aloof and entitled in public, and her policy ideas were warmed over centrist mush. She and the Dems lost primarily because of that, and because they abandoned the working class in the early 1970s, choosing instead to battle the GOP for Big Money donors.
They’ve counted on identity politics (rhetoric over substance) to maintain an advantage over the GOP, but with Trump, they found their match with a different kind of identity politics (for white folks), and Trump tapped into economic issues the Dems ignored. Were Trump and the GOP ever, ever going to help the very people who voted for them? Obviously not. It was all snake oil and gussied up hard neoliberalism to the Dems’s soft version. But he talked the talk and his people bought it.
Only way for the Dems to come back is for them to take economic inequality seriously, attack it vigorously and without apology. I don’t see them doing this, unless the party is taken over by the Bernie wing. It looks like Clinton is still trying to prevent that.
Yep. Well said.
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