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August 14, 2016 at 1:53 am #50790
znModeratorJared Goff’s NFL debut cut short after hit to non-throwing shoulder
Steve Dilbeck
LOS ANGELES — Jared Goff’s NFL debut was cut a bit short Saturday night, when head coach Jeff Fisher sat him after only two series.
Fisher said he planned to play Goff throughout the third quarter against the Dallas Cowboys in the teams’ preseason opener, but when he learned at the half that the rookie quarterback had a sore non-throwing shoulder after taking a hit in the second quarter, Fisher decided to sit him.
“At halftime, he was getting stiff, and I didn’t want to mess around with it,” Fisher said.
Both Fisher and Goff said the injury was not serious.
“I’m fine,” Goff said. “I’ve played through much worse.”
Goff, the No.1 overall pick in April’s draft, completed just four of nine passes for 38 yards in the Rams’ 28-24 win. Two passes were dropped. He also threw an interception.
Goff was banged up when hit by Dallas linebacker Derek Akunne in his first series.
“He got hit, and the ball floated,” Fisher said. “He understands that.”
Fisher said he expects the rookie to be able to practice this week. The Rams host the Chiefs next Saturday.
“He was fine,” Fisher said. “Nothing was too big for him. He was at ease. It was fun.”
Goff did return for a second series and might have thrown his first touchdown pass, if rookie receiver Pharoh Cooper had not dropped the ball.
“It would have been great, but I have a lot of football ahead of me,” Goff said. “Hopefully next week I can have a little more production.”
August 14, 2016 at 7:37 am #50800znModeratorVID: Every Jared Goff Throw from Week 1 / 2016 NFL Preseason Highlights
August 14, 2016 at 10:22 am #50810znModeratorPFF: HOW NO. 1 OVERALL PICK JARED GOFF PLAYED IN FIRST PRESEASON GAME
No. 1 overall pick Jared Goff took the field for the first time on Saturday
JORDAN PLOCHER
Jared Goff’s first NFL game action came on a sunny Southern California day in front of a huge Coliseum crowd. However, the first overall pick had to wait his turn before seeing the field; Goff isn’t being handed the starting quarterback job in Los Angeles, and he began the preseason opener against the Cowboys as the backup to Case Keenum. Goff came into the game with just under 10 minutes remaining in the second quarter.
Rough start resulting in pass defense, interception
Goff’s first play was a run-pass option that looked similar to some of the plays he ran at Cal, and he handed the ball off. Things then got off to a rocky start, as his first pass attempt was a crossing route to Pharaoh Cooper (South Carolina), but the throw was knocked down by the defensive back. On his second pass attempt, Goff showed the same willingness to stand in the pocket and take a hit that he did in college, ultimately knocked sideways while throwing the ball, which caused the pass to float and be intercepted by the Cowboys. A pass defensed and an interception in his first two NFL preseason passes is not exactly the start that Goff—or the Rams—wanted.Connection with fellow rookie Tyler Higbee evident
Goff’s second drive began with a hitch route on target, but went through the hands of rookie wide receiver Michael Thomas (Southern Miss). On 2nd-and-10, Goff completed a hitch to fellow rookie tight end Tyler Higbee (Western Kentucky) for 7 yards. On third-and-three in shotgun, Goff spotted a blitz and changed the protection, throwing a hitch route for a first down to Higbee, who was split wide and facing man coverage against Cowboys safety J.J. Wilcox.In the next series, on second-and-one, Goff threw a check-down to the running back to pick up the first down, but then something strange happened. With the clock running—a fantastic opportunity to see Goff operate a hurry-up two-minute drill—the Rams became incredibly conservative in their offensive pace, huddled up, and ran the ball on 1st-and-10. On second-and-seven, Goff threw a hitch to Higbee, who was once again split wide—and once again beat Wilcox and forced a missed tackle to pick up a first down.
The Rams then went back to the pass on 1st-and-10, as Goff threw a go-route to Brian Quick deep down the right sideline, but put too much air under it and it landed out of bounds. On 2nd-and-10 Goff, tried to fit a post route to Pharaoh Cooper between two deep safeties, but Wilcox broke on the pass and hit Cooper, dislodging the ball. On 3rd-and-10, the Rams had difficulty picking up a stunt, and Goff was sacked to end the drive.
Will LA move Goff into starting role soon?
Goff was supposed to keep playing into the third quarter, but it appeared the Rams’ coaching staff had a change of heart, leaving the first-rounder with only two drives on the day. It was a rough start for Goff overall, as he was outperformed by the other rookie quarterback in the game, Dallas’ Dak Prescott (Mississippi State). Goff could have used a bit more support from his offensive line, as they surrendered a QB hit in his first series and a sack in his second, both of which led to drive-ending plays. The bright spots in his performance where his velocity, ball placement, and willingness to attack downfield.Goff will continue to grow, but will also need the reps to do it. The big question, then, is when will the Rams move him up the depth chart and into the starting role? There are two sides to this debate; on one, it might be better in the short-term for a rookie quarterback to sit for awhile and learn. On the other side, it’s arguably best to learn while doing in the preseason, and Goff started at Cal as a skinny true freshman who got knocked around a lot on a poor team, so he has already shown that he can take his lumps while learning on the job. Furthermore, the longer Goff remains on the second-team during camp, the longer he will be throwing to—and building a rapport with—second-team wide receivers, and not the starters.
One thing that was obvious during Saturday night’s game is that Goff and Higbee are forming a connection, and that Higbee is also adding an element to the Rams’ offense as a tight end who can split out wide and make drive-extending catches. Hopefully we get to see a bit more of Goff next wee
August 14, 2016 at 10:27 pm #50847znModeratorJared Goff has uneven performance in Rams debut
Chris Wesseling
The Dallas Cowboys welcomed Jared Goff to the NFL on Saturday.
Whereas rookie counterpart Dak Prescott dazzled while operating behind pro football’s dominant offensive line and throwing to a pair of veteran wideouts, Goff struggled with a subpar supporting cast as the Los Angeles Rams’ second-string quarterback.
Entering in the second quarter, Goff was blitzed, hit as he threw and intercepted on his second pass attempt of the game. He settled down from there, but fell victim to a couple of drops. After the game, Rams coach Jeff Fisher explained Goff was feeling sore after taking a hit on his non-throwing shoulder.
“(He) got a little stiff at halftime, decided to hold him out,” Fisher said. “He’ll be fine.”
Goff finished 4 of 9 for 38 yards and the one turnover. His box score would have looked much tidier if fellow rookie Pharoh Cooper had held onto a perfect pass that was jarred loose by safety J.J. Wilcox on the doorstep of the end zone. Goff took a sack on the next play, knocking the Rams out of field-goal range just before halftime.
The draft’s top pick might not be ready to unseat Case Keenum for the Week 1 starting job, but he showed enough in his Los Angeles debut to allay offseasons concerns about his transition to the pro game.
August 16, 2016 at 2:28 am #50924znModerator‘Game is slowing down’ for Jared Goff
Alden Gonzalez
http://www.espn.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/30098/rams-wr-game-is-slowing-down-for-goff
IRVINE, Calif. — The Los Angeles Rams were emphasizing the red zone late Monday afternoon, so Jared Goff lined his offense up at around the 10-yard line and positioned himself under center. Bradley Marquez was in the slot. When Goff dropped back, the second-year wide receiver ran a corner route towards the back of the end zone. And after Goff set his feet, he delivered a perfect ball, just over the reach of two defenders and into Marquez’s hands for a practice touchdown.
“I knew pre-snap that we were going to have a chance to complete that,” Marquez said. “Me and him, we both knew that.”
Marquez has spent most of his offseason working with Goff, beginning during organized team activities from late May until mid-June. In the month that followed, the two remained in Southern California and played catch up to three times a week. And since the start of training camp 17 days ago, Marquez has caught several passes from Goff while running with the second-team offense.
“He’s gotten a lot better,” Marquez said of Goff, the No. 1 overall pick in this year’s draft. “I feel like the game is slowing down for him a little bit.”
Goff returned to the field for the first time since suffering a sore non-throwing shoulder in Saturday’s 28-24 win over the Cowboys and basically navigated through practice without restrictions. Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Goff’s shoulder is “no concern” and felt the rookie quarterback “was fine” in a limited workout.
“This was kind of ease-yourself-back-into-the-weekday,” said Fisher, who will have his players practice in full pads on Tuesday and Wednesday. “But it was good for him to be able to overcome the shoulder soreness, get out there and throw the ball.”
Fisher once again touted the play of his other quarterbacks, who continue to operate under the shadows. He raved about Case Keenum, who would’ve gone 7-for-7 in the exhibition opener if not for a dropped pass by Tavon Austin. He was sure to mention third-string quarterback Sean Mannion, who threw for 147 yards and three touchdowns in the second half. And then he preached patience with his quarterback situation.
“We’ve done this before,” Fisher said. “We have a plan. And the plan basically revolves around being patient. You have to be patient. It’s unfair to Jared, and to Case, and to Sean, to say, ‘All right, here’s the date.’ That’s just not fair.”
Marquez says Goff is “getting better every day” at operating under center, but noted that his biggest improvements have come with the subtleties of relaying plays from the huddle.
“From then to now,” Marquez said, “just with him being comfortable and the confidence he portrays in the huddle, and the confidence to repeat the play, it’s been a big difference.”
Marquez is part of a receiving corps that racked up the fewest yardage in the NFL last season. The group — headlined by Austin and Kenny Britt, with rookies Pharoh Cooper and Tyler Higbee joining the mix — amassed a mere 2,931 yards and hauled in a league-low 11 touchdowns.
On Saturday, only two of the 10 first-half completions — from Keenum and Goff — went to wide receivers.
“We have tremendous talent in the receiving group, from top to bottom,” said Marquez, competing with the likes of Cooper, Brian Quick and others for playing time. “We just need to go out there and we need to perform now, because in past years, our receiving group hasn’t been up to expectations.”
That’s why plays like Monday’s stand out — a beautifully thrown ball by a promising rookie quarterback being counted on to enhance a listless passing offense.
“He can make every throw on the field, regardless of where it is,” Marquez said of Goff. “That is just something I’ve seen over the last few months from him, so it doesn’t really surprise me or surprise anybody else. He’s been doing it, and he’s going to continue to do it.”
August 17, 2016 at 9:02 pm #51042znModeratorAugust 18, 2016 at 3:49 pm #51078znModeratoroff the net from Dick84
to make the transition easier, you can see the Rams adding some read-option elements to make it easier to Goff. Mike Nolan on Sirius radio recently mentioned that is *exactly* what he would do if he had another shot with Alex Smith.
August 18, 2016 at 5:11 pm #51080znModeratorfrom Jared Goff’s progress, Denver D’s role in QB battle and moreSteve Wyche
… a look at Jared Goff’s progress heading into the second game of the preseason …
On the surface, it might seem that Rams quarterback Jared Goff didn’t show much in his team’s 28-24 preseason-opening victory over Dallas, especially since Cowboys rookie QB Dak Prescott, a fourth-round pick, showed out as his team’s starter.
Let’s do everyone a service here and dig a little deeper.
Start with Goff’s second throw of the game (his first was a dropped pass). Goff was drilled by Cowboy’s linebacker Derek Akunne on a blitz, in which Akunne came from Goff’s right, untouched. Goff admitted he didn’t see him, even though Akunne came from his front side. It was a cleverly executed blitz that left Goff exposed and his left (non-throwing) shoulder bruised after getting taken to the ground. On the Rams’ next series, Goff returned with 3:37 remaining before halftime and the ball on his own 13-yard line — not much time to march into scoring position. This is the type of situation in which coaches love to see how young players perform — and if they possess the proper mettle.
Poise, clock management and football IQ all convened. Goff was fully exposed.
Goff’s first pass, a quick out to rookie draft pick Mike Thomas, was dropped. On second down, he connected with rookie tight end Tyler Higbee, who already is Goff’s on-field BFF (and camp roommate). On third-and-3, a 14-yard completion again to Higbee. Goff and the offense were in a groove. The 21-year-old QB later would say his first series was a bit of an eye-opener, but at this point, it felt like he was playing football again.
Later in the drive, Goff completed two more passes — one a 14-yarder to Higbee. Two plays later, he drilled a beautiful pass inside the red zone on a post route to impressive rookie wideout Pharoh Cooper, who couldn’t hang on after taking a nice pop from J.J. Wilcox.
On third-and-10 from the Cowboys’ 37, the drive stalled when Goff was sacked. He knew he was doomed quickly, and wisely took the temporary loss. Other than showing composure and field presence on the drive, Goff also learned something — and we learned something about Goff.
He told me that, during the second drive, the Cowboys showed the same blitz look that they used on the previous series — in which he was sacked. Goff adjusted the protection, checked into a safe play, checked into hot passing routes and got the ball in play.
It might seem simple, but it’s growth. Mental progress is what coaches want to see more than anything right now with Goff, and they’ve steadily seen it over the past few weeks.
I was told by someone with ties to Goff that he works best when he learns his own way and at his own pace, not when things are forced. The Rams have taken this approach and, according to some coaches I have spoken with, he is learning quickly and shaping into the player they hope that he will be.
The Rams publicly are slow-playing Goff’s development and downplaying expectations in the short term. I still believe that he is on track to start Week 1 against the 49ers.
Coach Jeff Fisher said Goff will be getting more reps with the first-team offense this Saturday against Kansas City. That only makes sense. Goff needs work with the crew he’s going to eventually play with. Fisher also got to see first-hand why it is important for the backup QB to get significant reps with starters during the preseason, after watching Dallas’ Prescott complete 10 of his 12 passes for 139 yards and two TDs in the first half against his defense.
Let’s not overblow this. The Rams were playing as basic a defense as they could play, but Prescott was comfortable and in total control with the personnel he’s been working with for weeks — because starter Tony Romo gets days off and projected backup Kellen Moore is out with a fractured ankle.
Prescott looked far more polished than Goff in the opener, but he also was playing with Dez Bryant and the best offensive line in the NFL. Not to take anything away from Prescott because he made a great first impression and eased some concerns about the Cowboys’ backup QB spot. If he follows things up with more impressive play, then Jerry Jones might have some insurance if Romo gets hurt — or at least a developmental heir.
With Goff drafted to be anointed the starter at some point, getting him as much time with the first-team offense as possible is a must. As we get closer to the regular season and the Rams begin to game plan, backup reps shrink.
Speaking of backup reps, Rams second-year quarterback Sean Mannion led the second-half comeback against the Cowboys, completing 18 of 25 passes for 147 yards with three touchdowns and a pick.
Rams coaches speak highly of him, but if they honestly thought that much of him, they would not have given up a boatload of draft picks to select Goff first overall. That said, if Mannion continues to play well, he could draw suitors elsewhere that could bring some compensation in a trade.
If that were to take place, it won’t happen before the 2017 draft period, according to someone with the Rams that I recently spoke with. If someone offers something too good for the Rams to turn down for Mannion, which is highly unlikely, they might reconsider. But if a team needed immediate help, quarterback Case Keenum would seem more likely a trade target.
I couldn’t see the Rams moving Keenum before the 2017 draft period, if at all. Goff is going to go through ups and downs and without a veteran in the quarterback room — and frankly, there isn’t a true veteran leader on the team — Keenum is the type of pro who is needed for guidance and to play if necessary.
August 18, 2016 at 5:11 pm #51081znModeratorfrom Jared Goff’s progress, Denver D’s role in QB battle and moreSteve Wyche
… a look at Jared Goff’s progress heading into the second game of the preseason …
On the surface, it might seem that Rams quarterback Jared Goff didn’t show much in his team’s 28-24 preseason-opening victory over Dallas, especially since Cowboys rookie QB Dak Prescott, a fourth-round pick, showed out as his team’s starter.
Let’s do everyone a service here and dig a little deeper.
Start with Goff’s second throw of the game (his first was a dropped pass). Goff was drilled by Cowboy’s linebacker Derek Akunne on a blitz, in which Akunne came from Goff’s right, untouched. Goff admitted he didn’t see him, even though Akunne came from his front side. It was a cleverly executed blitz that left Goff exposed and his left (non-throwing) shoulder bruised after getting taken to the ground. On the Rams’ next series, Goff returned with 3:37 remaining before halftime and the ball on his own 13-yard line — not much time to march into scoring position. This is the type of situation in which coaches love to see how young players perform — and if they possess the proper mettle.
Poise, clock management and football IQ all convened. Goff was fully exposed.
Goff’s first pass, a quick out to rookie draft pick Mike Thomas, was dropped. On second down, he connected with rookie tight end Tyler Higbee, who already is Goff’s on-field BFF (and camp roommate). On third-and-3, a 14-yard completion again to Higbee. Goff and the offense were in a groove. The 21-year-old QB later would say his first series was a bit of an eye-opener, but at this point, it felt like he was playing football again.
Later in the drive, Goff completed two more passes — one a 14-yarder to Higbee. Two plays later, he drilled a beautiful pass inside the red zone on a post route to impressive rookie wideout Pharoh Cooper, who couldn’t hang on after taking a nice pop from J.J. Wilcox.
On third-and-10 from the Cowboys’ 37, the drive stalled when Goff was sacked. He knew he was doomed quickly, and wisely took the temporary loss. Other than showing composure and field presence on the drive, Goff also learned something — and we learned something about Goff.
He told me that, during the second drive, the Cowboys showed the same blitz look that they used on the previous series — in which he was sacked. Goff adjusted the protection, checked into a safe play, checked into hot passing routes and got the ball in play.
It might seem simple, but it’s growth. Mental progress is what coaches want to see more than anything right now with Goff, and they’ve steadily seen it over the past few weeks.
I was told by someone with ties to Goff that he works best when he learns his own way and at his own pace, not when things are forced. The Rams have taken this approach and, according to some coaches I have spoken with, he is learning quickly and shaping into the player they hope that he will be.
The Rams publicly are slow-playing Goff’s development and downplaying expectations in the short term. I still believe that he is on track to start Week 1 against the 49ers.
Coach Jeff Fisher said Goff will be getting more reps with the first-team offense this Saturday against Kansas City. That only makes sense. Goff needs work with the crew he’s going to eventually play with. Fisher also got to see first-hand why it is important for the backup QB to get significant reps with starters during the preseason, after watching Dallas’ Prescott complete 10 of his 12 passes for 139 yards and two TDs in the first half against his defense.
Let’s not overblow this. The Rams were playing as basic a defense as they could play, but Prescott was comfortable and in total control with the personnel he’s been working with for weeks — because starter Tony Romo gets days off and projected backup Kellen Moore is out with a fractured ankle.
Prescott looked far more polished than Goff in the opener, but he also was playing with Dez Bryant and the best offensive line in the NFL. Not to take anything away from Prescott because he made a great first impression and eased some concerns about the Cowboys’ backup QB spot. If he follows things up with more impressive play, then Jerry Jones might have some insurance if Romo gets hurt — or at least a developmental heir.
With Goff drafted to be anointed the starter at some point, getting him as much time with the first-team offense as possible is a must. As we get closer to the regular season and the Rams begin to game plan, backup reps shrink.
Speaking of backup reps, Rams second-year quarterback Sean Mannion led the second-half comeback against the Cowboys, completing 18 of 25 passes for 147 yards with three touchdowns and a pick.
Rams coaches speak highly of him, but if they honestly thought that much of him, they would not have given up a boatload of draft picks to select Goff first overall. That said, if Mannion continues to play well, he could draw suitors elsewhere that could bring some compensation in a trade.
If that were to take place, it won’t happen before the 2017 draft period, according to someone with the Rams that I recently spoke with. If someone offers something too good for the Rams to turn down for Mannion, which is highly unlikely, they might reconsider. But if a team needed immediate help, quarterback Case Keenum would seem more likely a trade target.
I couldn’t see the Rams moving Keenum before the 2017 draft period, if at all. Goff is going to go through ups and downs and without a veteran in the quarterback room — and frankly, there isn’t a true veteran leader on the team — Keenum is the type of pro who is needed for guidance and to play if necessary.
August 21, 2016 at 9:05 am #51286znModeratorKeenum has beaten Goff for No. 1; Rams need to make it official
By Vincent Bonsignore, Los Angeles Daily News
I don’t know about everyone else, but I’ve seen enough already to make the call.
Take a seat, Jared Goff. It’s over there on the Rams’ sideline.
Someday the keys to the kingdom will be bestowed on you. The honor will have been earned rather than yielded.
But that day doesn’t appear to be coming anytime soon.
Certainly not by the time the Rams open the regular season against the San Francisco 49ers on Sept. 12.
And if Case Keenum keeps driving the Rams to touchdowns like he has the first two preseason games, the apprenticeship might be a prolonged one.
The Rams are Case Keenum’s team. For the present and immediate future.
And it’s probably about time the Rams made that call official.
No need to wait.
No reason to delay the inevitable.
Enough with the suspense. Just do it already.
It’s been clear through the first three weeks of training camp that Keenum is the superior quarterback to Goff. And he’s only solidified that belief with crisp performances against the Dallas Cowboys and Kansas City Chiefs in two preseason games.
Keenum has looked poised and in command while Goff is playing like a quarterback still very much a work in progress.
That’s not an unusual look for a rookie quarterback, although a bit disappointing for a first overall pick and a player who draft observers billed as the most NFL-ready quarterback available last April.
The last five quarterbacks taken first overall started for their teams from Day One – Matthew Stafford, Sam Bradford, Andrew Luck, Cam Newton and Jameis Winston.
It doesn’t appear Goff will extend that streak.
Hardly the end of the world, but certainly a bit disconcerting.
Part of the Rams’ rationale for taking Goff ahead of the higher ceiling of North Dakota’s Carson Wentz was Goff would see the field sooner.
That might still end up the case as Wentz nurses a broken rib and develops behind Sam Bradford in Philadelphia.
But it’s obvious that Goff has a ways to go before he can be trusted as a starting NFL quarterback. And with the Rams needing to take a decisive first step in their new home in Los Angeles – and we’re talking about winning games here, folks – Keenum is the safer bet against the 49ers to open the season and against the Seattle Seahawks six days later at the Coliseum.
History will reveal one day whether the Rams would have been better off betting on the upside of Wentz rather than the readiness of Goff. Now that it appears they have to wait on Goff just as they might have on Wentz, the rationale seems moot.
But that’s a discussion for another day.
Goff has shown nothing to suggest he won’t be a quarterback worthy of the first overall pick and the six draft picks the Rams traded to get him. And as his 8 of 12 passing for 82 yards and a touchdown on Saturday clearly revealed, the necessary tools are there to work with.
He just hasn’t shown enough to justify the Rams pushing him ahead of Keenum and giving him the job to start the season.
Especially during early work against NFL roster quality players.
After throwing an interception and taking a sack over his only two series against the Cowboys last week – and going 4 for 9 for 38 yards and a 17.5 quarterback rating – Goff coughed the ball up on a fumble in his first series against the Chiefs.
He later mishandled a snap that led to a three-yard loss, then followed that up with a delay of game penalty when he couldn’t get the offense lined up correctly.
“It’s something to learn from,” Rams head coach Jeff Fisher said about Goff.
It wasn’t all bad. Goff helped lead the Rams on a five play, 67-yard touchdown drive in the fourth quarter to put the Rams ahead 21-20. The go-ahead score came on Goff’s 11-yard pass to Malcolm Brown, who helped his quarterback out by hauling in a pass thrown over the wrong shoulder and carrying it into the end zone.
Still, the strong finish was a step in the right direction for Goff. Something to build on.
It’s just not enough to overtake Keenum.
The fifth-year quarterback out of Houston has a way of growing on you. He doesn’t have many stand-out qualities, and he’s certainly more of a grinder than a star. But there is value in the good, sound football he plays and the way the Rams seem to rally behind him.
Keenum backed up a solid performance against the Cowboys with another crisp outing against the Chiefs while leading the Rams on two long touchdown drives against Kansas City’s first-team defense.
Keenum finished 4 of 5 for 53 yards and a touchdown on Saturday – the touchdown coming on an 11-yard pass to Pharoh Cooper – and his stats would have been better had Kenny Britt not been manhandled by Chiefs cornerback Ron Parker on long pass attempt from Keenum.
Parker was called for pass interference, resulting in a 41-yard pick up. The throw by Keenum was on the money regardless.
In two games, Keenum is 10 of 13 for 111 yards and a touchdown.
He hasn’t turned the ball over once, and in three trips to the Red Zone this preseason he’s cashed in on three touchdowns.
With the Rams struggling so mightily over the years putting points on the board, getting 21 points on three Red Zone visits can’t be overlooked.
It’s a quality you need from your starting quarterback.
Some day soon the Rams will be Goff’s team.
But for now, the job belongs to Keenum.
August 21, 2016 at 9:50 am #51300znModeratorEvery Jared Goff Throw | 2016 NFL Preseason Highlights
August 21, 2016 at 5:30 pm #51338znModeratorfrom Sam Bradford will start on Thursday
Gregg Rosenthal
August 23, 2010link: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/23/sam-bradford-will-start-on-thursday/
In two preseason appearances, Bradford has completed 12 of 27 passes for 81 yards with no touchdowns and no interceptions.
August 22, 2016 at 11:56 am #51378znModeratorPeter King
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/08/22/nfl-preseason-denver-broncos-qbs-la-rams-fans-training-camps
4. Spent time with Jeff Fisher on Saturday after the game at the Coliseum. No question in my mind that he wants Jared Goff to sit and learn for a while.
August 23, 2016 at 6:17 pm #51478znModeratorGoff reportedly not even 2nd on Rams QB depth chart…
Jeff Smith
Jared Goff reportedly isn’t even second on the Rams' QB depth chart
While the original argument in Los Angeles Rams camp was whether it would be veteran quarterback Case Keenum or rookie Jared Goff under center in Week 1, it seems that the argument may have shifted just a bit.
After a poor, and then mediocre showing in his first two preseason games, it’s become pretty apparent that Keenum is indeed the team’s current starter. Unfortunately for Goff, it seems that things haven’t gone nearly as planned, as Jason Cole of Bleacher Report stated that the former Cal quarterback is sitting as No. 3 on the depth chart behind Sean Mannion as well.
Jared Goff is currently not the Rams’ starting quarterback and may not be the No. 2 according to sources, I talked to. Two coaches admitted Goff’s talent is obvious and he will eventually be the starter. But he’s also not ready to take over. Veteran Case Keenum is still running the L.A. offense. Goff is often being outperformed by second-year pro Sean Mannion in practice. Goff was the No. 1 overall pick in April’s draft but there’s no guarantee he’ll be the No. 1 quarterback any time soon.
Obviously, this shows two different things. The first is that the Rams really have no interest in rushing Goff along before he’s ready. The second is that Mannion, who completed 18-of-25 passes for 147 yards with three touchdown passes and one interception in his preseason debut, has taken strides forward after his first NFL season.
Goff will still be the focal point throughout the rest of Rams training camp, as well as their final two preseason games, but fans may want to prepare themselves to not see him on the field for a regular season game anytime soon.[
August 23, 2016 at 6:22 pm #51480znModeratorit seems that things haven’t gone nearly as planned, as Jason Cole of Bleacher Report stated that the former Cal quarterback is sitting as No. 3 on the depth chart behind Sean Mannion as well.
Jason Cole, audio:
https://amp.twimg.com/v/919e7815-f55e-4f81-a859-64d8875194ed
August 23, 2016 at 6:38 pm #51483
nittany ramModeratorGoff will still be the focal point throughout the rest of Rams training camp, as well as their final two preseason games, but fans may want to prepare themselves to not see him on the field for a regular season game anytime soon.
<Shrug> Ok.
In essence there’s nothing new here. Goff is playing like it’s his first camp (guess what? it is) and the Rams aren’t rushing him along. Keenum’s play has given them the luxury of not having to. The author has created a clickbait headline with the suggestion that Goff isn’t even 2nd on the depth chart. I don’t know if that’s true or not but it doesn’t matter either way.
It seems like every day a reporter tries to create drama by ‘breaking the story’ that Goff likely won’t be the starter on opening day, and that 3 weeks into his first NFL training camp he doesn’t look like the second coming of Joe Montana. Like that’s news to anybody. Most Rams fans I know are aware of it and are ok with it.
And I’m betting Montana didn’t look like Montana 3 weeks into his first NFL camp either.
August 23, 2016 at 7:33 pm #51487
ZooeyModeratorAnd I’m betting Montana didn’t look like Montana 3 weeks into his first NFL camp either.
I’m betting he did. It’s just nobody was comparing anybody to Montana yet.
August 23, 2016 at 8:31 pm #51494znModeratoroff the net from leoram
I just watched a segment where Cowherd reacts to news that Goff is the third best QB on the Ram depth chart. He reminds everyone that Freshmen QB’s are rarely expected to lead their teams the first year in HS and College ball. He says that Prescott was behind the best OLine in football and only saw two exotic blitzes and threw a pick that was called back on one of them. His point is that Dak’s success means nothing and Goff’s struggles are to be expected. He continued by saying that Goff will win in time based on his thinking pre and post snap as opposed to athleticism and compared him more to Brady and Luck as opposed to how others rate rookie QB’s like RGIII, Vick, and Vince Young based on athleticism alone. Cowherd is preaching patience and that in time Goff will be a good QB.
August 23, 2016 at 8:49 pm #51495
NERamParticipantfrom leoram
I just watched a segment where Cowherd reacts to news that Goff is the third best QB on the Ram depth chart. He reminds everyone that Freshmen QB’s are rarely expected to lead their teams the first year in HS and College ball. He says that Prescott was behind the best OLine in football and only saw two exotic blitzes and threw a pick that was called back on one of them. His point is that Dak’s success means nothing and Goff’s struggles are to be expected. He continued by saying that Goff will win in time based on his thinking pre and post snap as opposed to athleticism and compared him more to Brady and Luck as opposed to how others rate rookie QB’s like RGIII, Vick, and Vince Young based on athleticism alone. Cowherd is preaching patience and that in time Goff will be a good QB.
Well put. 👍
August 23, 2016 at 9:56 pm #51498nittany ramModeratorI’m betting he did. It’s just nobody was comparing anybody to Montana yet.
Wrong. It was widely reported that during week three of his first training camp Montana looked like George Blanda during week two of his 25th training camp.
August 24, 2016 at 12:52 am #51504ZooeyModeratorI’m betting he did. It’s just nobody was comparing anybody to Montana yet.
Wrong. It was widely reported that during week three of his first training camp Montana looked like George Blanda during week two of his 25th training camp.
That is utter nonsense.
Montana never kicked an extra point in his life.
August 25, 2016 at 6:51 pm #51603znModeratorSome more bits. The first is from the 8/23 camp reports, and I thought I would double down on it and put it here. The second is a Cosell podcast with a bit of his reaction to seeing Goff in the preseason.
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BIT ONE
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from: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/camp-report-822/edit/
Goff is getting faster and faster in learning but would make mistakes if he starts 1st game. I’d like to think they wait to week 3 or 4…before Goff starts. It’s not a bad thing cuz you can see the passing talent…it flashes and stands out. Once Goff gets the offense under his skin….freakin LOOKOUT…he’s a dart thrower!! And he likes to throw downfield – which I delight in!! He’s gonna be murder with TEs runnin seam patterns against Cover 2 defenses…lordy! (Mannion nailed those also to Higbee or Hemingway!) When Goff holds the ball an extra beat…it’s confusion…he’s still learning…but he’s coming along and works the huddle just fine.
at the 8/22 practice I went to I didn’t think Goff was skittish at all. Even when Goff looked bad in the PS series where he fumbled, was sacked, etc The kid is resilient and that comes across. he’ll make his mistakes, but Goff is coming on. Once he knows where he’s going with the ball…there’s no other QB on our team that throws like he does. imo
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BIT TWO
Cosell on the rookie qbs including a bit on Goff. They discuss Goff starting at 12:25 in. They start with Goff, drop him for a sec, and come back to him. It’s brief.
Go to the link and scroll down, it’s the first podcast on the page.
Link: http://www.rosstucker.com/podcasts/ross-tucker-football-podcast/
Pic of the page:
August 25, 2016 at 8:44 pm #51611
InvaderRamModeratorwhat they fail to mention is how many qbs look like world beaters in the preseason only to flop during the regular season.
although i have to say i love dak prescott. i wanted/hoped the rams would draft him before the big trade up.
August 25, 2016 at 10:54 pm #51612
AgamemnonParticipantHe was my plan B, if I missed out on Lynch at 15.
AgamemnonAugust 26, 2016 at 5:44 am #51620znModeratormax sez:
Waldman on Prescott (mostly) and Goff … go to the 40 min mark on this link….
August 27, 2016 at 6:14 am #51679znModeratorJared Goff looking for better start against rigid Broncos’ defense
IRVINE >> It’s another first for Rams rookie quarterback Jared Goff, who will play his first NFL preseason road game at Denver on Saturday. Goff hopes for another first: a successful first drive.
“I’d love to go out there and score a touchdown,’’ Goff said after Thursday’s practice at UC Irvine. “That’s what we’re supposed to do.’’
Thus far, Goff hasn’t come close. On his initial series two weeks ago against Dallas, Goff was hit and threw an interception on his third play. Last Saturday against Kansas City, Goff tripped over a teammate’s foot and fumbled on his second play.
So the bar is low for improvement, but there’s reason to believe Goff could be ready to take a step forward Saturday, even though he’s facing the defending Super Bowl champion Broncos and one of the NFL’s stoutest defenses.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher said Thursday that, once again, Case Keenum will start at quarterback. The plan is for Keenum to play three or four series, then hand things over to Goff, who likely will play with the first-team offensive line then carry things into the second half with the second team.
That’s when Goff made strides last week. After a sloppy start, Goff looked sharp during the Rams’ game-winning fourth-quarter touchdown drive, when he completed all three attempts and marched the team 67 yards.
“I felt more comfortable toward the end,” Goff said. “I want to build on that in this game and continue to feel as comfortable as I can and get as ready as I can.”
Time is running short in Goff’s bid to supplant Keenum as the Rams’ starting quarterback.
By all indications, the Rams are comfortable going into their Sept. 12 season opener at San Francisco with Keenum as their starter. Fisher and Rams general manager Les Snead consistently have said they will play Goff only when he is ready. Camp practices and preseason games have provided mixed results.
For instance, on Thursday, Goff’s early work included a bad interception by cornerback Lamarcus Joyner, but also a nice touchdown pass to fellow rookie Mike Thomas.
Goff was directly asked Thursday if he would be disappointed if he didn’t start the season opener.
“It’s not up to me,” Goff said. “It’s something that I’d love to do, but it’s not my decision. That’s what they pay the coaches and what they’re here for. I’m just trying to get better every day.”
In preseason work, Goff has completed 12 of 21 attempts for 120 yards, one touchdown and one interception.
There’s a good chance that on Saturday, Goff, the top pick in this year’s draft, will play during the same part of the game as Denver quarterback Paxton Lynch, whom the Broncos selected at No. 26.
Some draft pundits believed the Rams, who initially held the No. 15 pick, might select Lynch, but they made a blockbuster trade with Tennessee to move up to No. 1.
Lynch is in contention to start for the Broncos. In two preseason appearances, he has completed 21 of 33 attempts for 187 yards and two touchdowns. This will be the first time Goff is measured, on the field, against one of his contemporaries.
“He’s very competitive,” Fisher said of Goff. “I’ve probably never met a more competitive person. Even though he’s got a quiet demeanor, he’s competitive.”
August 28, 2016 at 9:52 am #51766znModeratoroff the net from Florida_Ram
Goff’s overall stats last night and that dropped pick six to Darien Stewart, are what will be mostly talked about by his critics but my eyes seen the gap between him and Keenum get much closer.
It’s easy to point out his flaws but its just as easy for anyone that knows what to look at with QB play that Goff is calming down and those flashes he’s been showing are going to win him the starting job sooner than many think.
I noticed unlike in the first 2 preseason games, he’s now showing glimpses of moving his feet while his eyes are scanning down field. His comfort level taking snaps under center looks to be vastly improving and not a major concern anymore.
The intangibles that made him so good at California and worth trading up for are beginning to translate to the NFL and he’s much closer to my eyes than what his critics will write about.
Keenum is the smart & safe choice to start at Frisco in 14 days but how much closer will that gap be after Goff gets another tuneup game on Thursday at Minnesota, along with 2 more weeks of practice and film study?
I wish I was wrong but like everyone else, I expect Fisher to play it safe and start Keenum for at least the first 2 games but there is no way I believe Fisher is going to let Goff hold the clipboard for much longer than a few games unless Keenum is tearing up the league with his passing stats.
I’m underwhelmed by how the offensive staff (Weinke & Boras) have prepared the young man as I expected him to be further along but If I had to bet everything I own, I would say Goff starts a minimum of 12 games in 2016. I’m still every bit as happy as I was from the moment Snead pulled off the blockbuster trade to get him.
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