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May 30, 2020 at 10:44 am #115463znModerator
I’m not a doctor but as a reporter I’ve read a lot of autopsy reports. Never one like this that is quick to make assessment that suggesting possibility of drugs in his system before ANY toxicology tests are even done. https://t.co/OLzzn6A9zf
— julie k. brown (@jkbjournalist) May 30, 2020
May 30, 2020 at 2:39 pm #115473InvaderRamModeratorummmm….
i’m speechless. if these cops somehow get away with murder. which i am pretty fearful of right now. well. watch america burn.
May 30, 2020 at 4:24 pm #115475waterfieldParticipantummmm….
i’m speechless. if these cops somehow get away with murder. which i am pretty fearful of right now. well. watch america burn.
don’t forget the Feds can follow up with their own prosecution which can result in life in prison-even though there is no federal statute for murder.
It’s a federal crime when a person who is acting under “under color of any law” (that is, under governmental authority or the pretense of authority) violates another person’s civil rights “willfully” (18 U.S.C. § 242). Police brutality or other misconduct may involve several constitutional rights, including:
the 14th Amendment right not to be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; and
the 4th Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure.
The penalties under 18 U.S.C. § 242 increase when the crime leads to injury or death, or when it involves kidnapping or dangerous weapons.May 30, 2020 at 9:57 pm #115483ZooeyModeratorJune 2, 2020 at 3:28 am #115647znModeratorfrom George Floyd was killed in a homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression, an independent autopsy found
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Ben Crump, an attorney representing Floyd’s family, announced in a Facebook Live broadcast on Monday that an independent autopsy found that Floyd, 46, was killed by asphyxia due to compression of the neck and back.
“We acknowledge that additional medical information including toxicology and further investigation are necessary for a final report,” said Dr. Allecia Wilson, the director of autopsy and forensic services at the University of Michigan. “However, the evidence is consistent with mechanical asphyxia as the cause of death and homicide as the manner of death.”
Antonio Romanucci, another attorney working with the family, said two “physical mechanisms” killed Floyd, calling it “the lowest level of human respect and dignity that any community should ever have to endure.”
‘The ambulance was his hearse’
The weight of the arresting officer Derek Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck – as well as the knees of two other officers who pressed on Floyd’s back – stopped not only “blood flow into his brain, but also airflow into his lungs,” Romanucci said.
“For George Floyd, the ambulance was his hearse,” Crump said. “Beyond question, he would be alive today if not for the pressure applied to his neck by fired officer Derek Chauvin and the strain on his body from the two additional officers kneeing him in his back.”
Dr. Michael Baden, a prominent forensic pathologist, added: “The compressive pressure of the neck and back are not seen at autopsy because the pressure has been released by the time the body comes to the medical examiner’s office. It can only be seen – serious compressive pressure on the neck and back can only be seen while the pressure’s being applied or when, as in this instance, it is captured on video.”
Floyd was arrested on May 25 outside Cup Foods after police officers arrived to investigate reports of a forgery. Surveillance footage obtained by NBC News showed that he was sitting in a parked car with a man and a woman. Officers approached the car and led them out of it. Floyd was handcuffed and led across the street to a police cruiser, out of the frame of the security camera.
The activist Shaun King on Saturday shared a video from another vantage point that appeared to show Floyd struggling with three policemen in the back seat of a squad car while a fourth stood nearby with his hands tucked in his pockets, keeping watch.
After that scuffle, Chauvin pinned Floyd down on the road by his neck. Floyd repeated, “Please, I can’t breathe,” to which Chauvin replied, “Relax.”
The new autopsy contradicts claims from local prosecutors
Baden said Floyd was “motionless” and “lifeless” after about four minutes. An incident report from the Minneapolis Fire Department said that Floyd didn’t respond to chest compressions or electric shock.
“Unfortunately, many police are under the impression if you can talk, that means you’re breathing. That is not true,” Baden said, adding that people like Floyd and Eric Garner should be taken seriously when they say they’re struggling for breath.
These findings contradict a criminal complaint by the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office that said there were “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”
Floyd had “underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease,” the office’s report said, adding that “the combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”
Baden said that, however, based on information provided by the victim’s family, Floyd “had no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death,” adding that he “was in good health.”
New information from the Hennepin County medical examiner both echoes and disputes what Crump shared
A few hours after Crump’s news conference, the Hennepin County medical examiner reiterated Wilson’s finding that Floyd died by homicide and described the cause of death as “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.”
Floyd sustained this injury “while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s),” a press release said. The medical examiner countered Baden’s assertion that Floyd had no preexisting health conditions, listing “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease,” “fentanyl intoxication,” and “recent methamphetamine use.”
Asked by CNN anchor Erin Burnett if the presence of these chemicals in Floyd’s body had any relevance to the case, Romanucci said no. He described the police killing as a “but for” case, meaning Floyd would still be alive “but for” the fact that he was so forcefully subdued by Minneapolis policemen that it prompted him to call out the name of his deceased mother.
All four officers involved in Floyd’s death have been fired, and Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter.
Romanucci said they were all “criminally liable and, without a doubt, civilly responsible.”
“Make no mistake about this: This case is about the Minneapolis Police Department and Derek Chauvin and the shameless standby police officers who were on scene who had every opportunity to stop and prevent a senseless death, a needless one” – but didn’t, he said.
Floyd’s family requested the second, independent autopsy. Crump said that the findings would cause them distress but that it was vital for the pursuit of justice.
He said it was “essential that the truth comes out” about the “exact manner and science as to how George Floyd was killed.”
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Crump used the opportunity to encourage people standing in solidarity with the Floyd family to do so peacefully.
“Had George been alive today and it was some other person, an unarmed, nonthreatening person of color who had been unnecessarily and unjustifiably and senselessly killed by the police,” Crump said, he would have been “praying for peace.”
Crump thanked protesters for pushing for change and said the Floyd family understood the “righteous anger” that’s played out across the United States over the past week. However, he said, “the violence is absolutely unacceptable.”
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