Givens traded to Baltimore for future pick…

7th rounder in 2017 according to CBS.

With Brian Quick back, Chris Givens trade makes sense for all sides

Nick Wagoner

http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/22076/with-brian-quick-back-chris-givens-trade-makes-sense-for-all-sides

EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams traded wide receiver Chris Givens to the Baltimore Ravens for a seventh-round draft pick in 2017, ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reported Saturday morning.

It was far from an earth-shattering move considering Givens was the Rams’ fourth receiver and had only played 42 snaps in the first three weeks. The Rams have an open roster spot that will likely be filled Monday when running back Trey Watts is eligible to return from a four-game suspension. It’s expected that he will land back on the 53-man roster at that time.

But it was a logical move for the Rams, Givens and the Ravens. Here’s why:

Why it makes sense for the Rams: Coach Jeff Fisher made it clear Friday that receiver Brian Quick would be active Sunday in Arizona for the first time this season. With Quick up, it was unlikely the Rams would keep six wideouts on the game-day roster. And the assumption is that Quick’s role will only increase moving forward. Since Stedman Bailey and Bradley Marquez are core special teams players, that made Givens the odd man out. The Rams simply don’t use a lot of three-plus receiver sets and Givens was viewed as more of a deep threat and occasional gadget player. Since Givens is in his contract year, it made sense now to get something for him while they still could.

Why it makes sense for Givens: Put simply, this is an important year for Givens, who is still seeking the consistency to prove he’s worthy of his next contract. It’s also been a difficult year for him as he has grieved the loss of a close friend and again found himself mostly out of the week-to-week game plan save for the occasional touch here and there. In the Rams’ offense, Givens was mostly lost in the shuffle despite flashing big-play ability. But now he gets a fresh start in a place that could utilize his greatest skill: deep speed. With Joe Flacco at quarterback for the Ravens, Givens should get his share of deep shots and get plenty of playing time to prove he belongs.

Why it makes sense for the Ravens: Baltimore is banged up at wide receiver with rookie Breshad Perriman (knee), Steve Smith (back) and Michael Campanaro (back) all dealing with varying degrees of injury. Campanaro has already landed on injured reserve and Perriman and Smith are essentially week-to-week propositions. Givens offers an immediate influx of speed and fits in well with Flacco’s ability to throw it deep. The Ravens let Torrey Smith go in free agency, and though Givens is by no means at Torrey Smith’s level in terms of production, he offers a similar skill set when it comes to going deep. With 12 games to go in the season, Givens should get plenty of chances to show the Ravens what he can do.

Fisher is an idiot when it comes to wr’s. Maybe wait until Quick actually plays a game or two. A two years into the future 7th on the youngest team in the league stacked with 1s and 2s doesn’t bode well for future Rams teams though it does strengthen his legacy of failure.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Fisher is an idiot when it comes to wr’s. Maybe wait until Quick actually plays a game or two. A two years into the future 7th on the youngest team in the league stacked with 1s and 2s doesn’t bode well for future Rams teams though it does strengthen his legacy of failure.

Givens is in his last year. He hasn’t done anything to earn a second contract here. So Givens is gone after this season anyway.

So far this season: 1 Rec 7 yds.

Quick is better.

Lets go back to before football started this year. Givins was on the books for 1.5M, Pead for almost 1M. They both were scheduled to be URFAs next year. They both are the 5th player on the depth chart at their position. In a way I am slightly surprised that they lasted this long. We get a future 7th rounder. That isn’t much, but it is something.

That is enough to work on signing a future FA.

Givins is probably the roster space for Watts after the Arizona game.

cgsuddeath wrote:

zn wrote:

Which is why they signed a WR to the practice squad, apparently.

I don’t know Zack.People are becoming increasingly frustrated with our offense.I am reading more and more that people want Fisher fired.What’s your take this?

I’m not Zack, obviously, but here are my thoughts:

1. Fisher isn’t going anywhere this year or next year, so there’s no point stressing out over it. I think Fisher could be on the hot seat next season (zn disagrees with me, or at least did). By that I mean I think he is safe through the length of his contract for certain, but a failure NEXT season might mean Stan will evaluate him. I don’t think it’s likely he is gone after next season, either, though. First of all, I am pretty confident the Rams will be in the playoffs next year, and this issue will recede to the standard issue 10% or so of fans who complain about the coach regardless unless he has wins the Super Bowl. Secondly, Stan has a track record of sticking with a course of action both in his sports teams, and in his business developments. He makes a plan, and he keeps pounding away until he wins.

2. This team was terrible when he took over in 2012. Awful. Scrubs. I think there are 7 guys left on the roster from when he took over. Meaning he had to go get 50 guys. That takes time. Furthermore, there have been a lot of substantial injuries, and turnovers in his coordinators. So his “failure” is excusable so far, though I agree it’s time to start winning. But the Rams are STILL the youngest team in the NFL, especially the OL which is about as green as a line can be. New QB, new OC, new OL = takes some time to gel. So that’s the “excuse” side of it.

3. I think there is a lot of talent on this team now, and signs they are ripening even though there are still setbacks. I think this team IS ripening, and I think after the bye, this team is going to start fulfilling its promise. It may not be enough to make the playoffs this year, but I AM optimistic about next year.

Just look at the Martz, Linehan, Spags drafts below from 2000 – 2011, and see what Fisher/Snead have done from 2012 on.

2014 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 2 Greg Robinson T Auburn
1 13 Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh
2 41 Lamarcus Joyner CB Florida State
3 75 Tre Mason RB Auburn
4 110 Maurice Alexander SS Utah State
6 188 E.J. Gaines DB Missouri
6 214 Garrett Gilbert QB Southern Methodist
7 226 Mitchell Van Dyk T Portland State
7 241 Christian Bryant DB Ohio State
7 249 Michael Sam DE Missouri
7 250 Demetrius Rhaney C Tennessee State

2013 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 8 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
1 30 Alec Ogletree OLB Georgia
3 71 T.J. McDonald SS USC
3 92 Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia
4 113 Barrett Jones OG Alabama
5 149 Brandon McGee CB Miami (Fla.)
5 160 Zac Stacy RB Vanderbilt

2012 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 14 Michael Brockers DT LSU
2 33 Brian Quick WR Appalachian State
2 39 Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
2 50 Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati
3 65 Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
4 96 Chris Givens WR Wake Forest
5 150 Rokevious Watkins G South Carolina
6 171 Greg Zuerlein K Missouri Western State
7 209 Aaron Brown LB Hawaii
7 252 Daryl Richardson RB Abilene Christian

2011 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 14 Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
2 47 Lance Kendricks TE Wisconsin
3 78 Austin Pettis WR Boise State
4 112 Greg Salas WR Hawaii
5 158 Jermale Hines DB Ohio State
7 216 Mikail Baker DB Baylor
7 228 Jabara Williams LB Stephen F. Austin St.
7 229 Jonathan Nelson DB Oklahoma

2010 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 1 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma
2 33 Rodger Saffold T Indiana
3 65 Jerome Murphy DB South Florida
4 99 Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati
5 132 Michael Hoomanawanui TE Illinois
5 149 Hall Davis DE Louisiana-Lafayette
6 170 Fendi Onobun TE Houston
6 189 Eugene Sims DE West Texas A&M
7 211 Marquis Johnson DB Alabama
7 226 George Selvie DE South Florida
7 254 Josh Hull LB Penn State

2009 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 2 Jason Smith T Baylor
2 35 James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State
3 66 Bradley Fletcher DB Iowa
4 103 Darell Scott DT Clemson
5 160 Brooks Foster WR North Carolina
6 196 Keith Null QB West Texas A&M
7 211 Chris Ogbonnaya RB Texas

2008 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 2 Chris Long DE Virginia
2 33 Donnie Avery WR Houston
3 65 John Greco T Toledo
4 101 Justin King CB Penn State
4 128 Keenan Burton WR Kentucky
5 157 Roy Schuening G Oregon State
7 228 Chris Chamberlain LB Tulsa
7 252 David Vobora LB Idaho

2007 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 Adam Carriker NT Nebraska
2 52 Brian Leonard RB Rutgers
3 84 Jonathan Wade CB Tennessee
5 139 Dustin Fry C Clemson
5 154 Clifton Ryan DT Michigan State
6 190 Ken Shackleford T Georgia
7 248 Keith Jackson DT Arkansas
7 249 Derek Stanley WR Wis.-Whitewater

2006 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 15 Tye Hill CB Clemson
2 46 Joe Klopfenstein TE Colorado
3 68 Claude Wroten DT Louisiana State
3 77 Jon Alston LB Stanford
3 93 Dominique Byrd TE USC
4 113 Victor Adeyanju DE Indiana
5 144 Marques Hagans WR Virginia
7 221 Tim McGarigle LB Northwestern
7 242 Mark Setterstrom G Minnesota
7 243 Tony Palmer G Missouri

2005 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 19 Alex Barron T Florida State
2 50 Ronald Bartell CB Howard
3 66 O.J. Atogwe DB Stanford
3 81 Richie Incognito C Nebraska
4 117 Jerome Carter DB Florida State
4 134 Claude Terrell G New Mexico
5 144 Jerome Collins TE Notre Dame
6 192 Dante Ridgeway WR Ball State
6 210 Reggie Hodges P Ball State
7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick QB Harvard
7 251 Madison Hedgecock RB North Carolina

2004 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State
3 91 Anthony Hargrove DE Georgia Tech
4 130 Brandon Chillar OLB UCLA
5 158 Jason Shivers SAF Arizona State
6 201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State
7 237 Erik Jensen TE Iowa
7 238 Larry Turner C Eastern Kentucky

2003 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
2 43 Pisa Tinoisamoa OLB Hawaii
3 74 Kevin Curtis WR Utah State
4 106 Shaun McDonald WR Arizona State
4 107 DeJuan Groce CB Nebraska
5 148 Dan Curley TE Eastern Washington
5 170 Shane Walton CB Notre Dame
5 172 Kevin Garrett CB Southern Methodist
6 184 Scott Tercero G California
7 251 Scott Shanle LB Nebraska
7 254 Richard Angulo TE Western New Mexico

2002 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Robert Thomas OLB UCLA
2 64 Travis Fisher CB Central Florida
3 84 Lamar Gordon RB North Dakota State
3 95 Eric Crouch WR Nebraska
4 130 Travis Scott G Arizona State
5 167 Courtland Bullard LB Ohio State
6 205 Steve Bellisari DB Ohio State
7 243 Chris Massey C Marshall

2001 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 12 Damione Lewis DT Miami (Fla.)
1 20 Adam Archuleta SS Arizona State
1 29 Ryan Pickett DT Ohio State
2 42 Tommy Polley OLB Florida State
3 83 Brian Allen LB Florida State
4 116 Milton Wynn WR Washington State
4 129 Brandon Manumaleuna TE Arizona
5 145 Jerametrius Butler CB Kansas State
6 197 Francis St. Paul — Northern Arizona

2000 – ST. LOUIS RAMS
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 31 Trung Canidate RB Arizona
2 62 Jacoby Shepherd DB Oklahoma State
3 94 John St. Clair C Virginia
4 104 Kaulana Noa T Hawaii
5 139 Brian Young DE Texas-El Paso
6 198 Matt Bowen DB Iowa
7 220 Andrew Kline G San Diego State

Rams Trade Givens to Ravens

Posted 3 hours ago

Myles Simmons Rams Insider @MylesASimmons

The Rams have made another roster move this week, trading wide receiver Chris Givens to the Ravens for a conditional draft pick.

A former fourth-round pick in the 2012 draft, Givens was one of the Rams’ leading receivers through his first two years in the league. But production tailed off last year, with the wideout making only 11 receptions for 159 yards and a touchdown. Through three contests this year, Givens had only one receptions for seven yards and a 24-yard end around against the Steelers last week.

St. Louis now has a roster spot open, which may or may not be filled for this week’s contest as the Rams must get down to their 46-man gameday roster.

http://www.stlouisrams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Rams-Trade-Givens-to-Ravens/b5d00840-4319-49b8-ad4e-b1d0e04df0e1

cgsuddeath wrote:

I am reading more and more that people want Fisher fired.What’s your take this?

In my mind? That kind of fan reaction mood? I have never had much interest in it. I like talking to individuals. I think group movements are just as often wrong as right. I was a critic of Martz very early on, when it wasn’t popular. I agreed with the general view that Linehan was a bust. For years, criticism of JZ was met with hostile responses…until the tide turned. Then being critical of JZ was not as dangerous to your posting health. I defended Vermeil after 98. Looking back I think Spags had all the flaws of a first-time coach, but then I never thought 2011 was on him…and I was in the minority on that.

I think Fisher will start winning, at least that’s how it looks to me right now, and I mean for consecutive seasons. IMO when that happens, the consensus will shift back his direction.

Eternal Ramnation wrote:

Quick is certainly better in this offense , a great blocker, should really help the struggling outside zone run scheme but they have an open roster spot and going up against the “no fly zone” Givens could’ve been a benefit running 9’s Givens lack of production wasn’t his fault. They just didn’t target him much , his career stats are close to double those of Quick’s if you are basing earning a contract on production. I can be happy for Givens knowing he’ll have Flacco’s cannon getting him the ball in the deep game he has been so effective in.

Yeah, it’s true to say he wasn’t targeted much, but after four years, you kind of have to think he wasn’t targeted much because he wasn’t open much. QBs will gladly throw to WRs who are open.

I think he will be better with Flacco – and because there isn’t much anyone else to throw to there – and I wish him well. But I don’t think he got screwed with the Rams. He’s basically a deep threat, and when defenses took the deep routes away from him, he didn’t get the ball much.