Goff: the October thread

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Zooey wrote:

zn wrote:

Steve

Goff analysis: one guy’s view

That was a good read. And I buy it.

I think Goff is on a trajectory to be the greatest Rams QB ever. This guy is good. This guy is special. Even if he doesn’t know where the sun sets. This is a Montana kind of guy. He may be good at nothing else his entire life, but he is good at football.

Some follow-up.

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Steve

He has an incredible delivery….i played baseball a bit, so I always watch timing and release and the like. Goff is feathery with throws, but he has some more velocity this year—and each throw has more consistent velocity than last year, without losing any accuracy.

I will take Goff of 2018-2022 over Brady, that is for sure—now, and in Brady’s previous 10 years. IN one year, he will be better than Brees….just wait.

Manning’s 7th, 8th and 9th years were awesome…and Goff will be there in a few years….he ain’t far away now. Manning was never tough, nor sooo pin-pointaccurate on 90% of his throws like Goff. I said Goff was on a Brees trajectory…that is conservative.

Heresy to say Goff is WAY ahead of Brees, Brady and Manning ever were in their first 6 years, but he easily is way ahead of their 3rd years….way ahead! And, I don’t mean just stats.

Regarding O line play: No one is touching Goff, almost ever, I don’t recall this in NFL history game after game— a QB standing there so unmolested as Goff—not Marino, who only was sacked 16 times a year for many years(or so). I watch 4-7 games a week and I am missing something about Ryan not being hit? IDK about that. I love seeing Matty getting hit!! When does Goff even get hit? He even said this himself.

Wentz was abused Sunday, tough guy…sorry to say, he is a going to be great. As great as Goff, no way. However, I do have to change a bit after watching the Eagles-Vikings game: Wentz looks more accurate than last year…though still can’t touch Goff.

Goff might be a top 3 QB this year…..certainly stat-wise he attain this status. Love what he is doing, but I get a ‘feeling’ (yes, a feeeeeling) that if you take away the superior O line play his play will drop precipitiously, while Manning in his 10th-15th years or Kurt Warner in 2008-2009 still had gaudy stats with very mediocre lines.

GOff has a good arm….but, can’t throw off his back foot..that comes from body strength and torque. I don’t think Brees can, either….This is just a reality. He has NOWHERE near the strength of Mahomes.

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Jared Goff has been 💰from a clean pocket since week nine of 2017. Throwing from a clean pocket is one of PFF's most stable metrics in predicting future success in QBs

Overall Grade – 94.0 (1st)
Adj. Comp. % – 83.6 (1st)
YPA – 9.5 (1st)

— Mike Cahill (@PFF_Cahill) October 12, 2018

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Wow, this one says some really important things. He’s behind only Brees.

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from PFF, Ranking all 32 starting quarterbacks in the NFL through Week 5

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-starting-quarterbacks-in-the-nfl-through-week-5

2. JARED GOFF, LOS ANGELES RAMS
PFF Overall Grade: 91.9

After taking a significant step forward in 2017 following a rough rookie campaign, Goff has raised his game to a new level in Year 2 with Sean McVay. While the former Cal standout undeniably benefits from McVay’s offensive genius (Goff has the second-highest percentage of open throws so far), Goff has more than held his own when asked to make difficult throws. Goff’s 13 big-time throws are tied for third-most, and he’s been our highest-graded passer when throwing into tight coverage.

[InvaderRam]

it’s hard to say. things are muddled with all the new rules.

but i can safely say of the rams qbs i’ve seen. he’s better than bradford.

same with banks….

i can’t say for sure, but i think he’s better than bulger. i know he hasn’t won a playoff game, but it’s only a matter of time.

trent green never had enough time with the rams to qualify.

that comes down to warner. with the rams he only had three strong years. but those were three glorious years. he hasn’t quite gotten there, and there’s no guarantee he will.

as for the nfl. too early to tell. ask again after year 5.

• This reply was modified 6 years, 2 months ago by InvaderRam.

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InvaderRam wrote:

it’s hard to say. things are muddled with all the new rules.

but i can safely say of the rams qbs i’ve seen. he’s better than bradford.

same with banks….

i can’t say for sure, but i think he’s better than bulger. i know he hasn’t won a playoff game, but it’s only a matter of time.

trent green never had enough time with the rams to qualify.

that comes down to warner. with the rams he only had three strong years. but those were three glorious years. he hasn’t quite gotten there, and there’s no guarantee he will.

as for the nfl. too early to tell. ask again after year 5.

There’s Everett too.

I guess the big list of qualifiers (since 78) is

Warner
Everett
Bulger
Ferragamo
Bradford
(Green)

[InvaderRam]

zn wrote:

There’s Everett too.

yeah, he and ferragamo were before my time.

my fandom started with the tony banks era. chris miller technically.

[InvaderRam]

Heresy to say Goff is WAY ahead of Brees, Brady and Manning ever were in their first 6 years, but he easily is way ahead of their 3rd years….way ahead! And, I don’t mean just stats.

the thing i can’t stop thinking about is goff has barely scratched the surface of his potential. barely.

i think he’s got another 3 years before he really starts hitting his stride – possibly more. 3 years of learning the offense. adjusting to the speed of the game. reading defenses. refining his mechanics. 3 years of defenses probing his game – trying to find weaknesses – and him adjusting to that.

hopefully, he plays a long time, and we can track his progress over a decade. possibly even 2 decades. kinda crazy to think about.

hopefully. hopefully, it goes well.

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zn wrote:

I have watched between 4-7 full NFL games 52 weeks a year the last 7 years. Usually, 1980-1988 and current day stuff. I have studied football quite a bit, too.
And so I say:
Goff is soooo special. Rare special; HOWEVER, a good part of his success is related to the incredible O line play..

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I wonder why he concentrated on 80-88 ?

Anyway, I agree on what we DO know about Goff. Accuracy, etc.

But there’s still things we DONT know about Goff. How well can he play under playoff pressure, in the clutch, etc.

I said the same thing about Kurt, until he went thru the playoffs.

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wv wrote:

But there’s still things we DONT know about Goff. How well can he play under playoff pressure, in the clutch, etc.

I said the same thing about Kurt, until he went thru the playoffs.

Why don’t you just move in with Jared Goff if you hate the North Koreans so much.

And someone bring me my coffee.

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[InvaderRam]

wv wrote:

But there’s still things we DONT know about Goff. How well can he play under playoff pressure, in the clutch, etc.

yeah.

and i’d also just add longevity. can he do it for five years? ten years? fifteen?

those are the two things left.

warner got the first part down.

he couldn’t get the second part down with the rams although obviously he came back later with another team.

i’m hoping goff can stay a ram awhile.

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from The Eight Best Players of the 2018 NFL Season So Far
At this point in the schedule, the MVP race is far too close to call. So instead of trying to predict who’ll wind up taking home the hardware, we’re celebrating the players who have defined the first six weeks of the season.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/10/18/17994272/best-nfl-players-2018-todd-gurley-drew-brees-adam-thielen-philip-rivers

Jared Goff, QB, Rams

The Case: For anyone wondering why the Rams are still undefeated and clearly the best team in football, maybe it’s because their running back and quarterback both have a viable claim as the league’s best player.

Goff’s improvement from his rookie year to last season’s sophomore campaign was the largest jump any player in the league made over that period, and he’s continued his ascent in his third season. While Goff was merely seen as a capable point man for McVay’s offense last year, he’s spent the first six weeks of the 2018 season making throws only a few quarterbacks in the league can make.

His Week 4 performance against the Vikings was the most impressive game I’ve ever witnessed in person from an NFL quarterback. Goff threw five touchdown passes, and each one was more gorgeous than the last. It was like watching a ridiculous Steph Curry game where he’s pulling up from near half-court and casually dropping it through the net.

The rim was 10 feet in diameter for Goff against Minnesota, and after his second touchdown throw to Cooper Kupp that night — a throw ripped into the back corner of the end zone while on the move — he couldn’t help but smile. Goff admitted to me after the game that he might have gotten lucky with that one; I don’t think he’s giving himself enough credit.

From the 2017 season to now, not much has changed about the Rams’ offensive personnel. This unit has taken another step because Goff looks like a different quarterback. McVay will do plenty to scheme receivers open, but if Goff continues to make throws like he has for much of this season, there’s no limit to how great the Rams can be.

The Clip:

Goff’s touchdown pass to Kupp is the only reason this bomb to Cooks won’t be remembered as the prettiest throw from his evisceration of the Vikings. Plays like this one are what differentiate 2018 Goff from last year’s version. Design has some role in allowing this touchdown to happen — by holding the safety with Kupp’s deep in route, McVay turns the play into a foot race between Cooks and cornerback Trae Waynes.

But even color commentator Troy Aikman admitted that he didn’t think Goff had the arm to get the ball there. This pass travels 60 yards in the air, which would be impressive in its own right. But dropping it right into the receiver’s arms makes it truly special.

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From 10/18:

Shanahan [talks about] what’s contributed to quarterback Jared Goff’s improvement since last season. “You can tell he is a lot more comfortable. He knows where everyone is. He’s extremely accurate. He’s extremely poised. He’s very balanced in the pocket — nothing seems to get him rattled. When people are open or even if they’re not, he puts the ball where he needs to,” Shanahan said. “He’s playing as good as anyone this year from what I’ve seen.”

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from stats inc:

Jared Goff is the sixth quarterback in the Super Bowl era to start a season 6-0 while averaging over 300 pass yards per game (321.3). The others were Tom Brady in 2015, Peyton Manning in 2013, Aaron Rodgers in 2011, Kurt Warner in 2000 and Joe Montana in 1990.

[Zooey]

zn wrote:

from stats inc:

Jared Goff is the sixth quarterback in the Super Bowl era to start a season 6-0 while averaging over 300 pass yards per game (321.3). The others were Tom Brady in 2015, Peyton Manning in 2013, Aaron Rodgers in 2011, Kurt Warner in 2000 and Joe Montana in 1990.

Only one of those guys did it by his 24th birthday.

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Max

I listened to Dan Orlovsky talk about Goff yesterday. He said media gets all caught up in the combine measurements, size, strength, speed, athleticism, and all those funky tests. Then he said a lot of these QBs look great in the drills, they can throw the ball a mile, but they can’t play QB in the NFL. He said Goff is the opposite. You look at him, and physically there’s not much to look at, but he can make amazingly accurate throws from crazy positions. He talked about that TD to Kupp where Goff’s body was set to throw the ball left and he threads the needle to the right side of the end zone. Maybe 5 guys in the world can make that throw.

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Jared Goff has now played 28 regular season games. Let's take a look at how they look:

1-14
Grade – 55.9
Big Time Throws – 14
Turnover Worthy Plays – 17
Adj. Compl. % – 67.3

15-28
Grade – 87.2
Big Time Throws – 27
Turnover Worthy Plays – 11
Adj. Compl. % – 77.5

— Mike Cahill (@PFF_Cahill) October 19, 2018

[InvaderRam]

Zooey wrote:

Only one of those guys did it by his 24th birthday.

part of it is just playing in a different era of football.

but shoot. he makes some really pretty throws. like special throws doesn’t he?

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zn wrote:

Max

I listened to Dan Orlovsky talk about Goff yesterday. He said media gets all caught up in the combine measurements, size, strength, speed, athleticism, and all those funky tests. Then he said a lot of these QBs look great in the drills, they can throw the ball a mile, but they can’t play QB in the NFL. He said Goff is the opposite. You look at him, and physically there’s not much to look at, but he can make amazingly accurate throws from crazy positions. He talked about that TD to Kupp where Goff’s body was set to throw the ball left and he threads the needle to the right side of the end zone. Maybe 5 guys in the world can make that throw.

Follow-up from Max

Orlowsky interview with Robert Mays on The Ringer. He really gets Goff. He said the best thing about Goff is he’s unflappable. No matter what happens he’s got no memory. He’ll throw a few balls and you’ll say huh? Then he’ll make some amazing throws right after that. Orlowsky said that’s not easy, he himself could never do it. It’s very hard not to let stuff affect you. Goff just doesn’t care what anyone thinks about him. Perfect, especially for LA. He thinks Goff will be a superstar in LA. He said right now Goff is very very very good.

Stop short of calling him great and I think that’s very fair. Goff isn’t great yet right now, IMO.

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